Pat White

[FlaccosFlock]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='164229' date='Mar 4 2009, 08:48 PM']folks, white is a better QB than many of you are giving him credit for. he's fairly accurate and has a pretty solid arm. pat's a smart guy and knows how to read a defense. IMO, if pat played for a different school, he would have run much less and passed much more, thus, improving his game.

i honestly see pat as an early 3rd round pick for a team that already has a dependable QB, but might be getting a bit long in the tooth.

i used to have a lesser opinion of Pat, but he changed my mind at the senior bowl. he played well enough for me to go back and look at the tape. i liked what i saw.[/quote]

I agree with you on White and I liked the way he looked at the combine too. I thought he did a better job then Sanchez in the passing drills.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='FlaccosFlock' post='164250' date='Mar 4 2009, 09:21 PM']I agree with you on White and I liked the way he looked at the combine too. I thought he did a better job then Stafford in the passing drills.[/quote]

Andre Smith did a better job in the passing drills than Stafford too. Stafford didn't throw at the combine man.

[FlaccosFlock]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' post='164316' date='Mar 4 2009, 11:17 PM']Andre Smith did a better job in the passing drills than Stafford too. Stafford didn't throw at the combine man. [/quote]

Sorry I was in a rush. I meant to put Sanchez. lol

[wspencer]

[quote name='rayrayven' post='163408' date='Mar 4 2009, 06:00 AM']Pat White isn't most durable guy around. He has bouts with the dropsies too.[/quote]

i didn't quarterbacks could get a case of the "dropsies?"

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='163300' date='Mar 3 2009, 11:06 PM']With a wide reciever class so deep this year, why would we ever try and develop someone like Pat White? Troy Smith is just as athletic and runs our wildcat, so we don't need him for trick plays either. Most importantly, he said he would love to play for the steelers, so we definetely have to stay away now.[/quote]


to be fair, troy smith was/is a browns fan

[MKdave]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='164229' date='Mar 5 2009, 01:48 AM']folks, white is a better QB than many of you are giving him credit for. he's fairly accurate and has a pretty solid arm. pat's a smart guy and knows how to read a defense. IMO, if pat played for a different school, he would have run much less and passed much more, thus, improving his game.

i honestly see pat as an early 3rd round pick for a team that already has a dependable QB, but might be getting a bit long in the tooth.

i used to have a lesser opinion of Pat, but he changed my mind at the senior bowl. he played well enough for me to go back and look at the tape. i liked what i saw.[/quote]


[quote name='Moderator9' post='164833' date='Mar 5 2009, 09:32 PM']i didn't quarterbacks could get a case of the "dropsies?"[/quote]
These were basically the 2 things I was about to say.
I think it should also be noted how determined Pat White was to be viewed and drafted as a quarterback. That show's alot of confidence in his abilities, which is one of THE most important things for a quarterback or any player.

[bauer77]

i read in a draft book that he is switching to WR anyway

[wspencer]

what draft book is that? because everything he's doing shows that he only wants to play QB. i've read experts say he SHOULD switch to WR....but nothing saying he WILL

[MKdave]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='167834' date='Mar 13 2009, 04:42 PM']what draft book is that? because everything he's doing shows that he only wants to play QB. i've read experts say he SHOULD switch to WR....but nothing saying he WILL[/quote]

Supposedly at his pro day he said that he would catch passes and field punts only if it was requested, and he didn't do any of that, presumably because it was not requested of him.
But there are some conflicting reports surrounding the story.

[wspencer]

dave, trust me when i say....that is NOT how it went down.

from someone who was there, who doesn't work for a big media chain...

[url="http://www.draftbreakdown.com/pro_days_2009.html"]http://www.draftbreakdown.com/pro_days_2009.html[/url]

[Reddawn36]

i kind of feel for the kid, the only reason people want to see him is as a WR or KR/PR but he wants to be seen as a QB, not saying that what i read was right, but i do feel for the kid.... personally i think a good fit for him would be the eagles, gives him a chance to learn under mcnabb for a year or two, than mcnabb's contracts up and he takes the starting job over..... honestly after the last game between ravens and eagles.... the kevin kolb experiment is over

[SuRihtanil]

Pat White isn't a Troy Smith or a Cordel Stewart, White is more of a young Donovan Mcnabb... White holds the most rushing yards ever by a NCAA QB. That's no joke and he plays for WV, whom doesn't have the greatest O line guarding him, he also plays def heavy rush stoping def being from the east coast. White can pass better the Smith or Stewart and he can run like Mcgahee and is tons better at making a play outta nothing. White isn't some 2nd rate QB that is a wasted draft spot... Look at Tom Brady who everything thought was a bust but turned out to be one of the best QB in NFL history or the so called Ryan Leaf who was suppose to be better then Manning. I say Ravens should use there 2nd round pick to pick up white on a 3-4 year deal and see what happens, let face it they need a sit in QB because Smith sucks, and white would mix it up enough to keep def guessing... I like he is a strong 2nd round draft pick and Ravens are silly not to pick him up.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' post='169150' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:22 PM']Pat White isn't a Troy Smith or a Cordel Stewart, White is more of a young Donovan Mcnabb... White holds the most rushing yards ever by a NCAA QB. That's no joke and he plays for WV, whom doesn't have the greatest O line guarding him, he also plays def heavy rush stoping def being from the east coast. White can pass better the Smith or Stewart and he can run like Mcgahee and is tons better at making a play outta nothing. White isn't some 2nd rate QB that is a wasted draft spot... Look at Tom Brady who everything thought was a bust but turned out to be one of the best QB in NFL history or the so called Ryan Leaf who was suppose to be better then Manning. I say Ravens should use there 2nd round pick to pick up white on a 3-4 year deal and see what happens, let face it they need a sit in QB because Smith sucks, and white would mix it up enough to keep def guessing... I like he is a strong 2nd round draft pick and Ravens are silly not to pick him up. [/quote]


don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but it won't happen, for first time in like... ever we have a GOOD QB (or so we hope) he won't go to us, why would we even bother, this is flacco's 2nd year and smiths 3rd, why throw in another one that will retire about same time as other two, in 5 or 6 years down the road this would be viable

[SuRihtanil]

What happens if Flacco hits the injury chart for the whole season... Do we really want to leave it on the shoulders of a 3rd rate QB which is Smith? Smith doesn't play for a reason he played what last year 3 times for a couple plays this past season? What happened to the Pats last year? luckily enough they had a decent back up QB to step in for Brady or there Season woulda been a failure. Ravens needs a stand in QB to help mix things up and sorry but Smith is and was a huge bust and is nowhere near being in Whites range, I say pick up white in the 2nd round and release Smith... I don't think it will happen but its something I would like to see just because Flacco looked good last year doesn't mean he will be better this coming year. He needs a back up and sorry Smith just isn't it, he needs White.

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' post='169173' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:41 PM']What happens if Flacco hits the injury chart for the whole season... Do we really want to leave it on the shoulders of a 3rd rate QB which is Smith? Smith doesn't play for a reason he played what last year 3 times for a couple plays this past season? What happened to the Pats last year? luckily enough they had a decent back up QB to step in for Brady or there Season woulda been a failure. Ravens needs a stand in QB to help mix things up and sorry but Smith is and was a huge bust and is nowhere near being in Whites range, I say pick up white in the 2nd round and release Smith... I don't think it will happen but its something I would like to see just because Flacco looked good last year doesn't mean he will be better this coming year. He needs a back up and sorry Smith just isn't it, he needs White. [/quote]

YOUR'RE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE

Everything you mentioned was based on un-educated opinions.

Flacco started off terrible he himself cost us some games. BUT he was a GREAT rookie, Which we expect bigger things out of him in the coming yrs.

Troy was a decent sophmore but got unfortunatly ill and that is the [b]ONLY[/b] reason Troy didn't play.

Pat hasn't played a down yet he hasn't won a Heisman or been to a national championship. Pat White is good
the only thing he has on Troy is speed.

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' post='169185' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:54 PM']YOUR'RE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE

Everything you mentioned was based on un-educated opinions.

Flacco started off terrible he himself cost us some games. BUT he was a GREAT rookie, Which we expect bigger things out of him in the coming yrs.

Troy was a decent sophmore but got unfortunatly ill and that is the [b]ONLY[/b] reason Troy didn't play.

Pat hasn't played a down yet he hasn't won a Heisman or been to a national championship. Pat White is good
the only thing he has on Troy is speed.[/quote]

So mine is based on un-educated opinions, I never knew an opinion had to be educated hence why its an opinion but anyhow. You just basicly repeated what I just said. White is a great QB and noone is taking him in the first round so being 2nd round and being as noone wants him he won't hurt our salary cap anymore then Smith and White is a better QB then Smith. I my self watched every game Pat White played last year can you say the same? He is a good all around QB and won't cost near as much as Flacco he would make the pefect wildcat form QB and back up to Flacco. Sometimes in games you need to stick your back up QB in the mix things up and go over plays with your starter, Raven don't have this luxury because Smith is a risk... Think what you will but Ravens picking up White in the 2nd or 3rd (maybe) and droping Smith wouldn't be a bad move.

[wspencer]

i think some of your are ill-informed on smith.

smith had a pretty solid offensive line. in fact, there are 2 pretty highly ranked G prospects going into this draft that were a part of that line. Insaner and Stanchek.

white does throw the ball well, but i wouldn't compare him to mcnabb. he's not as physical. he's more like dennis dixon in my eyes, with a better arm. there's a lot of talk that if he doesn't get to play QB in the NFL, he'll go play baseball. white is too small, and not just height, to play QB. he's rail thin. i think he's bulked up to a whopping 202 by his pro-day.

i'd be very surprised if any NFL team spent a 2nd round pick on him, that didn't plan on using him as a WR or another skill position other than QB

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' post='169204' date='Mar 16 2009, 03:32 PM']So mine is based on un-educated opinions, I never knew an opinion had to be educated hence why its an opinion but anyhow. You just basicly repeated what I just said. White is a great QB and noone is taking him in the first round so being 2nd round and being as noone wants him he won't hurt our salary cap anymore then Smith and White is a better QB then Smith. I my self watched every game Pat White played last year can you say the same? He is a good all around QB and won't cost near as much as Flacco he would make the pefect wildcat form QB and back up to Flacco. Sometimes in games you need to stick your back up QB in the mix things up and go over plays with your starter, Raven don't have this luxury because Smith is a risk... Think what you will but Ravens picking up White in the 2nd or 3rd (maybe) and droping Smith wouldn't be a bad move.[/quote]

Ok.. I didn't say what you said I only agreed with Pat being good that was abot the only thing we said in common.

An uneducated opinion is saying " I think sprite is nasty" having never tasted sprite or just saying somethig totally idiotic like Maryland is not a good basketball team when they are clearly in the NCAA Tourney. Whaich is similar to what you said, because Troy didn't play because he was extreemly sick.

What type of risk is Troy exactly and can 5th round pick be labled a bust?

Plus the wildcat is with a running standing in the qb position not a actual qb.

Droping Smith if you mean cut him im sure would be a cap hit since he is still under original contract thus hurting the Ravens

If you mean droping him to 3rd string and putting a "rookie in as the 2nd string qb" well... I'd be speachless if you meant that.

[wspencer]

yeah, dropping troy....who knows the system and has actual NFL experience (not to mention that he is a QB only) for a rookie that is more of an athlete than anything is not the best idea

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' post='169173' date='Mar 16 2009, 02:41 PM']What happens if Flacco hits the injury chart for the whole season... Do we really want to leave it on the shoulders of a 3rd rate QB which is Smith? Smith doesn't play for a reason he played what last year 3 times for a couple plays this past season? What happened to the Pats last year? luckily enough they had a decent back up QB to step in for Brady or there Season woulda been a failure. Ravens needs a stand in QB to help mix things up and sorry but Smith is and was a huge bust and is nowhere near being in Whites range, I say pick up white in the 2nd round and release Smith... I don't think it will happen but its something I would like to see just because Flacco looked good last year doesn't mean he will be better this coming year. He needs a back up and sorry Smith just isn't it, he needs White. [/quote]

i wouldn't go and say Troy Smith was a HUGE bust, after all he was a 5th rounder

[quote name='Moderator9' post='169281' date='Mar 16 2009, 06:07 PM']yeah, dropping troy....who knows the system and has actual NFL experience (not to mention that he is a QB only) for a rookie that is more of an athlete than anything is not the best idea[/quote]

agreed

[ChiseBack(CB)]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='169281' date='Mar 17 2009, 08:07 AM']yeah, dropping troy....who knows the system and has actual NFL experience (not to mention that he is a QB only) for a rookie that is more of an athlete than anything is not the best idea[/quote]Also you would have to be insane to spend a 2nd rounder on an experiment QB when you already have a young rookie with a lot of potential and a backup who has shown he can come in and contribute. We have too many needs to be drafting another QB anywhere before the 5th.

Quite frankly Pat White doesn't have the mental and emotional strength to play QB.

[Numatic]

our needs are dwindeling it looks like its just gona be a WR and if Pat White can play that then why not. I dont think he wants to though and he is not a 2nd round pick

[wspencer]

that's exactly it. why bring in a guy to play WR who doesn't want to? he's shown that. if he doesn't want to now, why would he want to when it's being forced on him? i dont' see it happening.

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='ChiseBack(CB)' post='169341' date='Mar 16 2009, 08:57 PM']Also you would have to be insane to spend a 2nd rounder on an experiment QB when you already have a young rookie with a lot of potential and a backup who has shown he can come in and contribute. We have too many needs to be drafting another QB anywhere before the 5th.

Quite frankly Pat White doesn't have the mental and emotional strength to play QB.[/quote]


EMOTIONAL!??? How you figure that?

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='169222' date='Mar 16 2009, 03:56 PM']i think some of your are ill-informed on smith.

smith had a pretty solid offensive line. in fact, there are 2 pretty highly ranked G prospects going into this draft that were a part of that line. Insaner and Stanchek.

white does throw the ball well, but i wouldn't compare him to mcnabb. he's not as physical. he's more like dennis dixon in my eyes, with a better arm. there's a lot of talk that if he doesn't get to play QB in the NFL, he'll go play baseball. white is too small, and not just height, to play QB. he's rail thin. i think he's bulked up to a whopping 202 by his pro-day.

i'd be very surprised if any NFL team spent a 2nd round pick on him, that didn't plan on using him as a WR or another skill position other than QB[/quote]

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Is that pyhsical enough for you? White is young and he is 6ft and 192lbs I mean thats the avg QB... He could tach on 10lbs ease and put him up to the 200lbs mark 6ft and 200lbs is a norm QB size in the NFL. Look at Joe Montana when he was drafted he was 6'2 195lbs, Michael Vick is what 6ft 210lbs... Pat White has size thats no issue, and he can fit well in the wild cat form, he can play WV or do trick plays well... I think he would be nice asset if we could get him in the 3rd round thats alll i'll say about him.

[wspencer]

Vick: 6'0 215

Montana: 6'2" 205

Troy Smith: 6'0" 215

Drew Brees: 6'0" 209

White came into the combine at 6'0" 197

a lot of this has to do with overall BUILD too. look at Brees and Troy Smith. they're thick. they've got muscle mass. pat is still built like a high school kid.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='169222' date='Mar 16 2009, 03:56 PM']i think some of your are ill-informed on smith.

smith had a pretty solid offensive line. in fact, there are 2 pretty highly ranked G prospects going into this draft that were a part of that line. [b]Insaner [/b]and Stanchek.[/quote]
That could be a good name for a jersey....

[MKdave]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' post='169878' date='Mar 18 2009, 06:38 AM']Is that pyhsical enough for you? White is young and he is 6ft and 192lbs I mean thats the avg QB... He could tach on 10lbs ease and put him up to the 200lbs mark 6ft and 200lbs is a norm QB size in the NFL. Look at Joe Montana when he was drafted he was 6'2 195lbs, Michael Vick is what 6ft 210lbs... Pat White has size thats no issue, and he can fit well in the wild cat form, he can play WV or do trick plays well... I think he would be nice asset if we could get him in the 3rd round thats alll i'll say about him.[/quote]

6'0" and 200 lbs is NOT the average size for a QB, it's very very undersized. QBs prototypically are 6'3", 225lbs. Somewhere in that region. Remember that he's going to have 300 pounders pummeling into him, you have to have muscle mass to cope with that kind of beating, and I'm not sure White has it yet.

[wspencer]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='170022' date='Mar 18 2009, 12:43 PM']That could be a good name for a jersey....[/quote]

woops! i was actually typing too quick. it's Isdaner not insaner.

[jezzy]

i say trde smith to the jets n take him look at his track record hes a winner and im willing to bet hes better then troy smith and prob more agile i wouldnt mind having pat hes shown potential at the combine when i watched him workout on nfl network