Johnathan Vilma

[Lets_Go_Joe]

I've seen him mentioned a couple of times, but it seems like he could play in our system, and come cheaper then Ray and Bart. Hes only 26 years old, and had 132 tackles last year.

I really am hoping the FO is looking at this guy now that we seem to be losing some guys. I hope we could Re-sign Scott, because Suggs, Scott, Vilma and Johnson would be an outstanding LB corp.

I was just wondering why he hasn't been even mentioned on ESPN or NFL net

[Bullrush]

He's got a bum knee and struggled in NY's 3-4 defense as an inside linebacker.

[GermanRavensFan]

He would clearly be an option if Ray and Bart would be gone. We should sign a LB then.

[FlaccoFlicker]

we are talking about him just in the wrong thread

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' post='158910' date='Feb 27 2009, 11:46 AM']we are talking about him just in the wrong thread [/quote]
Sorry, haven't been following the "Rumor Scott to Jets" thread.

But I'm talking about media outlets, its like hes not a good player or something? confusing

[Pääjärvi]

He's definitely under the radar , hopefully we get him if we lose both Scott and Lewis

[FabFabian]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='158895' date='Feb 27 2009, 11:41 AM']I've seen him mentioned a couple of times, but it seems like he could play in our system, and come cheaper then Ray and Bart. Hes only 26 years old, and had 132 tackles last year.

I really am hoping the FO is looking at this guy now that we seem to be losing some guys. I hope we could Re-sign Scott, because Suggs, Scott, Vilma and Johnson would be an outstanding LB corp.

I was just wondering why he hasn't been even mentioned on ESPN or NFL net[/quote]

we are not gonna even bother with this man. tho i think he would be great
but he plays in a 4-3
we are gonna stick with 3-4

[btully27]

Love Vilma/ another backer from Miami U and would be a great addithion to our D considering Ray & Bart are gone then are D still would loook pretty good.Besides i think we will change toa majority 4-3 D to compensate for losing our probowl linebackers.



DE:Via FA or Draft
DT:Haloti Ngata
DT:Kelly Gregg
DE:Trevor Pryce
LOLB:JJ
MLB:VILMA
ROLB:T SIZZLE
CB:Dominik Foxworth
SS:Landry
FS:REED
CB:Rolle or Washington

[Lets_Go_Joe]

yeah, same. I wouldn't be against going to a 4-3. The hybrid is basically a 4-3 with suggs rushing 1/2 the time or more. I think we could get a decent deal on a DE somewhere out there to fill the pass rushing end bill.

[RavensIQ]

Derrick Brooks could be a 1-2 year stop gap if Ray or Bart Leaves. Allow Gooden/Barnes/McClain a chance to get better b4 they are forced into a starting role. Vilma would be an instant replacement for Bart if he left. He's faster and just as good against the run. Don't buy into all that 4-3 3-4 non-sense. If you're a linebacker in the National Football League you have the talent and physical tools to play in whatever scheme. Vilma can adjust.

[Ed_Reed20]

Vilma struggled mightily in the 3-4. His game is based on speed and running sideline-to-sideline. I honestly like the 4-3 more but I don't know if the team will switch back to it.

As for Derrick Brooks, I've heard he is considered a two-down Cover-2 LB now because of his declining speed and quickness.

[Canes21]

vilma can play in the 3-4 on our team. when he was on the jets he had dewayne robertson at NT who currently doesnt have a job and other D-lineman who couldnt play, not the ones currently on the team. i think hed be fine with us.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Canes21' post='159893' date='Feb 27 2009, 04:08 PM']vilma can play in the 3-4 on our team. when he was on the jets he had dewayne robertson at NT who currently doesnt have a job and other D-lineman who couldnt play, not the ones currently on the team. i think hed be fine with us.[/quote]

Exactly! We have Ngata, Ba BaBannan Ba Ba BaBannan, Edwards, Gregg, McKinney, ect..to eat up lineman and allow Vilma to get beasty on the field with his speed. Those of you who are unsure, do not kid yourself and think for one second Vilma could not be a vital asset to our team.

He can't play the 3-4 yet he was defensive rookie of the year? AND made it to the Pro Bowl while playing with the Jets??

[sysniper]

ya but for atleast the first 2 years Vilma played 4-3 and then Mangini came in and switched to 3-4

[RavensIQ]

And Mangina was also fired...

[travis]

he is a good player he has just not been on a good defensive team

[Ed_Reed20]

I agree that Vilma has never had the talent around him he would have if he came to Baltimore but just because he has two great d-lineman in front of him doesn't mean he will kept clean. Look at the Giants game. I know few teams have a line and FB like the Giants but both Ray and Bart got plastered that game and there were other games I saw in which Ray and Bart had to fight through blocks to make tackles. Vilma hasn't shown he can do that consistently.

The Ravens need to be looking at Frantz Joseph of FAU.

[travis]

i always felt that he would be a better out side line backer cause he was never as physical as he should be in the middle

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='160023' date='Feb 27 2009, 04:35 PM']I agree that Vilma has never had the talent around him he would have if he came to Baltimore but just because he has two great d-lineman in front of him doesn't mean he will kept clean. Look at the Giants game. I know few teams have a line and FB like the Giants but both Ray and Bart got plastered that game and there were other games I saw in which Ray and Bart had to fight through blocks to make tackles. Vilma hasn't shown he can do that consistently.

The Ravens need to be looking at Frantz Joseph of FAU.[/quote]

You can't be serious that this FAU kid would be better then Vilma? Maybe 3 years down the road, but I highly HIGHLY doubt he would be better now

[Lets_Go_Joe]

Vilma has been re-signed for 5 yrs 34 million dollars by the Saints, 17 million guaranteed

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='160101' date='Feb 27 2009, 05:05 PM']You can't be serious that this FAU kid would be better then Vilma? Maybe 3 years down the road, but I highly HIGHLY doubt he would be better now[/quote]

I never said Joseph was better than Vilma. Vilma has proven himself to be one of the best It's a mute point right now though because Vilma has just been re-signed by the Saints.

[bigZ2222]

hes is more then capable of filling barts shoes whats everyone think

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='bigZ2222' post='161074' date='Feb 28 2009, 09:59 AM']hes is more then capable of filling barts shoes whats everyone think[/quote]

Bart played the wil linebacker and dropped into coverage A LOT. Julius Peppers is a defensive end who puts his hand in the dirt and rushes the QB. Not the same thing. If Peppers goes to a 3-4 team he will stay at DE or move to OLB where he can rush the passer, not ILB. Bart is replaceable, just not by peppers.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' post='161079' date='Feb 28 2009, 10:02 AM']Bart played the wil linebacker and dropped into coverage A LOT. Julius Peppers is a defensive end who puts his hand in the dirt and rushes the QB. Not the same thing. If Peppers goes to a 3-4 team he will stay at DE or move to OLB where he can rush the passer, not ILB. Bart is replaceable, just not by peppers.[/quote]
yeah youre right but.... we could just as easily move JJ inside alongside Ray, and have Peppers opposite Suggs.. how scary does that sound?

[codizzle]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='161296' date='Feb 28 2009, 01:05 PM']yeah youre right but.... we could just as easily move JJ inside alongside Ray, and have Peppers opposite Suggs.. how scary does that sound?[/quote]
not very.... i dont think peppers would be as productive as a olb.. hes never played it. and personally i dont think hes worth the money at all

[mhead66]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='161296' date='Feb 28 2009, 02:05 PM']yeah youre right but.... we could just as easily move JJ inside alongside Ray, and have Peppers opposite Suggs.. how scary does that sound?[/quote]

Peppers is Carolina's franchise player. It would take 2 First round picks to get him. Also, he made $14 million last year, and wants a raise...

He's good, but that's a HUGE price to pay.

[flynismo]

[quote name='mhead66' post='161302' date='Feb 28 2009, 02:08 PM']Peppers is Carolina's franchise player. It would take 2 First round picks to get him. Also, he made $14 million last year, and wants a raise...

He's good, but that's a HUGE price to pay.[/quote]

Not if we trade for him; we could get him for just one if both parties agreed. The salary is what would be the killer. He'd have to be willing to take a lot less than that.

[mhead66]

[quote name='flynismo' post='161312' date='Feb 28 2009, 02:20 PM'][b]Not if we trade for him[/b]; we could get him for just one if both parties agreed. The salary is what would be the killer. He'd have to be willing to take a lot less than that.[/quote]

True...

After the Haynesworth fiasco, I think he'll want to break the bank.

I don't think he, or any pass-rushing LB/DE, should be a Ravens' priority. Suggs & Barnes, if given the chance, could be sufficient. The OL is going to be the biggest issue... Most don't realize the implications of losing Brown yet, IMHO...

[flynismo]

[quote name='mhead66' post='161315' date='Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM']True...

After the Haynesworth fiasco, I think he'll want to break the bank.

I don't think he, or any pass-rushing LB/DE, should be a Ravens' priority. Suggs & Barnes, if given the chance, could be sufficient. The OL is going to be the biggest issue... Most don't realize the implications of losing Brown yet, IMHO...[/quote]

Yeah, our OL and WR needs to be addressed immediately. We have a SB team with or without Lewis, but only if our offense plays well.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

We absolutely should not even think about trading for Peppers. We could not afford to keep our own guys who wanted 7.5 and 8 million annually, and we are going to trade for a guy who wants over 10? I don't see it. I think he does want to play OLB, but he may not be as good in that role. We have other needs at OL and WR, maybe an ILB or a cheaper DE. Pryce is old, and we need someone if they don't believe Bannan is the guy. If ozzie were to trade our #1 pick, it better be for Boldin or Roy Williams IMO.