Interesting

[MKdave]

Suggs' franchise tag was the only franchise tag signed this year that was the 'exclusive' type. All the other players were designated 'non-exclusive' franchise players. Do you think this means we were scared another team would fork over the two firsts for him?
I don't think there would have been any financial difference in the tags because it's 120% of last years contract either way.
Personally, I'd have prefered the non-exclusive and then taken the two first rounders if someone was willing to give them to us.
Would you give Suggs up for two first rounders?

[flynismo]

[quote name='MKdave' post='157483' date='Feb 25 2009, 01:04 PM']Suggs' franchise tag was the only franchise tag signed this year that was the 'exclusive' type. All the other players were designated 'non-exclusive' franchise players. Do you think this means we were scared another team would fork over the two firsts for him?
I don't think there would have been any financial difference in the tags because it's 120% of last years contract either way.
Personally, I'd have prefered the non-exclusive and then taken the two first rounders if someone was willing to give them to us.
Would you give Suggs up for two first rounders?[/quote]


Maybe...depends on which team it was from.

This year would have been great to have two 1st rdrs, since we have two massive needs in CB and WR, and a few very nice prospects at both positions.

Or it could have also allowed us to pull off a trade for Boldin and not lose any draft picks....in fact we still woulda came out ahead as long as Az didn't want 2 first rounders.....

[MKdave]

[quote name='flynismo' post='157488' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:08 PM']Maybe...depends on which team it was from.

This year would have been great to have two 1st rdrs, since we have two massive needs in CB and WR, and a few very nice prospects at both positions.[/quote]

I'm not sure, but I'd guess you'd get them in different years. Is there like a time limit on when you can use them?

[flynismo]

I dunno if there's a time limit, but I'm nearly positve that those two 1st round picks are the teams next two available first rounders.

[ravensgirlx88]

NO!

[MKdave]

[quote name='flynismo' post='157494' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:12 PM']I dunno if there's a time limit, but I'm nearly positve that those two 1st round picks are the teams next two available first rounders.[/quote]
Ah, it's a shame you can't pick when you want them.

[MKdave]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='157495' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:12 PM']NO![/quote]

Care to elaborate?

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='MKdave' post='157497' date='Feb 25 2009, 02:13 PM']Care to elaborate?[/quote]


You would honestly give Suggs up for 2 first rounders? What positions actually? I think Suggs will only continue to get better and he's only 26!

[MKdave]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='157500' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:15 PM']You would honestly give Suggs up for 2 first rounders? What positions actually? I think Suggs will only continue to get better and he's only 26![/quote]

Two first rounders? Yeah. We have guys that can fill in for him on the edge.
That means four first rounders in two years, and the picks that we get would probably be high because good teams don't make desperation moves like that.
We need quality players at corner and reciever, and then we have 2 firsts next year too, so we can fill any needs that arise between then and now with young, quality players.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='MKdave' post='157504' date='Feb 25 2009, 01:19 PM']Two first rounders? Yeah. We have guys that can fill in for him on the edge.
That means four first rounders in two years, and the picks that we get would probably be high because good teams don't make desperation moves like that.
We need quality players at corner and reciever, and then we have 2 firsts next year too, so we can fill any needs that arise between then and now with young, quality players.[/quote]


If we get rid of Ray Lewis I think Suggs is super important to keep. I do agree tho that we def. need a top WR and Shutdown corner. No doubts about it!

[shaikh015]

[quote name='MKdave' post='157483' date='Feb 25 2009, 02:04 PM']Suggs' franchise tag was the only franchise tag signed this year that was the 'exclusive' type. All the other players were designated 'non-exclusive' franchise players. Do you think this means we were scared another team would fork over the two firsts for him?
I don't think there would have been any financial difference in the tags because it's 120% of last years contract either way.
Personally, I'd have prefered the non-exclusive and then taken the two first rounders if someone was willing to give them to us.
Would you give Suggs up for two first rounders?[/quote]
No deal!!!!!
With the draft you are gambling the prospect has a 50% chance of being a bust or a stud!!!!!!
I rather not give up a pro bowler for two 50% chances...
Out of the top 10 prospects last year who was actually a Stud...Like Rogers Cromarte was good but I think he went passed the 10th pick...

[MKdave]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='157505' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:20 PM']If we get rid of Ray Lewis I think Suggs is super important to keep. I do agree tho that we def. need a top WR and Shutdown corner. No doubts about it![/quote]

I think keeping Scott becomes more important than Suggs if Ray leaves.

[MKdave]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='157507' date='Feb 25 2009, 06:23 PM']No deal!!!!!
With the draft you are gambling the prospect has a 50% chance of being a bust or a stud!!!!!!
I rather not give up a pro bowler for two 50% chances...[/quote]

First rounders are hardly 50-50. Not with us anyway.

[neepo13]

They probably just want to keep him from finding out what his real market value is because its probably more then we are willing to pay him.

[bauer77]

no i want him to take over the defense [u]IF[/u][b][/b] ray leaves

[mhead66]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='157507' date='Feb 25 2009, 01:23 PM']No deal!!!!!
With the draft you are gambling the prospect has a [b]50% chance of being a bust or a stud[/b]!!!!!!
[b]I rather not give up a pro bowler for two 50% chances[/b]...
Out of the top 10 prospects last year who was actually a Stud...Like Rogers Cromarte was good but I think he went passed the 10th pick...[/quote]

The Ravens' first round draft history:

Joe Flacco
Ben Grubbs
Haloti Ngata
Mark Clayton
Terrell Suggs
Kyle Boller
Ed Reed
Todd Heap
Jamal Lewis
Chris McCalister
Duane Starks
Peter Boulware
Jonathan Ogden
Ray Lewis

Outside of Clayton, Boller and Starks, every player on this list has been good, excellent, or Hall of Fame. (Grubbs & Flacco are too new to judge completely, in all fairness). 11 out of 14 is better than 50-50, it's a success rate of 79%...

You wouldn't give up Terrell Suggs for Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis at 22 years old?
You wouldn't give up Terrell Suggs for Jonathan Ogden and Ed Reed at 22 years old?

[MKdave]

[quote name='mhead66' post='157551' date='Feb 25 2009, 08:05 PM']Outside of Clayton, Boller and Starks, every player on this list has been good, excellent, or Hall of Fame. (Grubbs & Flacco are too new to judge completely, in all fairness). 11 out of 14 is better than 50-50, it's a success rate of 79%...[/quote]

I wouldn't even say that Starks wasn't good. He was good until he left.And I would say we've seen enough out of Grubbs to know that he's a quality guard.

But yeah, I agree with your post.

[neepo13]

[quote name='mhead66' post='157551' date='Feb 25 2009, 03:05 PM']The Ravens' first round draft history:

Joe Flacco
Ben Grubbs
Haloti Ngata
Mark Clayton
Terrell Suggs
Kyle Boller
Ed Reed
Todd Heap
Jamal Lewis
Chris McCalister
Duane Starks
Peter Boulware
Jonathan Ogden
Ray Lewis

Outside of Clayton, Boller and Starks, every player on this list has been good, excellent, or Hall of Fame. (Grubbs & Flacco are too new to judge completely, in all fairness). 11 out of 14 is better than 50-50, it's a success rate of 79%...

You wouldn't give up Terrell Suggs for Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis at 22 years old?
You wouldn't give up Terrell Suggs for Jonathan Ogden and Ed Reed at 22 years old?[/quote]

We picked Travis Taylor in the first round to and he didnt pan out. Still a good track record though.

[mhead66]

[quote name='neepo13' post='157560' date='Feb 25 2009, 03:13 PM']We picked Travis Taylor in the first round to and he didnt pan out. Still a good track record though.[/quote]

You're right, I missed that one...

Yes, I think the Ravens' quality FO pretty much guarantees a Pro-Bowl type player 2/3 of the time... It makes you wonder about teams like the Lions, Bengals, Raiders, and (until recently) the Cards, who have had HIGH draft picks, top-ten, for years, and still stink...

Trading Suggs for two 70% chances at two young Pro-Bowlers... would be hard to say "no"...

[3Zach21]

It depends where in the first round the picks were. IF they were each top 10 then maybe, but anything other then that is a little risky.

[MKdave]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='157563' date='Feb 25 2009, 08:18 PM']It depends where in the first round the picks were. IF they were each top 10 then maybe, but anything other then that is a little risky.[/quote]

Like I said, I would imagine they would be high because good teams don't ship their first round pick.

[jezzy]

if we give suggs up who rushes the passer for us and what de is there to mdraft this year none why because there hard to come across were did our loyalty go as fans of the ravens suggs got that tag cuase he means so much to what are d does

[3Zach21]

[quote name='jezzy' post='157568' date='Feb 25 2009, 03:28 PM']if we give suggs up who rushes the passer for us and what de is there to mdraft this year none why because there hard to come across were did our loyalty go as fans of the ravens suggs got that tag cuase he means so much to what are d does[/quote]

there is actually quite a bit DE/OLB hybrids in the draft this year.. but we shouldnt worry about it because Suggs is on our team! I think we will draft another OLB/DE in the draft tho..

[MKdave]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='157572' date='Feb 25 2009, 08:31 PM']there is actually quite a bit DE/OLB hybrids in the draft this year.. but we shouldnt worry about it because Suggs is on our team! I think we will draft another OLB/DE in the draft tho..[/quote]

I think one of the top Hybrids will fall to us in the second round.
Out of Maybin, English, Orakpo, Brown, Johnson, Sintim, Ayers, Cushing, and Curry, (even though the latter two could play 4-3 with ease) everyone who runs a 3-4 is gonna have the hybrid that they covet, so it's prefectly feasible that one could drop to us late.

[RavenFan]

Ya I'm not sure y they would put the exclusive tag on him. Of all the guys that have been francised how many have actually been signed by another team? I could be wrong but wasn't Kevin Carter signed by the Titans from the Rams or vice versa, when he was francised. But other than that wasn't he the only one. I think Haynesworth last year would of had a better chance getting signed by someone over Suggs. Any thoughts? Or corrections

[tweety]

It would probably be economical to take two first rounders but Suggs has done nothing make make me want to trade him. While our draft record is phenomenal, a risk is still a risk.