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[wspencer]

[quote name='Numatic' post='156702' date='Feb 22 2009, 11:01 PM']stop making up your mind so fast he played against 3 great defenses and had multiple touchdowns in each of them i dont know how you dont like him but you need to start because he'll be the guy in the first round if we go reciever oh and speed is not important guess the titans should release chris johnson speed is the most important you can learn the rest[/quote]

there is so much wrong with this post, i don't know where to begin.......

[Ed_Reed20]

I don't think anyone questioned Heyward-Bey's physical tools. What I want to know is if he can run a full route tree, catch with his hands, separate underneath and block.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='156681' date='Feb 22 2009, 10:27 PM']We won't be eating our words if he goes before we pick haha. I agree that he can be a beast but there is definitely potential for him to be a bust, but I think it all depends on his mentality and work ethic.[/quote]

Yep, that's how I feel about DHB too

[Ravnet]

Didn't we expect Heyward-Bey to make his money in the combine? He's an athlete.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='156679' date='Feb 22 2009, 10:22 PM']Well, his production was exactly where Chad Johnson's was with Fitzpatrick, or where Steve smiths was last year without Delhome, or where Seatle's WRs was without Hasslebeck.

My point: he had no QB who could consistantly get him the ball. People fail to recognize how a WR's production is a result of a QB who can use him. Is there a Ravens fan out there that wouldn't want to see Flacco throw go, post, or double move type routes deep to DHB? He has hands people!!! Recognize!!! He has size and speed to beat you deep and to get the jump balls. He ran crisp routes at the combine, and caught the ball naturally away from the chest at all times! This guy is a beast!

Really, all the nay-sayers are goin to eat their words when DHB makes someone like Kyle Orton or JaMarcus Russel look like a superstar. The Ravens need to make it a priority to get him in the first. I'd even consider trading up into the teens to pick up DHB. I think he will be the 2nd or 3rd WR off the board.[/quote]

I'm not saying that DHB will or will not be a good NFL WR. However i don't buy the arguement about his QB being bad. The thing about those NFL WRs you name is that they faced quality NFL CBs on a weekly basis. Maryland didn't play elite talent on a weekly basis, so if u are a great WR you should dominate lesser talent.

As far as his QB play, the reason i don't by that is because great WRs make their QB look good vs average opponents. There were 8 teams in the ACC alone that had QB play similar or worst then MD, but the WRs out performed DHB.

These are the number for the MD passing duo.

QB- 2,516yds/57%/6.73ypa/13TD.........DHB-42rec/609yds/14.5yac/5TD

Now here are the teams that WRs out performed DHB despite the QB play.

BC QB-1721yds/55%/5.61ypa/10Td..........WR-42rec/646yds/15.6yac/3TD

Clem QB-2601yds/61.4%/7.23ypa/13TD........(2)WR-67rec/722yds/10.8ypc/4TD
WR-55rec/710yds/12.9ypc/4TD

Duke QB-2,171yds/62.1%/6.01ypa/15TDS........WR-61rec/693yds/11.4ypc/8TD

GT QB-808yds/43.9%/6.57/2TD......................WR-39rec/627yds/16.1ypc/3TD, this team ran a triple option and didn't throw much

NCST QB-1955yds/54.5%/7.11/17...............WR-31rec/691yds/22.3ypc/5TD

NC- (2) QB-1261yds/56%/7.51ypa/9TD............WR-68rec/1222yds/18.0ypc/12TD(Nicks)
QB-1168yds/60%/8.65ypa/11TD

VA- QB-2037yds/63.8%/5.75ypa/8TD..............WR-58rec/723/12.5ypc/5TD

Wake QB-2347yds/63.9%/6.4ypa/13TD.............WR-66rec/699/10.6ypc/3TD

Now that is just the ACC so i can imagine the other draft prospects. In a divison with plenty of medicore QBs, Nicks is the only WR that stands out. Not because of his speed or hometown, but because of his production. Now am i saying that Nicks is or will be a better NFL WR then DHB? No.

All this post was for is to show you how that QB issue is just an excuse. Most of these wrs that are listed will not even sniff the NFL, but yet many of them outperformed this potential 1st round WR. Now i ask the question again to anyone that wants to answer. Where was DHB's production in college?

From what i know if u don't produce in college, chances are u won't in the NFL regardless of your speed or deep play potential. Having a great Combine won't change that, it'll just get you millions of dollars to be labeled a bust.

This post is not meant to bash DHB, just trying to get a feel for where all the love for him is coming from.

[Ravensfan23]

I get the feeling that people are willing to overlook average talent and production for tremendous speed. Instead of evaluating his on-field product, they are blown away by what he can do on a track, or in a event that he spent months practicing for.

I have said this before, If DHB ran a 4.45-5.0 40 would anyone be talking about him before the 3rd round. You don't overlook production because of speed. You overlook speed because of production.

[BloodRaven]

40 time is one of the worst ways to gauge the ability (or even physical qualities) of a wide reciever.

Case point:

Our slowest WR (Mason) is also by far our best WR and our fastest WR (Figurs) is by far our worst.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='156777' date='Feb 23 2009, 05:03 AM']40 time is one of the worst ways to gauge the ability (or even physical qualities) of a wide reciever.

Case point:

Our slowest WR (Mason) is also by far our best WR and our fastest WR (Figurs) is by far our worst.[/quote]
Excellent point. We need a true receiver NOT a converted track star. That said...if Nicks goes before DHB I have no problem with us grabbing him.

[wspencer]

guys, don't get it twisted. DHB could very well end up being a superstar. the problem is, he's just as likely to end up being a superBUST. it's gonna be all or nothign with DHB, and maybe that's okay. for us, i don't think it is. we can't afford to miss on a first round pick, let alone a young, talented wide receiver, all at the expense of ignoring our glaring hole in the secondary. if we drafted DHB and he busted, then we're set back a few years right away. i like DHB, don't get me wrong. i just don't think he's as safe of a pick as a robiskie, iglesias, or especially nicks

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='156857' date='Feb 23 2009, 12:55 PM']guys, don't get it twisted. DHB could very well end up being a superstar. the problem is, he's just as likely to end up being a superBUST. it's gonna be all or nothign with DHB, and maybe that's okay. for us, i don't think it is. we can't afford to miss on a first round pick, let alone a young, talented wide receiver, all at the expense of ignoring our glaring hole in the secondary. if we drafted DHB and he busted, then we're set back a few years right away. i like DHB, don't get me wrong. i just don't think he's as safe of a pick as a robiskie, iglesias, or especially nicks[/quote]

I aswell wouldn't mind drafting DHB, just not in the first round. You don't draft a developmental guy in the 1st round. DHB will probably start to coming into his own in year 4 for whatever team picks him. Unfortunately for him people no longer have patients for early picks. You either perform or not. He will probably be labeled a bust, have a pretty good year the season in his FA year, then turn around and be special for his second team.

I just think people are overvaluing him, and thus will have too much expedtations for him, way too early. If given the time to develop i beleive he can be a above average to very good WR. I just think right now his speed says draft me in the 1st round, his potential says 2nd round, and his production in college says 3rd round.

DHB is one of those guys that should be viewed as a sleeper, but because of his speed he will be viewed as elite and i don't think he is there yet.

[H8R]

I would only pick up DHB if he fell to the second round and we know thats not going to happen.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

Im thinking Maclin ran his 40 before leaving and going out.

4.7 seems to slow to me for him.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

[quote name='Numatic' post='156702' date='Feb 23 2009, 12:01 AM']stop making up your mind so fast he played against 3 great defenses and had multiple touchdowns in each of them i dont know how you dont like him but you need to start because he'll be the guy in the first round if we go reciever oh and speed is not important guess the titans should release chris johnson speed is the most important you can learn the rest[/quote]

instinct, work ethic

More important.

both to an extent can be learned, not to the point where some people are gifted with it though.

Speed helps, but personally I dont think its the most important.

[bscott57]

[quote name='MKdave' post='156561' date='Feb 22 2009, 03:49 PM']Did any body see that 210 pound reciever that jacked up the 225 27 times? It was more than alot of offensive lineman.[/quote]

Ya it was Brooks Foster from UNC, he is a weightroom champ. Dude is jacked and will be a sick Special teams guy in the NFL.

[bscott57]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='156610' date='Feb 22 2009, 07:21 PM']I just hope that all other teams are thinking the way most people on these forums are so DHB can fall to us. It seems like people are getting on bey just cuz he is fast, as if those who want him are simply looking at his speed.

He does not have bad hands by any stretch of the imagination, and he solidified his great hands at the combine today.

Guarentee: DHB will be the second most productive reciever out of this years draft (2nd to only Crabtree)[/quote]

hahaha you have no idea what you are talking about. Forget the fact you went to UMD and get a clue. He is way to raw for the Ravens and we dont have a good track record of developing WR at all. Not to mention Hicks, Britt and Macklin are all in line before DHB. WHat makes you so sure he will be so productive? What has he done up to this point in his football career?

[bscott57]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='156760' date='Feb 23 2009, 02:19 AM']I'm not saying that DHB will or will not be a good NFL WR. However i don't buy the arguement about his QB being bad. The thing about those NFL WRs you name is that they faced quality NFL CBs on a weekly basis. Maryland didn't play elite talent on a weekly basis, so if u are a great WR you should dominate lesser talent.

As far as his QB play, the reason i don't by that is because great WRs make their QB look good vs average opponents. There were 8 teams in the ACC alone that had QB play similar or worst then MD, but the WRs out performed DHB.

These are the number for the MD passing duo.

QB- 2,516yds/57%/6.73ypa/13TD.........DHB-42rec/609yds/14.5yac/5TD

Now here are the teams that WRs out performed DHB despite the QB play.

BC QB-1721yds/55%/5.61ypa/10Td..........WR-42rec/646yds/15.6yac/3TD

Clem QB-2601yds/61.4%/7.23ypa/13TD........(2)WR-67rec/722yds/10.8ypc/4TD
WR-55rec/710yds/12.9ypc/4TD

Duke QB-2,171yds/62.1%/6.01ypa/15TDS........WR-61rec/693yds/11.4ypc/8TD

GT QB-808yds/43.9%/6.57/2TD......................WR-39rec/627yds/16.1ypc/3TD, this team ran a triple option and didn't throw much

NCST QB-1955yds/54.5%/7.11/17...............WR-31rec/691yds/22.3ypc/5TD

NC- (2) QB-1261yds/56%/7.51ypa/9TD............WR-68rec/1222yds/18.0ypc/12TD(Nicks)
QB-1168yds/60%/8.65ypa/11TD

VA- QB-2037yds/63.8%/5.75ypa/8TD..............WR-58rec/723/12.5ypc/5TD

Wake QB-2347yds/63.9%/6.4ypa/13TD.............WR-66rec/699/10.6ypc/3TD

Now that is just the ACC so i can imagine the other draft prospects. In a divison with plenty of medicore QBs, Nicks is the only WR that stands out. Not because of his speed or hometown, but because of his production. Now am i saying that Nicks is or will be a better NFL WR then DHB? No.

All this post was for is to show you how that QB issue is just an excuse. Most of these wrs that are listed will not even sniff the NFL, but yet many of them outperformed this potential 1st round WR. Now i ask the question again to anyone that wants to answer. Where was DHB's production in college?

From what i know if u don't produce in college, chances are u won't in the NFL regardless of your speed or deep play potential. Having a great Combine won't change that, it'll just get you millions of dollars to be labeled a bust.

This post is not meant to bash DHB, just trying to get a feel for where all the love for him is coming from.[/quote]


Great post, no way we take "DHB" if Nicks is still on the board. Nicks proved he is better against the same competition and has been compared to Chris Carter, Jerry Rice by a lot of people at the combine. People here just dont get it because the dude went to UMD, it just gets so old.

[bscott57]

[quote name='CP`C-Pain`CP' post='156875' date='Feb 23 2009, 01:48 PM']Im thinking Maclin ran his 40 before leaving and going out.

4.7 seems to slow to me for him.[/quote]

Macklin ran a 4.45, also people please note that "DHB" was the only WR to do all the events. This is because as stated on here he was a track star for much of his life and these are the things he has trained for pretty much his whole life, it is no surprise at the numbers he put up, I actually thought he would go under 4.3 and have the best vertical but he didnt. Just looking at these numbers it looks like he did great but when considering how raw of a talent he is and how suspect his hands are these numbers become increasingly less appealing.


Barden, Ramses Cal Poly 4.57 17
Britt, Kenny Rutgers 4.52 23 37.0 10'4
Butler, Deon Penn State 4.38 12 37.0 11.32
Byrd, Demetrius LSU 4.42
Childs, Jeremy Boise State 4.57 11.29
Collie, Austin BYU 4.55 17 6.78 11.42
Cosby, Quan Texas 4.48
Crabtree, Michael Texas Tech
Dillard, Jarett Rice 4.53 13 42.5 10'9
Edison, Dominique Stephen F Austin 4.45 37.0 4.18
Foster, Brooks North Carolina 27
Gibson, Brandon Washington State
Hartline, Brian Ohio State 4.52 6.65 4.12 10.92
Harvin, Percy Florida 4.41 19
Heyward-Bey, Darrius Maryland 4.30 16 38.5 6.80 4.18 10'6
Iglesias, Juaquin Oklahoma 4.51
Johnson, Manuel Oklahoma
Johnson, Taurus South Florida 4.47 18
Kelly, Aaron Clemson 4.49 11 38.0
Knox, Johnny Abilene Christian 4.34 6.81 4.15 10'2
Lawrence, Quinten McNeese State 20
Maclin, Jeremy Missouri 4.45
Marion, Brennan Tulsa
Massaquoi, Mohamed Georgia 4.57 10'7
McKinley, Kenny South Carolina 4.44 37.0 4.10
Means, Andrew Indiana 4.48 12 4.21
Mitchell, Marko Nevada 4.46 9
Murphy, Louis Florida 4.43 12
Nicks, Hakeem North Carolina 4.49
Norwood, Jordan Penn State 4.57 38.0 6.80 4.20
Ogletree, Kevin Virginia 4.45 6.67 4.08 10'2
Orton, Greg Purdue 4.62 22 38.0 10'5
Passmore, Darius Marshall 4.51
Richmond, David San Jose State 4.62
Robiskie, Brian Ohio State 4.49 37.5 6.72 4.19
Stroughter, Sammie Oregon State 4.55 13
Swift, Nate Nebraska 4.64 12 6.78 11.59
Tate, Brandon North Carolina 10'6
Thomas, Mike Arizona 4.40 40.5 6.65
Turner, Patrick Southern Cal
Underwood, Tiquan Rutgers 4.41 7 41.5 6.62 4.11 10'9
Wallace, Mike Mississippi 4.33 14 40.0 10'9
Williams, Derrick Penn State 4.58 15
Williams, Jaison Oregon 4.64 14

[Numatic]

kids an athlete if we go reciever in first we'll get him if we go wide reciever however i say go with the best football player at the time like a good linebacker or a good CB