Samari Reportedly "wants Out Of Baltimore"

[Raven07]

This report comes to you from rotoworld.com, saying that the rigors of Harbaugh's Training Camp and practices has plagued the ailing Cornerback (whom also has Epilepsy).... now this may or may not come as a HUGE suprise to you people out there, but his agent is expected to meet with the Ravens Front office to talk the situation over some time soon, in which Ozzie might ask Samari for a Pay Cut. This Move (if proven to be 100 precent True) almost indefinately puts us in a Pressure hold NEED at the CornerBack position, with just 2 other CBs on the active roster, whom has shown potential at times, but just that and havent really shown the Team "yes i/we can be your go-to guys, you can count on us" type players, i say again, will put the CB position as one of our TOP priorities during the upcoming weeks/months.

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thoughts?

[Moderator 2]

This is a rehash of a Preston article. Rolle can't seem to stay healthy and maybe his age is catching up with him. I would be sorry to see him go.

[Samari]

damn.....I hope this isn't true cuz he's my favorite player and I really want him to get a ring. I think he has a better chance here than anywhere else and I want my favorite player to get a ring with my favorite team.....I will be really sad if he's not with the team next year

[Ravnet]

Purely speaking as a fan, we better get a nice CB if we end up dumping both CMac AND Samari.

Drafting a guy would be nice, but losing two veterans would be absolutely devastating, so here's to Ozzie finding something better than Fabian Washington.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='155529' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:28 PM']Purely speaking as a fan, we better get a nice CB if we end up dumping both CMac AND Samari.

Drafting a guy would be nice, but losing two veterans would be absolutely devastating, so here's to Ozzie finding something better than Fabian Washington.[/quote]
Exactly. And that's not a complete knock on Fabian Washington; he has speed and played admirably last season, but speed isn't everything. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on Washington, since one good season doesn't make a #1 CB.

[darklight1216]

Man, this stinks. Losing both veteran CBs... Hopefully someone good will step up to fill their shoes. Or better yet, let this just be a rumor

[Ravnet]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='155533' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:37 PM']Exactly. And that's not a complete knock on Fabian Washington; he has speed and played admirably last season, but speed isn't everything. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on Washington, since one good season doesn't make a #1 CB.[/quote]

Ideally, Fabian would play an extensive backup role, but I'd be cool with him starting if we have someone stellar as a complement. If, however, we end up drafting a CB and/or bringing in another project like Washington, then I'd really start to get worried.

[FabFabian]

[quote name='darklight1216' post='155534' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:37 PM']Man, this stinks. Losing both veteran CBs... Hopefully someone good will step up to fill their shoes. Or better yet, let this just be a rumor[/quote]
ravenet im gonna say the same thing i say to every1 else. what ******in team are you watching, cuz i dont think its the ravens u dope... fabian washington led the team in most pass deflections, jeez i think the only time i can recall where something happened was when he slipped in the game against pittsburgh and he slipped in the game against dallas covering t.o.. other than that fabian is mad crazy at covering he was right beside t.o all game, right beside santana moss all game.. we lined him with all good receivers, what video do u people watch. please tell me.. this kid is gonna be amazing as he gets older hes only 25.. and then someone else says not bring another project in such as fabian.. go ******in cheer for another team... obviously ozzie and crew know who to look at since we make right decisions.. go jump on the bandwagon and cheer for another team

[bce086]

[quote name='FabFabian' post='155624' date='Feb 19 2009, 11:44 AM']ravenet im gonna say the same thing i say to every1 else. what ******in team are you watching, cuz i dont think its the ravens u dope... fabian washington led the team in most pass deflections, jeez i think the only time i can recall where something happened was when he slipped in the game against pittsburgh and he slipped in the game against dallas covering t.o.. other than that fabian is mad crazy at covering he was right beside t.o all game, right beside santana moss all game.. we lined him with all good receivers, what video do u people watch. please tell me.. this kid is gonna be amazing as he gets older hes only 25.. and then someone else says not bring another project in such as fabian.. go ******in cheer for another team... obviously ozzie and crew know who to look at since we make right decisions.. go jump on the bandwagon and cheer for another team[/quote]


Washington is a #2 corner... You ask what team he's watching? Im gunna ask what LEAGUE are you watching.
Fabian has done a great job for us, but theres no doubt we need a true #1 corner.

(Your style of making arguments by putting people down and cursing makes you look like an idiot)

[Corvus]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='155533' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:37 PM']Exactly. And that's not a complete knock on Fabian Washington; he has speed and played admirably last season, but speed isn't everything. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on Washington, since one good season doesn't make a #1 CB.[/quote]

Washington did do a solid job in man to man coverage last year (he did lead the team in passes defended if I'm not mistakened), the only really big slip up I remember was in the championship game when he slipped and fell on that Holmes TD and even then he was doing a good job staying on Holmes before he slipped. its his tackling that he needs to work on. I couldn't tell you how many tackles he missed but I saw it a lot this year.


And even Frank Walker, as much as we all bashed him in the preseason and early in the season (myself included), really seemed to come on later in the year and started to step up big for us. So he did wind up providing some good depth this year.

I don't see how we don't draft a corner in the 1st round this year, I was calling for one last year but Joe certainly proved his worth as our last 1st rounder. It is an area we cannot skip over again this year though...

PS. The website link also reports that we resigned Dwan Edwards to a 1 year 1 mil contract.

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Raven07' post='155522' date='Feb 19 2009, 12:07 AM']This report comes to you from rotoworld.com, saying that the rigors of Harbaugh's Training Camp and practices has plagued the ailing Cornerback (whom also has Epilepsy).... now this may or may not come as a HUGE suprise to you people out there, but his agent is expected to meet with the Ravens Front office to talk the situation over some time soon, in which Ozzie might ask Samari for a Pay Cut. This Move (if proven to be 100 precent True) almost indefinately puts us in a Pressure hold NEED at the CornerBack position, with just 2 other CBs on the active roster, whom has shown potential at times, but just that and havent really shown the Team "yes i/we can be your go-to guys, you can count on us" type players, i say again, will put the CB position as one of our TOP priorities during the upcoming weeks/months.

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thoughts?[/quote]
This is a really cool sig!

I totally understand your opinion we need to address this situation like right now.....

[BirdWatcher]

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[H8R]

[quote name='FabFabian' post='155624' date='Feb 19 2009, 11:44 AM']ravenet im gonna say the same thing i say to every1 else. what ******in team are you watching, cuz i dont think its the ravens u dope... fabian washington led the team in most pass deflections, jeez i think the only time i can recall where something happened was when he slipped in the game against pittsburgh and he slipped in the game against dallas covering t.o.. other than that fabian is mad crazy at covering he was right beside t.o all game, right beside santana moss all game.. we lined him with all good receivers, what video do u people watch. please tell me.. this kid is gonna be amazing as he gets older hes only 25.. and then someone else says not bring another project in such as fabian.. go ******in cheer for another team... obviously ozzie and crew know who to look at since we make right decisions.. go jump on the bandwagon and cheer for another team[/quote]


You really need to calm down, this is the second post we have seen today with you bashing other members. BTW, Fabian was a good pick up no doubt but he will NEVER be at the level of Samari or Cmac in their best years. Fabian tackles poorly and is out of position to make plays on the ball OFTEN.

[Ravensfan23]

The thing is, as much as we all like Rolle and C-Mac they haven't played their best in the last 2 seasons. They both have found it hard to stay on the field so actually not having them will be the same as only having them for a few games.

There is not doubt that Rolle and C-Mac are quality DBs when healthy but the trick is keeping them healthy. I here people saying we need a #1 CB, well Rolle is not that guy anymore, and we played the better part of the season last year without a #1 CB. We did pretty good even without that great of a pass rush.

I think a solid veteran CB in FA,(much like Fabian was) will serve the Ravens well. I think we will draft at least 2 CBs this year. Will one of them eventually be that #1 that people seem to so desperately want? Who knows. However i think bring in a 27 year old quality CB in Bodden would not only help with depth but also talent.

As far as the rumor that Rolle wants out, we'll i'll hold judgement until i hear it from him. However if true and the style of Training Camp is the reason, then i have to say that him leaving may be the best option. Harbs can't start to give any more special treatment to guys because they can't hold out to the training methods. That is how Brain Billick got into trouble with camp cream puff. I don't think Camp had anything to do with Rolle not being healthy all season.

Rolle would be a asset to this team if he stays, the question would become how much of an asset would he be. Could he stay healthy and how would he respond to maybe playing a nickle role. I would like to see him return but if he feels it's best for him to leave them good luck Rolle.

Also if Rolle leaving would almost ensure that we can sign Jason Brown and more of our guys.

[jezzy]

samari is a beast but with all the health issues its almost a def that he will be gone unless he takes a pay cut cuz he makes 4-5mil this year coming up and thats to much for his injuries so he will be gone and i will truely miss him cuz his whole career his been underrated to me hes always been a top 5 cover corner in the nfl.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='FabFabian' post='155624' date='Feb 19 2009, 11:44 AM']ravenet im gonna say the same thing i say to every1 else. what ******in team are you watching, cuz i dont think its the ravens u dope... fabian washington led the team in most pass deflections, jeez i think the only time i can recall where something happened was when he slipped in the game against pittsburgh and he slipped in the game against dallas covering t.o.. other than that fabian is mad crazy at covering he was right beside t.o all game, right beside santana moss all game.. we lined him with all good receivers, what video do u people watch. please tell me.. this kid is gonna be amazing as he gets older hes only 25.. and then someone else says not bring another project in such as fabian.. go ******in cheer for another team... obviously ozzie and crew know who to look at since we make right decisions.. go jump on the bandwagon and cheer for another team[/quote]

I see Fabian as a stellar backup if things don't pan out, and a #2 as his absolute ceiling. Washington is at a disadvantage physically, and although his speed is nice, he simply is not cut out to line up with productive wide receivers on a consistent basis. It's just my opinion, but I would not be comfortable having Fabian as our cornerstone CB.

At the time, I thought Ozzie's decision to bring in a talented project like Washington for cheap was a great idea, and my opinion has yet to change.

[Kolaka Poni]

well if he does leave and we sign dawan laundry back, could we convert leonard to the cornerback position, i mean if i recall correctly this past year he did play as a cb right? or was that a three safety package?

[3Zach21]

if he wants out then good bye samari. You are easily replaceable.

[wayne]

[quote name='Kolaka Poni' post='155727' date='Feb 19 2009, 03:07 PM']well if he does leave and we sign dawan laundry back, could we convert leonard to the cornerback position, i mean if i recall correctly this past year he did play as a cb right? or was that a three safety package?[/quote]
Guy is only 5'8, these days you want height at the CB position with all the tall WR coming into the league.

[YABOY]

i don't know how true this is because the same site that said ray resigned with the ravens

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='155538' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:41 PM']Ideally, Fabian would play an extensive backup role, but I'd be cool with him starting if we have someone stellar as a complement. If, however, we end up drafting a CB and/or bringing in another project like Washington, then I'd really start to get worried.[/quote]
I agree

[H8R]

Was Dangelo Hall signed longterm with the Skinz?

[bossman419]

There is a reason Jimmy Leonhard is a safety and he is not gonna resign with the Ravens. He's looking for a payday and some team is gonna be foolish enough to give it to him. I like him but he was a product of the system.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='155724' date='Feb 19 2009, 03:51 PM']I see Fabian as a stellar backup if things don't pan out, and a #2 as his absolute ceiling. Washington is at a disadvantage physically, and although his speed is nice, he simply is not cut out to line up with productive wide receivers on a consistent basis. It's just my opinion, but I would not be comfortable having Fabian as our cornerstone CB.

At the time, I thought Ozzie's decision to bring in a talented project like Washington for cheap was a great idea, and my opinion has yet to change.[/quote]

I agree - Washington was a very good pickup as a FA corner, he didn't cost much and he serves well as a #2. He has speed, but I don't think he'll ever reach elite status. He also must learn to tackle better.

The last 2 years, Rolle & CMac's injuries have hurt, but another factor is consistent pass rush. If you can constantly pressure QBs, you relieve the pressure on the CBs to maintain coverage, and "cover" for a team weakness. If the Ravens can't get a #1 CB, they need to figure a way to pressure the passer more next year. The last 2 years, the Ravens averaged 15th in the NFL in sacks. In 2003-2006, they averaged 6th in sacks...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='mhead66' post='156130' date='Feb 20 2009, 08:21 PM']The last 2 years, the Ravens averaged 15th in the NFL in sacks. In 2003-2006, they averaged 6th in sacks...[/quote]

That says a lot. The Giants proved in 07 that you don't need a top-flight secondary as long you get pressure on the QB.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='156131' date='Feb 20 2009, 08:25 PM']That says a lot. The Giants proved in 07 that you don't need a top-flight secondary as long you get pressure on the QB.[/quote]

Exactly right. It compensates.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

I have heard this on the radio a ton... from what I hear it is mainly because he is an older guy (in football years) and the practices are to demanding... also the Ravens are looking to have a "younger" team.

[isaac263]

[quote name='Raven07' post='155522' date='Feb 18 2009, 11:07 PM']This report comes to you from rotoworld.com, saying that the rigors of Harbaugh's Training Camp and practices has plagued the ailing Cornerback (whom also has Epilepsy).... now this may or may not come as a HUGE suprise to you people out there, but his agent is expected to meet with the Ravens Front office to talk the situation over some time soon, in which Ozzie might ask Samari for a Pay Cut. This Move (if proven to be 100 precent True) almost indefinately puts us in a Pressure hold NEED at the CornerBack position, with just 2 other CBs on the active roster, whom has shown potential at times, but just that and havent really shown the Team "yes i/we can be your go-to guys, you can count on us" type players, i say again, will put the CB position as one of our TOP priorities during the upcoming weeks/months.

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thoughts?[/quote]

LOL darn I'm about to cry. *Sarcastic*

[SickBoy]

[size=2]I'm not sure what the Ravens plan to do in the first couple rounds of the draft but if Captain Munnerlyn or Macho Harris slip to the 3rd round we have to jump on that.[/size]

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='SickBoy' post='156672' date='Feb 22 2009, 10:02 PM'][size=2]I'm not sure what the Ravens plan to do in the first couple rounds of the draft but if Captain Munnerlyn or Macho Harris slip to the 3rd round we have to jump on that.[/size][/quote]

Macho is overrated to me. I think he would get absolutely worked by some of the receivers in the league.