No Mcalister/corner 1st Round

[raven43]

alright, with Mcalister gone, it apears that Ozzie is determined to gt younger at the position. I know we are probably going to sign a free agent at the postition, but which corner do you think we are going to draft with the 26th pick (if you think we're going corner first round)

Vontae Davis, Alphonso Smith, or DJ moore. And please, nobody mention Sean Smith. I know he's tall and all that, but we don't really need someone to outjump the other team's reciever. how many jump balls did our DB's lose last year? not that many. Our problem was that we couldn't keep up with the quick recievers, which is why we need a reall quick cover corner. these thre, IMO, are the best three at that who will be avalaible.

I know it's been said that Dais would be best fit in a cover 2 scheme, but so would Alphonso Smith (due to his lack of size) and I've heard plenty of people that want to get him, so....IDK...what do you guys think at this point?

[justifythegame]

[quote name='raven43' post='155293' date='Feb 18 2009, 01:26 PM']alright, with Mcalister gone, it apears that Ozzie is determined to gt younger at the position. I know we are probably going to sign a free agent at the postition, but which corner do you think we are going to draft with the 26th pick (if you think we're going corner first round)

Vontae Davis, Alphonso Smith, or DJ moore. And please, nobody mention Sean Smith. I know he's tall and all that, but we don't really need someone to outjump the other team's reciever. how many jump balls did our DB's lose last year? not that many. Our problem was that we couldn't keep up with the quick recievers, which is why we need a reall quick cover corner. these thre, IMO, are the best three at that who will be avalaible.

I know it's been said that Dais would be best fit in a cover 2 scheme, but so would Alphonso Smith (due to his lack of size) and I've heard plenty of people that want to get him, so....IDK...what do you guys think at this point?[/quote]
first round corners after that are not worth using a first round pick. Ozzie will most likely draft the best player on the board at 26th or trade down/up depending on how the draft is going. Ozzie thought the CB class last year was weak too and i think some of the first round corners this yr are even worse. Also you have to add to the fact what type of corner the ravens need right now. We already have the speed corner - Fabian, the guy who we can put on the fast WRs. The problem with him is that he can't make tackles at all, he isn't physical. Without C-Mac now, we need another corner like C-Mac.

Sean Smith will likely drop to the 2nd round, and he will be worth the investment of a 2nd round pick. Out of Utah, 6'3 210, we could get C-Mac type play out of this guy. If you don't like hearing about him, there are other good players too. It just doenst have to be a first round corner. First round picks are valuable, if you draft the best on the board - we're talking about a possible pro bowler with ozzie evaluating talent. You can't make a risky pick just because it is a need. If we do not draft a corner in an early round, we will add someone like Dunta Robinson via FA.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='155301' date='Feb 18 2009, 01:47 PM']The only corner worth the investment of a first round pick is Malcolm Jeinkins. The first round corners after that are not worth using a first round pick. Ozzie will most likely draft the best player on the board at 26th or trade down/up depending on how the draft is going. Ozzie thought the CB class last year was weak too and i think some of the first round corners this yr are even worse. Also you have to add to the fact what type of corner the ravens need right now. We already have the speed corner - Fabian, the guy who we can put on the fast WRs. The problem with him is that he can't make tackles at all, he isn't physical. Without C-Mac now, we need another corner like C-Mac.

Sean Smith will likely drop to the 2nd round, and he will be worth the investment of a 2nd round pick. Out of Utah, 6'3 210, we could get C-Mac type play out of this guy. If you don't like hearing about him, there are other good players too. It just doenst have to be a first round corner. First round picks are valuable, if you draft the best on the board - we're talking about a possible pro bowler with ozzie evaluating talent. You can't make a risky pick just because it is a need. If we do not draft a corner in an early round, we will add someone like Dunta Robinson via FA.[/quote]

[shaikh015]

I'm glad that this decision happens long before draft day...Now we have time to prepare and way out options.....

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='155312' date='Feb 18 2009, 02:15 PM']I'm glad that this decision happens long before draft day...Now we have time to prepare and way out options.....[/quote]

I agree 100%. That is why i'm confident that Ozzie and Erica have a plan. I believe they are confident that they will get 1 or 2 quality CBs out of the draft and also a quality FA or trade for a CB.

[20ReedsAll]

Honestly, we need to get a corner out of free agency/trades as this years CBs aren't all too great with the exception of Jenkins. We should target guys like Aso, Dunta, Bodden, Sheppard, and McFadden (steelers young cb).

In the draft, I agree with taking the best talent at #26. I keep saying, DHB will be lights out with Flacco. He has great hands, supreme speed, makes spectacular catches, and better route running than Maclin. DHB will be the real deal in the NFL. We need to pick him up if he's available at #26. If Davis falls down and DHB, Maclin, and Harvin are off the board, we should get him.

In the second round we should target the opposite position targeted in the first. Players to look out for are Alphonso Smith, Sean Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Derrick Williams, Louis Murphy, and possibly Dj Moore.

In the third, we should def pick up Dominque Johnson, a CB out if Jackson State. This guys a sleeper pick and has great skill to complement his physical dominance (6'2", low 4.3 40). He's fast, tall, and a natural ball hawk. Check him out my Ravens!

P.S. Darrius Heyward Bey is BEAST! We need to get him if he falls to 26!!!

[Samari]

DJ Moore is a future star in this league, if he is at our spot at 26, we need to jump on him. Moore and Fabian at the two spots with Samari at nickel would be very effective.

This year has a pretty good wide receiver class, we can pick up a quality player like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt in the second round, but a star corner is what we gotta take in the first.

[20ReedsAll]

[quote name='Samari' post='155325' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:13 PM']DJ Moore is a future star in this league, if he is at our spot at 26, we need to jump on him. Moore and Fabian at the two spots with Samari at nickel would be very effective.

This year has a pretty good wide receiver class, we can pick up a quality player like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt in the second round, but a star corner is what we gotta take in the first.[/quote]

Yea, that's what I'm saying though. The only star corner in this years draft is Jenkins imo. The others don't seem physical enough for Baltimore.

[Samari]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='155327' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:19 PM']Yea, that's what I'm saying though. The only star corner in this years draft is Jenkins imo. The others don't seem physical enough for Baltimore.[/quote]
Yea, that's the only knock on Moore. If Davis falls to us, he should be drafted, but otherwise it's either Moore or this kid Victor Harris out of VT. To me, he has more star potential than any other corner outside Jenkins and maybe Moore. He is physical as hell (think of a Rashean Mathis type) and his speed is very underrated. It should be between him and Moore.

I dunno about DHB tho. He isn't bad (he'll surely be available at 26), but a lot of the intrigue by Ravens fans is due to the fact that they are probably also Terps fans. He is all right, but there are better prospects. Hell, he will probably be available at our second round pick and there will still be other players worth taking over him there (Nicks, Britt, this kid Derrick Williams outta Penn State, watch out for him), so I'd stay away from him. We have a far more pressing need in the first round and we can get better talent in the second.

[wspencer]

have you guys actually watched any of these corners play?

1. smith is NOT better suited to play in a zone system. his size has nothign to do with playing man vs. zone. smith MAY even be the best man-cover corner in this draft.
2. it's obvious you guys aren't looking at these guys if you think that jenkins is the only solid corner in the draft. put 2-3 inches on alphonso smith and i GUARANTEE he's a top 5 pick. jenkins, smith, moore, davis...all high quality corners
3. who says these guys aren't physical? this REALLY shows me you haven't watched the film.
4. macho harris will come nowhere close to round 1. yes, he's physical. yes, he has good size. yes, he's aggressive, but that also gets him in trouble. his ball skills are questionable. has a hard time jumping routes and isn't the best in man coverage. especially press-man.

[20ReedsAll]

[quote name='Samari' post='155330' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:28 PM']Yea, that's the only knock on Moore. If Davis falls to us, he should be drafted, but otherwise it's either Moore or this kid Victor Harris out of VT. To me, he has more star potential than any other corner outside Jenkins and maybe Moore. He is physical as hell (think of a Rashean Mathis type) and his speed is very underrated. It should be between him and Moore.

I dunno about DHB tho. He isn't bad (he'll surely be available at 26), but a lot of the intrigue by Ravens fans is due to the fact that they are probably also Terps fans. He is all right, but there are better prospects. Hell, he will probably be available at our second round pick and there will still be other players worth taking over him there (Nicks, Britt, this kid Derrick Williams outta Penn State, watch out for him), so I'd stay away from him. We have a far more pressing need in the first round and we can get better talent in the second.[/quote]

Not saying you haven't, but if you watch film of DHB, nuff said about his playmaking ability. He has better hands than people give him credit for and doesn't rely solely on speed to get open, he runs crisp routes. No way in the devil's home nicks, Williams, and especially Britt are better than DHB. He is the number 3 WR on many experts' table, and imo is better than Maclin. Maclin imo will be a bust, all footage of his college play is him running a screen for a TD because of his speed.

DHB is 10x the prototypical real deal, with enough potential to scare even the boogey man.

[20ReedsAll]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='155342' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:51 PM']have you guys actually watched any of these corners play?

1. smith is NOT better suited to play in a zone system. his size has nothign to do with playing man vs. zone. smith MAY even be the best man-cover corner in this draft.
2. it's obvious you guys aren't looking at these guys if you think that jenkins is the only solid corner in the draft. put 2-3 inches on alphonso smith and i GUARANTEE he's a top 5 pick. jenkins, smith, moore, davis...all high quality corners
3. who says these guys aren't physical? this REALLY shows me you haven't watched the film.
4. macho harris will come nowhere close to round 1. yes, he's physical. yes, he has good size. yes, he's aggressive, but that also gets him in trouble. his ball skills are questionable. has a hard time jumping routes and isn't the best in man coverage. especially press-man.[/quote]

I missed the part where alphonso smith WAS 2-3 inches taller. No one said they were bad, but they sure as heck aren't worth it if people like Maclin, DHB, Harvin, and possibly Nicks are on the board. Smith btw = not physical, he = wanna be physical who gets beat off the line sometimes.

P.S. DHB did WORK against Alphonso when MD played Wake Forrest.

BTW, you're the mod and you're the one coming out in all caps and attacking people. Who the baby maker are you?

[wspencer]

umm...not sure how that's attacking someone, but......uh, we'll move on. and the CAPS thing is allowed to show emphasis. typing a post in ALL CAPS is not allowed. big difference.

again, if that's what you think of alphonso smith, you must be watching the wrong person. "wanna-be physical?" okay. now you've made me laugh.

and you lost me when you said DHB runs crisp routes. the BIGGEST knock on him is running sloppy routes.

[20ReedsAll]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='155355' date='Feb 18 2009, 04:32 PM']umm...not sure how that's attacking someone, but......uh, we'll move on. and the CAPS thing is allowed to show emphasis. typing a post in ALL CAPS is not allowed. big difference.

again, if that's what you think of alphonso smith, you must be watching the wrong person. "wanna-be physical?" okay. now you've made me laugh.

and you lost me when you said DHB runs crisp routes. the BIGGEST knock on him is running sloppy routes.[/quote]

DHB does run good routes.

And you lost me when you said Smith is physical and the best man to man corner

[wspencer]

then we'll have to agree to disagree.

but answer me this. how much coaches game film have you watched? not televised games, but actual coaches film where you can see every player?

how many scouts have you talked to?

i think we have different perspectives here.

[Ed_Reed20]

Alphonso Smith, D.J. Moore and Sean Smith are probably the top options that will be available. I really don't know who is the best among the three but they all have serious upside. Moore and Smith are probably better corners but Smith's size/speed ratio is really good.

[raven43]

[quote name='Moderator9' post='155342' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:51 PM']have you guys actually watched any of these corners play?

1. smith is NOT better suited to play in a zone system. his size has nothign to do with playing man vs. zone. smith MAY even be the best man-cover corner in this draft.[/quote] I was just saying that once he joins the big leagues, and has to cover people like Randy Moss and T.O., his lack of size and inability to jam those guys at the line, is going to cause him to back off. luckily for us, it apears the only really big reciever he may hav to cover within the division this year is Braylon Edwards (who's got Brady Quin throwing to him ), since Housh is probably leaving the conference.

[quote name='Moderator9' post='155342' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:51 PM']2. it's obvious you guys aren't looking at these guys if you think that jenkins is the only solid corner in the draft. put 2-3 inches on alphonso smith and i GUARANTEE he's a top 5 pick. jenkins, smith, moore, davis...all high quality corners[/quote] i agree with that, totally

[quote name='Moderator9' post='155342' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:51 PM']3. who says these guys aren't physical? this REALLY shows me you haven't watched the film.[/quote]
no I don't have coaches film so if you do I guess you probably can make a more educated decision on this than me, but I would apear to me that Jenkins and Davis are really the top physical corners in this draft. I've really only seen Smith and Moore get physical with smaller recievers

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='155347' date='Feb 18 2009, 03:58 PM']I missed the part where alphonso smith WAS 2-3 inches taller. No one said they were bad, but they sure as heck aren't worth it if people like Maclin, DHB, Harvin, and possibly Nicks are on the board. Smith btw = not physical, he = wanna be physical who gets beat off the line sometimes.

P.S. DHB did WORK against Alphonso when MD played Wake Forrest.

BTW, you're the mod and you're the one coming out in all caps and attacking people. Who the baby maker are you?[/quote]


.......wow... you obviously don't watch too much film do you?
Alphonso Smith is pretty physical, it is shown when the ball is in the air, he fights for the position to make a play...

Alphonso Smith DOES NOT play press man...

If you studied the MD game closely, then you would know that Alphonso was only covering DHB for that one deep ball
and DHB got lucky and had great concentration..with Alphonso Smith in great coverage

For other parts of the game, some other corner was defending against him (i believe his name was bush and #17)

I personally do not understand why DHB is so special and flashy?
he has no production to prove of his worth (45 catches 694 yards), and he is just fast and catches a deep ball once in a while...(once as in like every 3-4 games)

[wspencer]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='155476' date='Feb 18 2009, 08:35 PM'].......wow... you obviously don't watch too much film do you?
Alphonso Smith is pretty physical, it is shown when the ball is in the air, he fights for the position to make a play...

[b]Alphonso Smith DOES NOT play press man...[/b]

If you studied the MD game closely, then you would know that Alphonso was only covering DHB for that one deep ball
and DHB got lucky and had great concentration..with Alphonso Smith in great coverage

For other parts of the game, some other corner was defending against him (i believe his name was bush and #17)

I personally do not understand why DHB is so special and flashy?
he has no production to prove of his worth (45 catches 694 yards), and he is just fast and catches a deep ball once in a while...(once as in like every 3-4 games)[/quote]


i agree with everything you said except the bold section. smith DOES play press man. in fact, that's what he prefers. against bigger/faster receivers, he has to play OFF MAN, but it's only for caution's sake.

[Ravensfan23]

I agree 100% with the statement about A. Smith being in the top 2 of CBs in this draft if he were 2-3 inches taller. I don't have coaches tape but i do have a good eye for the game and Smith is and will continue to be a specail CB. For those that haven't watched him play think of ED Reed as a CB. Whenever the ball is in the air, it always seems to find him. I really don't care about his size, i would love to have this kid. There are a few CB in the NFL that are about Smith's size and have had good careers. As far as Smith not being pyshical enough, well thats just not true. That kid loves to be pyshical and his size actually helps it stand out. He loves playing man to man, it may look like he plays alot of zone but he just does a great job of reading the QB and breaking on the ball. I don't think u will have to worry much about him covering bigger WRs deep down field, because his pyshical nature and leaping ability will even the playing field. It's funny to me when i hear people say that a kid coming out of the draft will struggle covering Randy Moss deep down field, well how many guys in the league now can cover that guy one on one down field. I see the Ravens signing a guys like Bodden and drafting 2 CBs in the draft.

As far as DHB, nothing really seemed to stand out about the kid when i watched MD games. Now i must admit that i'm a FSU football fan so i don't share the same love afair for Terps players as most. I personally would rather have Kenny Britt be selected by the Ravens, not as a knock to DHB, but i just feel that Britt will turn out to be the best WR taken in this draft. The kid runs every route on the tree well, has great size and good speed for a guy that 6'4 215. The more i see people talk about Britt i hear about a Prima Dona type additude. I just don't see it. The kid had one mistake he made that caused him to miss a game vs Morgan State and by all account it was a turning point for him. He became more focus and worked even harder, i've heard about him putting in extra hours with the strength coaches and positions coaching to become the best he can be. He seemed to be more hurt by the fact that he let his teammates down missing that one game, then the actual fact that he missed the game. I like everything about this kid, but we all have our favorites.

A. Smith and K. Britt are probably my favorite to prospects in this draft and would love to see a press conference with those 2 guys holding up Ravens jeresys. I really don't think we will have the chance for both of these guys, as i think they will both test very well at the combine and pro days, neither will make it out of the 1st round. imo

[52Kia Kaha92]

moderator 9 is right,
Alphonso is the best man to man corner in the draft, he loves going up and pressing, he is so physical and is very qucik, he has evrything you want except for height and IMO he will be better than Jenkins in the pors due to his looser hips and recognition of plays, the guy is smart, physical, great in man to man, and has good enough hands

Alos Victor Harris will be lucky to be picked in the first day IMO

DHB rusn horrible routes, if he ran crabtree routes hed be a top 10 pick, the guy just cant cut and get seperation of routes

Sean SMith is gret and all but i heard he has some character probems as he is cocky and um himself, its put me off a bit

[FlaccosFlock]

I think some of you guys are giving Sean Smith the short end of the stick. I feel that he is going to be a great player and wouldn't mind taking him with our late first round pick. He won't be there by the time we pick in the 2nd round. I just feel that he could be something special. I also like Alphonso Smith though, so I guess as long as we go with one of the two Smiths I would be happy. I just worry about fades in the end zone, but all corners get beat at some point (Even the great ones).

[shaikh015]

Trade and pick up Davis....

[52Kia Kaha92]

davis is a zone corner IMO, hes a wrok out warrior, ill pass

[Whole-Gash]

We could draft Alphonso Smith/D.J. Moore with our first pick, even if we trade down to the early second. Then we could draft Kevin Barnes (he's on the taller side right?) or some other corner in the 3rd or 4th round as a developmental pick, so we can have a tall CB in a couple years.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='155916' date='Feb 19 2009, 11:52 PM']We could draft Alphonso Smith/D.J. Moore with our first pick, even if we trade down to the early second. Then we could draft Kevin Barnes (he's on the taller side right?) or some other corner in the 3rd or 4th round as a developmental pick, so we can have a tall CB in a couple years.[/quote]
Barnes is 6'1 6'2 depending on what site you look at. So yes, hes taller

[52Kia Kaha92]

and he is physical too, he can hit you lol

[Ed(TheMachine)Reed]

There is also Jairus Byrd who is a quick corner who can be a possible 3rd rounder.

[bce086]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='155916' date='Feb 19 2009, 11:52 PM']We could draft Alphonso Smith/D.J. Moore with our first pick, even if we trade down to the early second. Then we could draft Kevin Barnes (he's on the taller side right?) or some other corner in the 3rd or 4th round as a developmental pick, so we can have a tall CB in a couple years.[/quote]


I'd love DJ Moore and Kevin Barnes.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='155557' date='Feb 19 2009, 01:26 AM']I agree 100% with the statement about A. Smith being in the top 2 of CBs in this draft if he were 2-3 inches taller. I don't have coaches tape but i do have a good eye for the game and Smith is and will continue to be a specail CB. For those that haven't watched him play [b]think of ED Reed as a CB[/b]. Whenever the ball is in the air, it always seems to find him.[/quote]



Took the words right out of my mouth. This is the guy I want with our #1 pick, not just because CB is a need, but because of this guys potential.