Sizzle May Be Franchised

[Ravens52]

[url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens0217,0,5200387.story"]http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...0,5200387.story[/url]

2nd straight year

[Bullrush]

[quote]"You have to look at it as an opportunity for us to enter into a long-term deal"[/quote]
Ozzie said the same thing last year, at some point he should get the job done.

It's disappointing but now we can focus on Ray and Jason Brown.

[northsider]

It will be interesting to see if Suggs remains a happy camper under a tag for the second year in a row.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

he shoudnt be mad. if we have a capless season next year, he'll be able to get even more money

[RavensIQ]

He isn't tagged yet...

Change the thread title it's misleading

<[i]done[/i]>

[Michael]

is there a limit of how many times you can franchise somebody?

[Chi_Town_Raven]

No, unless it's in the terms of the contract

[bce086]

Hope they aren't planning on tagging him for a trade... even if it is Boldin.

[REEDPIXUOFF]

Tag and trade for Julius Peppers wouldn't be too bad, pending a contract being worked out cause we can't pay Pepper's 17mil this year. I think Suggs is worth more than Boldin and wouldn't be very happy with that trade.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='154815' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:04 PM']He isn't tagged yet...

Change the thread title it's misleading[/quote]
You beat me to it.

Yes, he hasn't been tagged YET. The article is merely stating how the team is PREPARED to do so, if necessary. The article also points out how the team will still try to hammer out a long-term deal that would void the use of the tag (but would also prevent the team from using the tag on someone else, I believe.)

And it's possible to use the franchise tag more than once on a player in consecutive years. But then that means their pay is increased even more the following season. The few exceptions to being unable to tag a player have mostly been in cases where players were smart enough to have language written in their contract that prevents the team from doing so.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='154815' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:04 PM']He isn't tagged yet...

Change the thread title it's misleading[/quote]

I agree.

I feel for Suggs, though, as this is basically his [i]third consecutive[/i] contract year. Guys pretty much have to go all out when the money is on the horizon, and Sizzle may be playing once again with a sense of insecurity.

I mean, Suggs has done very well in Baltimore, yet one injury/down season would cut his money in half. Make no mistake, Suggs will still be making an outrageous amount of money, but most players prefer long-term security over one large payday.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Michael' post='154816' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:05 PM']is there a limit of how many times you can franchise somebody?[/quote]
Only twice under the new CBA i believe. I just tried to google it but i haven't found anything on it yet.

Nevermind, i think there's no limit at all. But if you tag somebody more than twice you have to pay him like 100% more than what the highest paid DE in football averages per year. Something like that.

[bce086]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154825' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:10 PM']Tag and trade for Julius Peppers wouldn't be too bad, pending a contract being worked out cause we can't pay Pepper's 17mil this year. I think Suggs is worth more than Boldin and wouldn't be very happy with that trade.[/quote]


No to Peppers...

[Ravnet]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154825' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:10 PM']Tag and trade for Julius Peppers wouldn't be too bad, pending a contract being worked out cause we can't pay Pepper's 17mil this year. I think Suggs is worth more than Boldin and wouldn't be very happy with that trade.[/quote]

You'd be losing youth and cap room at the same time!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154825' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:10 PM']Tag and trade for Julius Peppers wouldn't be too bad, pending a contract being worked out cause we can't pay Pepper's 17mil this year. I think Suggs is worth more than Boldin and wouldn't be very happy with that trade.[/quote]
Peppers is older than Suggs, and there's no guarantee he'll succeed with this system; we already know what we get from Suggs (which is phenomenal talent), and as weird as this sounds, we're bound to get Suggs cheaper than Peppers since Peppers will likely command a high salary with all of his accomplishments.

[RavensIQ]

No way trade Suggs for Peppers.

Now trading Suggs for Boldin + extra picks and picking up Peppers if he made it to free agency... I'd be willing to listen.

[REEDPIXUOFF]

I know Pep is a few years older but seeing as how we haven't been able to sign Suggs for 2 years now it probably won't happen next year either and we'll be left with no compensation. I guess Suggs was just gettin some brownie points when talking about a hometown discount because it seems like he wants "Freeney" money.


oh and Pep is only 9 months older than Boldin so if age is a factor with Pep I guess it's also a factor with Q?

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154859' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:32 PM']oh and Pep is only 9 months older than Boldin so if age is a factor with Pep I guess it's also a factor with Q?[/quote]
The difference in Boldin and Peppers is the value that they bring at their positions to the team.

Trading Suggs for Boldin and acquiring an extra pick or two would make sense because: 1) Boldin fills an immediate need at WR; and 2) the extra pick(s) would be used to acquire Suggs' replacement.

Peppers can't be traded for unless he's tagged anyway, since he'll be entering free agency and will not sign the franchise tender if the Panthers try to force the tag on him. But why trade for an older, more expensive player at the same exact position you're giving up for the trade anyway?

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154859' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:32 PM']I know Pep is a few years older but seeing as how we haven't been able to sign Suggs for 2 years now it probably won't happen next year either and we'll be left with no compensation. I guess Suggs was just gettin some brownie points when talking about a hometown discount because it seems like he wants "Freeney" money.


oh and Pep is only 9 months older than Boldin so if age is a factor with Pep I guess it's also a factor with Q?[/quote]


Why would we make a trade for a guy who 2 days from now will be a free agent?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' post='154859' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:32 PM']I know Pep is a few years older but seeing as how we haven't been able to sign Suggs for 2 years now it probably won't happen next year either and we'll be left with no compensation. I guess Suggs was just gettin some brownie points when talking about a hometown discount because it seems like he wants "Freeney" money.


oh and Pep is only 9 months older than Boldin so if age is a factor with Pep I guess it's also a factor with Q?[/quote]

I wouldn't be too concerned about Suggs not being signed next season if tagged this year. The same thing happend with CMac a few years back and we signed him 2 a long term deal and next season will be an uncapped year. So i definately see Suggs being signed.

Say no too trading Suggs,i think he is the next in a long line of great Ravens drafted players like JO, Lewis, and Reed

[ravenwildman]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='154897' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:54 PM']I wouldn't be too concerned about Suggs not being signed next season if tagged this year. The same thing happend with CMac a few years back and we signed him 2 a long term deal and next season will be an uncapped year. So i definately see Suggs being signed.

Say no too trading Suggs,i think he is the next in a long line of great Ravens drafted players like JO, Lewis, and Reed[/quote]


At first I was a bit suprised of the "possible" tag on Suggs, I thought for sure he would sign after his hometown discount talk...but after thinking it through, I agree with you, no worry for next year without a cap...your right about trading him too..the man has talent it would be dumb to roll the dice on somebody else

[Raven07]

i dont see why some are saying " i wonder how Suggs will take the tag for a second year in a row"........ the man said that the Ravens get first dibs on him and he said he wants to stay a Raven, to me, this potential move is a small move that eventually leads to the big time deal We are waiting for with Suggs

plain an simple

Ozzie is playing a stragetgy here guys and Suggs sees that. the franchise tag means he's still a raven, we sign Ray and sign Brown or Scott to deals , then next year his contract will come..... its real strategy here

but thats IF they dont make progress and sign a contract extension by thursday, there's still 2 days left and sides are talking im sure.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Raven07' post='154918' date='Feb 17 2009, 04:15 PM']i dont see why some are saying " i wonder how Suggs will take the tag for a second year in a row"........ the man said that the Ravens get first dibs on him and he said he wants to stay a Raven, to me, this potential move is a small move that eventually leads to the big time deal We are waiting for with Suggs

plain an simple

Ozzie is playing a stragetgy here guys and Suggs sees that. the franchise tag means he's still a raven, we sign Ray and sign Brown or Scott to deals , then next year his contract will come..... its real strategy here

but thats IF they dont make progress and sign a contract extension by thursday, there's still 2 days left and sides are talking im sure.[/quote]


Exactly, and don't forget they can still get a deal done after they Tag him. They're very close to getting one done now so why would they cut off talks once the franchise tagg is used? But if they don't get it done by Thursday...then the tag would just be used as a safety precaution so he doesn't hit the free agency market. If they tag him on Thursday I'll bet you top dollar a deal will be struck within the next month. Maybe even sooner (b4 March 1st).

If they invested 8 mill last year and 10 mill this year then why not get a deal done? It's in the teams better interest. If they keep tagging him they're just shooting themselves in the foot bcuz they're gonna wind up paying him more than he was originally asking for. And I'm sure Ozzie realizes this which is why he will get Sizzle signed to a long term deal done b4 the season starts. Take it to the bank. I guarantee it.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Raven07' post='154918' date='Feb 17 2009, 04:15 PM']Ozzie is playing a stragetgy here guys and Suggs sees that. the franchise tag means he's still a raven, we sign Ray and sign Brown or Scott to deals , then next year his contract will come..... its real strategy here[/quote]

But that's what Ozzie said last year... I'm not going to use the word "unfair," however this will be Suggs' third straight contract year.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='northsider' post='154810' date='Feb 17 2009, 01:53 PM']It will be interesting to see if Suggs remains a happy camper under a tag for the second year in a row.[/quote]

Yeah he'll be happy, he's made it clear that he's happy as long as he's in Baltimore

[heatherln]

ok, so question, is it offensive to players to be tagged?

[Shawn`]

[quote name='heatherln' post='154964' date='Feb 17 2009, 04:45 PM']ok, so question, is it offensive to players to be tagged?[/quote]

If I'm getting you're question right you're asking if it's only offensive players that can get tagged.

The answer to that is no, franchise tags can be slapped onto any player on a contract year in hopes of renewing their contract in the later season.

[heatherln]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='154965' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:48 PM']If I'm getting you're question right you're asking if it's only offensive players that can get tagged.

The answer to that is no, franchise tags can be slapped onto any player on a contract year in hopes of renewing their contract in the later season.[/quote]

No, actually I'm asking if the players get offended by getting the franchise tag put on them.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='heatherln' post='154966' date='Feb 17 2009, 04:52 PM']No, actually I'm asking if the players get offended by getting the franchise tag put on them.[/quote]

Oh, right.

Well I don't think it's offensive, players that get tagged have to play knowing that their coaches/owners are watching them and might not sign them next off-season. So they lose a sense of job security because if they don't play good that could mean he could not get signed. So it may make them insecure.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

They just want the long term. IF they know that they are going to get a good contract next year, then they'll be happy. If their team wants to keep them that badly, but cant, that isn't offensive,