Three Big Name Wr's Want To Be Traded

[shaikh015]

[quote name='jezzy' post='153830' date='Feb 14 2009, 01:46 AM']i would want bolden but burress wouldnt be bad for joe with his hieght thats a match made in heaven but bolden would bring less bs.[/quote]
Buress is good but I think the Titans want him....

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='153653' date='Feb 13 2009, 10:22 AM']Ok say we trade for Boldin, we sign him with what money?[/quote]


The money we saved by letting Scott walk.

[Fred Sanford]

If we can get Heyward-Bey with our first round pick, I would do that in a second. Good kid, Maryland dude, Incredible potential, amazing speed AND ability to play receiver, go up and get the ball, make clutch catches. Boldin is a physical freak but Heyward-Bey would make him look like a joke in a foot race. Boldin is a great possession, short to middle YAC guy, but Clayton and Mason can mostly fill that role. Heyward-Bey presents a whole new element and I think is a standup guy, not a flake, who has great potential and will reach it.

It also wouldn't hurt that we wouldn't have to trade the farm and accept a devastating cap hit.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='mhead66' post='153648' date='Feb 13 2009, 10:13 AM']Heap was one of the best TEs in the NFL in '05 and '06, averaging 74 catches for 810 yards and 7 TDs. Last year he had 23 catches for 239, this year 35 catches for 403 yards, 23rd among TEs. Tony Gonzalez had 96-1058, for 10 TDs. However, asking him to block instead of recieve damages a TE's stats, and this doesn't apply to WRs.

Ocho Cinco had a lousy QB, but the fact is, Houshmandzadeh had the [b]same lousy QB[/b], and had 92 catches, 6th in the NFL. Ocho Cinco had 53 catches, 56th in the NFL. To give up high draft picks and pay a guy $7.8 million for that is ludicrous.

Gonzalez had 96-1058 with a lousy QB - Thigpen... TE Greg Olsen had better catches & yards than Ocho Cinco, and what QB did he have?

Better to draft a WR, than to pay for someone else's castoffs...[/quote]

Because that lousy QB Threw it to the other side means that Chad Johnson is bad... No it can be easly put on the QB, How many times did they throw it to chad as opposed to TJ? Yeah TJ caught more because Fitzpatrick threw it His way more. Does that mean Chad wasnt open? No.. Heap's numbers dropped because Flacco was not comfortable throwing it His way, I seen around 10-15 times off the top of my head that heap was open and Flacco would go to Mason.
Heap was that good before because Boller used Heap as His baby bottle, He would always look His way. Heap diddnt only Block this year, He got ask to block more because He wasnt getting the ball Thrown His way as much and when He did it was usally overthrown.

[RavensIQ]

There are better CB's in Free Agency then there are WRs in the draft.

You got guys like Dunta Robinson, Leigh Bodden, Nnamdi Asomugha, Phillip Buchanon, Jbari Green, Domonique Foxworth, Bryant McFadden, Kelvin Hayden, Andre Goodman in this years Free Agency.

Only big name WRs in FA are Houshmanzadeh and maybe Antonio Bryant.

Point being, we would be better off drafting a WR in the 1st round and bringing in CB through free agency, then we would be drafting a CB in the 1st round and bringing a WR in through Free Agency.

Now when you look at the options in round 1 for WR, you're pretty limited. So why not trade that pick for a proven WR like Boldin, Burress, Ocho Cinco, ect.. get waaayy more value from the 26th overall selction then we would have had otherwise, and then draft a WR in next years draft when we'll be in a better position to fill that need with a true #1 WR instead of a project like DHB or Kenny Britt?

[pick-ups]

Yeah That Heyward-Bey kid is a taller WR but,isn`t nearly the beast and YAC reciever that Boldin is and he is rated I think the 3rd best wide-out in the draft behind Crabtree/Maclin.

Last year draft a WR was`nt taken until the 2nd round(Devin Thomas/Washinton)and this year there will more than likely be 3 that go in the 1st and one likely in the top five.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Mishel' post='153537' date='Feb 12 2009, 10:56 PM']I'd take any of the three. but really with our cap situation as it is, would we even have a shot at any of these players? unless we are trading draft picks, correct?[/quote]

Our cap situation will mostly likely change as players are released or traded, thus providing room for things like this.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='154056' date='Feb 15 2009, 03:34 PM']Our cap situation will mostly likely change as players are released or traded, thus providing room for things like this.[/quote]

The only "room" were gonna have after trading or releasing players will be too resign our un restricted free agents. We do have a future hall of famer to resign you know?

[Wallette]

+ Ray and Ocho Cinqo are friend!!!

[Jackal_527]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='153557' date='Feb 13 2009, 01:29 AM']Lets not get into numbers like that with a team like the Bengals. Todd Heap was regarded as one of the best at the TE, with BOLLER of all people throwing to Him, and yet we get a QB like Flacco and His numbers dropped.. Its the QB, which way was He looking, who cares, Johnson is a great deep threat and is more affordable then any of the others. Bolden is also under contract, and with a team like ARZ who dont even wanna get rid of Him will be asking ALOT.. say again ALOT more then the Bengals would be. Burress will be going to prison, what good is He if He's not here, plus the NFL will probally suspend Him. TJ Housyoumomma is going to probally be asking waaaay to much for what we can afford, yeah top 5 WR money. Maybe we just dont need any reciever at all except through the draft, but one thing is for sure, we wont be grabbing the Huge names that Most people want on here. So dream about it all you want, but the only name we can grab is probally Chad.[/quote]

Hey man I'm happy with Chad. I think he talks trash because the guy can ball let's be honest. So he would bring a lot of swagger to the offense. So I'm good with this guy...actually I'm great with this guy!

[bce086]

[quote name='Jackal_527' post='154757' date='Feb 17 2009, 01:17 PM']Hey man I'm happy with Chad. I think he talks trash because the guy can ball let's be honest. So he would bring a lot of swagger to the offense. So I'm good with this guy...actually I'm great with this guy! [/quote]


I agree. He is the cheapest of the 3. And out of all 3 of them, he is the 1 who wants to prove to the Bengals, the media, the entire NFL that he isn't washed up and can still play with the best of them.

Get him in here for a couple draft picks and watch what him and Flacco do to the NFL.

[ReED jucate]

I don't subcribe to the 1 big name receiver idea. We need a lot of good receivers not one great receiver with an ego problem (Chad, Boldin, Burres, T.O) The draft has speed guys coming out and I think we can get a deep threat in the 2nd round (Heyward-Bey is my choice) We want a balanced offense to allow Cam to spread the field and not have to focus on the needs of one guy. Unselfish players.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ReED jucate' post='154761' date='Feb 17 2009, 01:27 PM']I don't subcribe to the 1 big name receiver idea. We need a lot of good receivers not one great receiver with an ego problem (Chad, Boldin, Burres, T.O) The draft has speed guys coming out and I think we can get a deep threat in the 2nd round (Heyward-Bey is my choice) We want a balanced offense to allow Cam to spread the field and not have to focus on the needs of one guy. Unselfish players.[/quote]

We already have a bunch of [i]good[/i] WRs. We don't have any [i]great[/i] Wrs. But by the time that draft WR develops Ray is gonna be gone and so will half our veterans. If we're half a passing game away from being completely unstoppable right now, then what's the point of waiting for our passing game to slowly develop. Is risking greatness now really worth it? Acquiring a big name WR via trade would mean our current team would instantly improve. Not our future team. We wouldn't have to wait.

The Ravens with a consistent passing threat + their dominant running game+ their dominant defense + the dynamics of their special teams...I would think they would have to be consider as 1 of the AFC top favorites this year.

Take away that passing threat and they're not even mentioned in that conversation.

[bce086]

Agreed IQ. If for some miraculous way, we acquired Chad, Boldin, TO, Plax (Big name WR; True #1) and Aso, we would be major competitors and would think we'd be favored at winning the superbowl before Ray retires.

[bce086]

^ 1 of those WR's obviously, not all

[ReED jucate]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='154778' date='Feb 17 2009, 02:03 PM']We already have a bunch of [i]good[/i] WRs. We don't have any [i]great[/i] Wrs. But by the time that draft WR develops Ray is gonna be gone and so will half our veterans. If we're half a passing game away from being completely unstoppable right now, then what's the point of waiting for our passing game to slowly develop. Is risking greatness now really worth it? Acquiring a big name WR via trade would mean our current team would instantly improve. Not our future team. We wouldn't have to wait.[/quote]

So you're saying a rookie would not have an immediate impact on our offense because you think it will take them too long to develope. Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson both had great seasons despite Royal being on the worst team. Larry Fitzgerald had 58 receptions, 780 in yds and 8 TD's his rookie year and essentially doubled his receptions and yards the next year and has kept that at that level.

I'm sticking to drafting a rookie WR for several reasons.
-They will mesh better from the start
-They wont take up valuable cap room
-can eventually replace aging Mason
-can develope a better relationship with Flacco over time

If I had to pick a veteran receiver to go with it would be someone like Tj houshz because of his work ethic and low profile.

[WRX123]

I say we pass on the big WR this year. Wait and see what this year will bring. As for Heap, he was blocking all yr. That is the only reason his numbers dropped. With the O-line getting better they will be able to release heap more and he is a threat down the field. Also we saw flashes of Clayton this past season. I am expecting him to have a big yr. I say we focous on the CB issues we have and keep the O-line together.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ReED jucate' post='154795' date='Feb 17 2009, 02:26 PM']So you're saying a rookie would not have an immediate impact on our offense because you think it will take them too long to develope. Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson both had great seasons despite Royal being on the worst team. Larry Fitzgerald had 58 receptions, 780 in yds and 8 TD's his rookie year and essentially doubled his receptions and yards the next year and has kept that at that level.

I'm sticking to drafting a rookie WR for several reasons.
-They will mesh better from the start
-They wont take up valuable cap room
-can eventually replace aging Mason
-can develope a better relationship with Flacco over time

If I had to pick a veteran receiver to go with it would be someone like Tj houshz because of his work ethic and low profile.[/quote]


Are you saying Eddie Royal and Desean Jackson are Better than Derrek Mason and Mark Clayton? Are you saying 780 receiving yards and 8 tds is enough for a rookie WR to be considered great? Are you saying that a rookie WR will be on the same level as Boldin, T.O., Plex, Ocho Cinco, Larry Fitzgerald?

It's very rare for a rookie WR to have a big impact in their 1st year. Eddie Royal had a couple big games, he wasn't consistent throughout the entire season tho. Denver was constantly having to coming back from behind bcuz their defense (if you want to call it that) was terrible. So of course any WR on that team was going to have padded stats. They had no other choice then to throw the ball. Jackson on the other hand was the only healthy WR for the majority of the year for the Eagles so who else was McNabb to throw to?

Are you telling me that our 1st round WR is going to come in here and take the place of Mason or Clayton next season? Unless you think the Ravens will adopt a spread offense to accommodate their newly acquired WR? I think not...

So basically he'll be used as a 3rd WR for certain situations (aka Limited). Whereas, Boldin, T.O., Johnson, Burress, could all come in here and take Clayton's spot, (making Mark a terrific slot wr) and give Joe Flacco a deadly 1-2 combination with Mason on the other side.

We can always wait and draft a #1 WR next year, but will the opportunity to trade for a proven elite #1 wr still be there? Anquan Boldin? Chad Johnson? Terrell Owens? Plexico Burress?

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='bce086' post='154782' date='Feb 17 2009, 02:08 PM']^ 1 of those WR's obviously, not all[/quote]
but what if we did have all four.. think abouttt ittttt lol

[bce086]

TO would end up crying about not getting the ball, Plax would end up shooting TO in the leg, Chad would yell at the offense for sucking and go to dallas

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='bce086' post='154851' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:26 PM']TO would end up crying about not getting the ball, Plax would end up shooting TO in the leg, Chad would yell at the offense for sucking and go to dallas[/quote]

And Flacco would just stare at them blankly...Anybody want a cookie?

[ReED jucate]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='154845' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:23 PM']Are you saying Eddie Royal and Desean Jackson are Better than Derrek Mason and Mark Clayton? Are you saying 780 receiving yards and 8 tds is enough for a rookie WR to be considered great? Are you saying that a rookie WR will be on the same level as Boldin, T.O., Plex, Ocho Cinco, Larry Fitzgerald?

It's very rare for a rookie WR to have a big impact in their 1st year. Eddie Royal had a couple big games, he wasn't consistent throughout the entire season tho. Denver was constantly having to coming back from behind bcuz their defense (if you want to call it that) was terrible. So of course any WR on that team was going to have padded stats. They had no other choice then to throw the ball. Jackson on the other hand was the only healthy WR for the majority of the year for the Eagles so who else was McNabb to throw to?

Are you telling me that our 1st round WR is going to come in here and take the place of Mason or Clayton next season? Unless you think the Ravens will adopt a spread offense to accommodate their newly acquired WR? I think not...

So basically he'll be used as a 3rd WR for certain situations (aka Limited). Whereas, Boldin, T.O., Johnson, Burress, could all come in here and take Clayton's spot, (making Mark a terrific slot wr) and give Joe Flacco a deadly 1-2 combination with Mason on the other side.

We can always wait until next year to draft a #1 WR but will the opportunity to trade for a proven elite #1 wr still be there? Anquan Boldin? Chad Johnson? Terrell Owens? Plexico Burress?[/quote]

Don't even group Larry Fitz with those other 4 as I have never seen him Jaw at his coach or QB and he has never had negative headlines regarding behavior.

And I never said a rookie was going to replace anybody. Clayton and Mason are stays however Mason only has another year or 2. I'm sayin a balanced threat of 3 wr's coupled with 2 capable TE's in Heap and Quinn will result in a high powered offense. There are a lot of speed receivers available this draft and we are bound to get one of them and hopefully this time we have a rookie develope into what D. Williams and Figurs failed to become - a deep threat.

Why would you want some big Ego hassleing our young QB and taking up cap room we desperatley need when we have a plenty capable and well balanced offense already. And thats just the receivers, don't forget our phenominal RB's.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='bce086' post='154851' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:26 PM']TO would end up crying about not getting the ball, Plax would end up shooting TO in the leg, Chad would yell at the offense for sucking and go to dallas[/quote]
hahaha

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ReED jucate' post='154867' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:37 PM']Don't even group Larry Fitz with those other 4 as I have never seen him Jaw at his coach or QB and he has never had negative headlines regarding behavior.[/quote]

You're the one who brought him into this conversation. You brought up his rookie season basically suggesting that whatever WR we drafted could have the same kind of impact, as Larry Fitzgerald .

[quote]And I never said a rookie was going to replace anybody. Clayton and Mason are stays however Mason only has another year or 2. I'm sayin a balanced threat of 3 wr's coupled with 2 capable TE's in Heap and Quinn will result in a high powered offense. There are a lot of speed receivers available this draft and we are bound to get one of them and hopefully this time we have a rookie develope into what D. Williams and Figurs failed to become - a deep threat.[/quote]

You're saying that whoever we drafted could have an immediate impact on offense. I'm saying they can't have as big of an impact (the type of impact we need to take our offense to another level) as one of the leagues current elite WRs can (Boldin, Fitz, Owens, Burress, Johnson)

[quote]Why would you want some big Ego hassleing our young QB and taking up cap room we desperatley need when we have a plenty capable and well balanced offense already. And thats just the receivers, don't forget our phenominal RB's.[/quote]

Who's to say that Boldin would harass Flacco? The same goes for Owens, Plex, Cinco. You think a 1st year guy is gonna come in here and start swinging his sack around like he's top dog? Plzzz...

[20ReedsAll]

TO, Boldin, and Plax would come too expensive.
Plax and TO will be problems in the locker room.
TO he way too old.
If plax is not incarcerated, no way NY trades him; they need him.

Only real possibility is Chad Johnson. He is getting there in terms of age, but he will be productive up until the age of around 35. We could sign him to a 4 yr deal after trading something like a 3rd rounder for him. Johnson gets deep often, and Flacco already throws one of the best deep balls; they would be great for the next few years. This way, we could draft a CB in the 1st round since I'm pretty sure no big names will remain I'm free agency (dunta and aso will likely be tagged).