Jeremy Maclin

[RavensIQ]

Jeremy Maclin is not a Ted Ginn. In Ted Ginn's defense who did he have to throw the ball to him?

Jeremy Maclin is a WR over 6 feet tall with 4.2 forty type speed. He is 200 lbs now. He'll easily put on another 15 lbs once he's in the NFL. His hands are clutch and his route running is crisp. He makes players miss because he can make his cuts on a dime at full speed and not miss a beat. His acceleration is like no other. He can get to full speed in 2 steps. He's just one of those guys that you want to see get the ball in his hands. When he runs it's special. You know how you get excited when Ed Reed gets a hold of the ball or when Reggie Bush or Devin Hester is returning a punt or when Adrian Peterson gets a handoff? He's one of those kind of players.


Have you ever seen DeSean Jackson play? Have you ever seen DeSean Jackson return punts? Envision a better, taller, bigger, version of him.

I just don't understand what people see in him that make them question whether or not he'll be a good WR. Show me some film. Break it down for me. I must be missing something bcuz what i've seen so far in his 2 year collegiate career is something very promising. Those of you who doubt, tell me where you're getting your concerns from.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152825' date='Feb 11 2009, 04:38 PM']I just don't understand what people see in him that make them question whether or not he'll be a good WR. Show me some film. Break it down for me.[/quote]

haha.. same argument.. look at mark clayton in college.. he was unbelievable.. im not saying i wouldnt like to get maclin but i just dont think hes worth trading up for.. if for some reason he falls to 26 (which is HIGHLY unlikely), by all means, take him, but its not worth trading up and losing extra first day draft picks when we need depth all over the place i.e. (CB, OL, OLB)

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='152830' date='Feb 11 2009, 04:46 PM']haha.. same argument.. look at mark clayton in college.. he was unbelievable.. im not saying i wouldnt like to get maclin but i just dont think hes worth trading up for.. if for some reason he falls to 26 (which is HIGHLY unlikely), by all means, take him, but its not worth trading up and loosing extra first day draft picks when we need depth all over the place i.e. (CB, OL, OLB)[/quote]


Why does everyone like to compare one player to a completely different player. What does one players accomplishments have to do with the others?

Andrian Peterson was unbelievable in College at RB. Larry Fitzgerald was unbelievable in college. Payton Manning was unbelievable in college. Randy Moss was unbelievable in college.

Why do you have to compare him to a player that has taken 3 yrs to come around?

He's not Mark Clayton. He's 3 inches taller than Mark Clayton 10 pounds heavier than Mark Clayton. Faster than Mark Clayton. Had a better college career than Mark Clayton.

-Go to youtube and watch his highlights. He has more highlights from 1 season then most players have in their entire college and NFL careers combine.
-Watch anyone of his college games
-Look at all of the accomplishments he's earned in his short 2 year college career
-Check his skills
-Read his draft analysis
-Watch him play

But where do you get your doubts from? What makes you question him but praise Kenny Britt or Hakeems Nicks?


If Michael Crabtree didn't declare early Jeremy Maclin would have been the #1 WR in this years class. By the way...Mark Clayton wasn't even the 4th best wr in his class when he was drafted.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152881' date='Feb 11 2009, 05:36 PM']Why does everyone like to compare one player to a completely different player. What does one players accomplishments have to do with the others?

Andrian Peterson was unbelievable in College at RB. Larry Fitzgerald was unbelievable in college. Payton Manning was unbelievable in college. Randy Moss was unbelievable in college.

Why do you have to compare him to a player that has taken 3 yrs to come around?

He's not Mark Clayton. He's 3 inches taller than Mark Clayton 10 pounds heavier than Mark Clayton. Faster than Mark Clayton. Had a better college career than Mark Clayton.

-Go to youtube and watch his highlights. He has more highlights from 1 season then most players have in their entire college and NFL careers combine.
-Watch anyone of his college games
-Look at all of the accomplishments he's earned in his short 2 year college career
-Check his skills
-Read his draft analysis
-Watch him play

But where do you get your doubts from? What makes you question him but praise Kenny Britt or Hakeems Nicks?


If Michael Crabtree didn't declare early Jeremy Maclin would have been the #1 WR in this years class. By the way...Mark Clayton wasn't even the 4th best wr in his class when he was drafted.[/quote]

alright if you say i shouldnt have my doubts, at the same time whose to say he'll be a great player? you? that remains to be seen, but thats beside the point youre completely missing what im trying to say. as i said earlier, he IS a great talent, and if he falls to 26 BY ALL MEANS draft him, but why give up, say 3 picks, to move up in the draft 19 spots?.. if mccallister goes, look at our corners for next year.. if bart or ray go, look at our ILB, if jason brown goes, look at our OL situation.. do you really feel like maclin will make that much of an impact that we need to give away extra picks and money we wont have to sign him, when we NEED to fill voids for depth and even starters in some areas? keep in mind we still have D. Williams on the roster who started playing well before he got hurt.. cam praised him since the day he got here. .. again, maclin is going to be a great player. i agree with you on that. we'll just have to agree to disagree about trading up to get him

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152881' date='Feb 11 2009, 05:36 PM']But where do you get your doubts from? What makes you question him but praise Kenny Britt or Hakeems Nicks?[/quote]

What makes me praise those guys is that they are bigger, have better hands, run better routes and don't play in the spread. Maclin may be bigger than Ginn but he is very similar. There have been NUMEROUS players like Maclin. They can tear up the field with their speed and are college playmakers but in the NFL, they struggle to get off the line, have inconsistent hands and don't run good routes.

Desean Jackson is a special player but he has the same problem.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152881' date='Feb 11 2009, 05:36 PM']If Michael Crabtree didn't declare early Jeremy Maclin would have been the #1 WR in this years class. By the way...Mark Clayton wasn't even the 4th best wr in his class when he was drafted.[/quote]

yeah, and if clayton would have declared after his junior year when he put up All-American and All-Big 12 honors when he set school records with his 83 receptions, 1,425 yards, and 15 touchdowns in one season, he would have been a top WR prospect, too. keep in mind he played with AP, so there offense was run first, unlike the pass happy offense that maclin was in.

why take the risk of 3 draft picks for one player, when you can take three solid players and see who turns out the best?

and about your youtube comment, look here..

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or here:

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or here:

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[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='152918' date='Feb 11 2009, 06:15 PM']yeah, and if clayton would have declared after his junior year when he put up All-American and All-Big 12 honors when he set school records with his 83 receptions, 1,425 yards, and 15 touchdowns in one season, he would have been a top WR prospect, too. keep in mind he played with AP, so there offense was run first, unlike the pass happy offense that maclin was in.

why take the risk of 3 draft picks for one player, when you can take three solid players and see who turns out the best?

and about your youtube comment, look here..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulgiQFCREF8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulgiQFCREF8[/url]

or here:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIbmfagFAE&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIbmfagFAE...feature=related[/url]

or here:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UEZLNlyRSk&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UEZLNlyRSk...feature=related[/url][/quote]

3 draft picks? What are you talking about? And who cares what Mark Clayton has done. Is he a bum?

Are you suggesting we shouldn't draft Maclin cuz Mark Clayton is a bum?

Then why bring him into the discussion? I understand the point you are trying to make but it's irrelevant. Mark Clayton and Jeremy Maclin are not the same type of player.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152935' date='Feb 11 2009, 06:35 PM']3 draft picks? What are you talking about? And who cares what Mark Clayton has done. Is he a bum?

Are you suggesting we shouldn't draft Maclin cuz Mark Clayton is a bum?

Then why bring him into the discussion? I understand the point you are trying to make but it's irrelevant. Mark Clayton and Jeremy Maclin are not the same type of player.[/quote]

my point is.. im sure you were saying some of the same things about clayton in 05 as you are about maclin right now, and no he's not a bum.. it takes time for WRs to develop

if you arent going to give up draft picks, what exactly do you have in mind to move up in the draft?

[RavensIQ]

3 is a stretch.

Again I understand what you're saying but people say the same things about a lot of players. Just bcuz Clayton hasn't panned out doesn't mean Maclin shares the same fate. That's like saying I ate a bad chalupa from Taco Bell so all Chalupas from any Taco Bell will be bad.

Or...maybe the guy that made your chalupa sucks at making chalupas?

To come in as the 3rd wr would do wonders for our offense. Maclin lined up on a nickle or LB is a mismatch. He's too fast.

Verticle route down the field doesn't require much experience. No one is staying stride for stride with him. No one is out running Flacco's arm...see what I'm getting at here.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152958' date='Feb 11 2009, 07:00 PM']To come in as the 3rd wr would do wonders for our offense. Maclin lined up on a nickle or LB is a mismatch. He's too fast.

Verticle route down the field doesn't require much experience. No one is staying stride for stride with him. No one is out running Flacco's arm...see what I'm getting at here.[/quote]

But why would the team pick a receiver at the 26th pick to be a slot receiver? Maclin has the tools to be special but trading up for someone like him would be a reach. If he falls and the best corners are off the board, the Ravens should get him.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152958' date='Feb 11 2009, 07:00 PM']3 is a stretch.

Again I understand what you're saying but people say the same things about a lot of players. Just bcuz Clayton hasn't panned out doesn't mean Maclin shares the same fate. That's like saying I ate a bad chalupa from Taco Bell so all Chalupas from any Taco Bell will be bad.

Or...maybe the guy that made your chalupa sucks at making chalupas?

To come in as the 3rd wr would do wonders for our offense. Maclin lined up on a nickle or LB is a mismatch. He's too fast.

Verticle route down the field doesn't require much experience. No one is staying stride for stride with him. No one is out running Flacco's arm...see what I'm getting at here.[/quote]

yeah i see exactly what youre saying, but if what youre looking for is a #3 wr to line up 8-10 times a game to create mis-matches, whats wrong with figurs or williams?.. again.. i am all for a wr in the first round if the right guy is available, but i really do think we would have to give up 3 picks to get in the top 10

[Ed_Reed20]

If the team is going to trade up to get any receiver, it should be Crabtree.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='152973' date='Feb 11 2009, 07:18 PM']If the team is going to trade up to get any receiver, it should be Crabtree.[/quote]

Yup, but if the price tag is too high, I love me some Percy Harvin.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152825' date='Feb 11 2009, 04:38 PM']Jeremy Maclin is not a Ted Ginn. In Ted Ginn's defense who did he have to throw the ball to him?

Jeremy Maclin is a WR over 6 feet tall with 4.2 forty type speed. He is 200 lbs now. He'll easily put on another 15 lbs once he's in the NFL. His hands are clutch and his route running is crisp. He makes players miss because he can make his cuts on a dime at full speed and not miss a beat. His acceleration is like no other. He can get to full speed in 2 steps. He's just one of those guys that you want to see get the ball in his hands. When he runs it's special. You know how you get excited when Ed Reed gets a hold of the ball or when Reggie Bush or Devin Hester is returning a punt or when Adrian Peterson gets a handoff? He's one of those kind of players.


Have you ever seen DeSean Jackson play? Have you ever seen DeSean Jackson return punts? Envision a better, taller, bigger, version of him.

I just don't understand what people see in him that make them question whether or not he'll be a good WR. Show me some film. Break it down for me. I must be missing something bcuz what i've seen so far in his 2 year collegiate career is something very promising. Those of you who doubt, tell me where you're getting your concerns from.[/quote]

Hey IQ,

I'm not saying that Maclin will not be a good NFL WR. All i'm saying is that he mostly used his speed to dominate in college. It won't be that easy in the NFL. So he much like a Ted Ginn, will have to find other ways to be that great WR. Speed alone won't cut it. I haven't watched much Mizzo games, so i can't really comment on the guys route running abilties. However from what i did see from them, he didn't run many NFL routes and the routes he did run didn't have to be crisp because of his speed.

If Maclin can prove to be a above average route running and show good toughest in the NFL, then i have no doubts that he will be a standout WR.

[shaikh015]

He may not have the size of other wideouts in the draft..However with the Ravens Ability to Block on designed plays He can run effectively using the blocks and turn into a Route running threat in the backfield for the offense....

[BloodRaven]

He doesnt run good routes. And fast guys that dont run routes well dont do well.

Bust.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

I got a Maclin jersey for christmas...If he went to the ravens it would be just that perfect.

[20ReedsAll]

I've been thinking that the Ravens should not trade up and just draft the best WR/CB remaining. If teams decide to go mainly WR before us, a good CB will remain and vice versa.

WR wise, this is my wish list (player I wouldn't mind seeing in a ravens uniform, no matter what round we get him in):

1) Micheal Crabtree
2) Jeremy Maclin
3) DHB
4) Kenny Britt
5) Percy Harvin
6) Hakeem Nicks
7) Derrick Williams
8) Louis Murphy (6'3" 4.3 40 = wow)
9) Ramses Barden

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' post='154612' date='Feb 17 2009, 12:56 AM']I've been thinking that the Ravens should not trade up and just draft the best WR/CB remaining. If teams decide to go mainly WR before us, a good CB will remain and vice versa.

WR wise, this is my wish list (player I wouldn't mind seeing in a ravens uniform, no matter what round we get him in):

1) Micheal Crabtree
2) Jeremy Maclin
3) DHB
4) Kenny Britt
5) Percy Harvin
6) Hakeem Nicks
7) Derrick Williams
8) Louis Murphy (6'3" 4.3 40 = wow)
9) Ramses Barden[/quote]
i completely agree with the statement.... as for the wishlist, i would probably trade spots between barden and williams, but other than that looks good to me