Jeremy Maclin

[ravensfan160]

I think its fair to say that if we only got one player for next season the one that would have the biggest impact is a speedy deep threat WR. Barring a trade for Boldin which I believe would be a massive waste, the only rookie WR that could make that sort of impact right away is Maclin. Other options like DNB or Hakeem Nicks are a bit raw and Crabtree will almost certainly go 4th overall.

Maclin on the other hand may fall into the late teens or early 20's if the Jaguars pass on him at #8. I think its about 50-50 right now that they take him or a defensive player. So if he does start to fall I say we trade whatever it takes to get him with the exception of our 2nd rounder since we will need that for a CB. Our team is on the cusp of greatness and Maclin would put us over the top. Thoughts...

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='152111' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:12 PM']I think its fair to say that if we only got one player for next season the one that would have the biggest impact is a speedy deep threat WR. Barring a trade for Boldin which I believe would be a massive waste, the only rookie WR that could make that sort of impact right away is Maclin. Other options like DNB or Hakeem Nicks are a bit raw and Crabtree will almost certainly go 4th overall.

Maclin on the other hand may fall into the late teens or early 20's if the Jaguars pass on him at #8. I think its about 50-50 right now that they take him or a defensive player. So if he does start to fall I say we trade whatever it takes to get him with the exception of our 2nd rounder since we will need that for a CB. Our team is on the cusp of greatness and Maclin would put us over the top. Thoughts...[/quote]


I really like Maclin. He is one of those hold your breath guys, everytime he touches the ball you hold your breath with anticapation. However i don't think Maclin will be on the Ravens radar. I don't think he fits what we are trying to do. I know many will say that Maclin fits any system and i agree, however the Ravens offense is about being pyshical. If you go back and think about of Cam Cameron's offense in SD(he wasn't at Miami long enough). Cam likes big pyshical WRs, now Maclin does have nice size at 6'1 200, but i think Cam wants to start bringing in those 6'3 and above guys that can run well. I think the Ravens will be more then happy with what Clayton can give them out of the slot, it's just a matter of putting 2 capable guys on the outside.

Like i mentioned before i think Maclin will be specail, but we also have to remember that Maclin played in a wide open offense, that was all about spreading the defense and getting the ball in his hands. Those quick slants and slip screens that were run in Mizzo, won't be as easy in the NFL. Now with that being said i still think the guy will be successfull, I just don't think the Ravens will traget him and definately not trade up for him.

[RavensIQ]

About Maclin being taken by the Jaguars, I don't see it happening. Jacksonville was decimated with O-line injuries last year and one of their biggest concerns for a longtime now has been offensive tackle. I think they select Jason Smith here at number 8 assuming they don't try to trade back (with us for Malcolm Jenkins) .

I think Oakland goes OT either Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith. WR is a need but Oakland need to seriously beef up their core on both sides of the ball. DHB will put up a monster forty time and given his strength and size Al Davis might be to intrigued to pass him by. Al Davis is for some reason a combine workout gold digger but maybe he'll be more self controlled this year and address the major needs (O-line & Defense).

I think we'll make a trade (w/Jacksonville) for Malcolm Jenkins b4 we make one for a WR. If Jenkins goes off the board 1st then I see us trying to make a play on Maclin or DHB.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152138' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:52 PM']About Maclin being taken by the Jaguars, I don't see it happening. Jacksonville was decimated with O-line injuries last year and one of their biggest concerns for a longtime now has been offensive tackle. I think they select Jason Smith here at number 8 assuming they don't try to trade back (with us for Malcolm Jenkins) .

I think Oakland goes OT either Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith. WR is a need but Oakland need to seriously beef up their core on both sides of the ball. DHB will put up a monster forty time and given his strength and size Al Davis might be to intrigued to pass him by. Al Davis is for some reason a combine workout gold digger but maybe he'll be more self controlled this year and address the major needs (O-line & Defense).

I think we'll make a trade (w/Jacksonville) for Malcolm Jenkins b4 we make one for a WR. If Jenkins goes off the board 1st then I see us trying to make a play on Maclin or DHB.[/quote]

I think the only way we get a shot at Jenkins is if he slips out of the top 10. I don't see that happening unless he has a very poor combine. I would love to have Jenkins but i don't think it's possible so i won't even get myself worked up over it.

As far as trading up for Maclin or DHB. I have already shared my opinions about Maclin, and i feel the same about DHB. Although he has the size that Cam would be lookin for, i don't think he is polsihed enough to warrant a 1st round pick. I know i will upset a lot of people with this next statement, but i think DHB could be another Travis Taylor. A fast raw WR. Now i do think TT would have been a pretty good WR with better coaching and the right system, but he still wouldn't have amounted to a 1st round pick. I think the Ravens would definately take a shot at DHB in the 2nd round but not in the 1st and definately not give up extra picks just to get him.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152138' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:52 PM']About Maclin being taken by the Jaguars, I don't see it happening. Jacksonville was decimated with O-line injuries last year and one of their biggest concerns for a longtime now has been offensive tackle. I think they select Jason Smith here at number 8 assuming they don't try to trade back (with us for Malcolm Jenkins) .

I think Oakland goes OT either Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith. WR is a need but Oakland need to seriously beef up their core on both sides of the ball. DHB will put up a monster forty time and given his strength and size Al Davis might be to intrigued to pass him by. Al Davis is for some reason a combine workout gold digger but maybe he'll be more self controlled this year and address the major needs (O-line & Defense).

I think we'll make a trade (w/Jacksonville) for Malcolm Jenkins b4 we make one for a WR. If Jenkins goes off the board 1st then I see us trying to make a play on Maclin or DHB.[/quote]
You're right about Jacksonville needing O-Line help but that was because of injuries. Presumably they should be healthy and ready to go next year. Other than that their receivers really stunk up the place. I remember the announcers talking about that a lot when we played them in week 17. But anyway thats a good thing. I hope they go offensive line because I want Maclin.

[52Kia Kaha92]

NO maclin is overrated and comes from a spread offense, i would rather have DHB as he is faster and is a stud at blocking

If we trade up it will be for Jenkins, i thinkwe will trade down thought to pick up DHB and get an extra third rounder

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='152277' date='Feb 9 2009, 09:41 PM']NO maclin is overrated and comes from a spread offense, i would rather have DHB as he is faster and is a stud at blocking

If we trade up it will be for Jenkins, i thinkwe will trade down thought to pick up DHB and get an extra third rounder[/quote]


Have you ever seen Maclin play?? Maclin is a BEAST!! He's a monster on punt/kick returns. He's incredibly fast. He's deadly in open field. He can take one to the house on any given play. When he runs it's like watching a blurr go cross the screen. By the way, Maclin runs better routes and has better hands then DHB by a long shot.

He's like a taller Desean Jackson.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI"]Maclin Highlights[/url]

Joe Flacco is 24yrs old
Jeremy Maclin is 20yrs old

They would set all kinds of records. Speed like that with arm strength like that = unstoppable force.

Jeremy Maclin would be the Ravens offensive version of Ed Reed (but faster)

[52Kia Kaha92]

think what you like but Maclin plays in a spread offence where they run screens and do things that wont work in the NFl to get him the ball in open space, ill take DHB evry day of the week

[RavensIQ]

DHB nor Maclin will find their way into the starting lineup in 09. But Maclin would be our return guy and our punt return guy. He'll be a replacement for Figurs and Leonhard. 3 positions with 1 player...DHB will just come in on situational downs kinda like Smith did this year. Don't get me wrong I like DHB, but he's only 1 inch taller than Maclin. Practically the same weight which means Maclin is packing more muscle mass.

Maclin is 20, offers great hands, route running, playmaking, kick returning, punt returning, deep threat, agility, allusiveness, overall excellent football skills and he can make players miss.

DHB is 21, he's raw, has poor route running, has good hands but not great, he's fast in open field but he's not deadly, he's strong, and he can jump up and get the ball.

More upside with Maclin. That's why all the scouts have him as the #2 WR coming into this draft. I don't think you understand how deadly Jeremy Maclin truly is.

There's fast, really fast, really really fast, lightening fast, what-was-that fast? and then there's...Jeremy Maclin fast.

[hitman124]

Ive read that Oakland are going to take him at #7?

[RavensIQ]

That would suck.

[ZIBBY28]

should we trade up? IMO, absolutely not. players like Darius H-B have just as much, if not more upside than maclin. dont get me wrong, hes great but how far would you move up to get him? you never know who will take him. giving up extra picks isnt a good idea because we have depth issues all over the place so we need all the picks we can get. players like leonhard will already be FA's by then, so we dont really have that option of trading, and finally, the further you move up in the draft, the more you have to pay these guys. The ravens are going to have to break the bank this offseason to sign their in-house players, and we wont have that extra money to spend, but again, that is just my opinion.

[RavensIQ]

Maclin, Crabtree, Jenkins, and Davis are really the only players that stick out to me as must-draft type of prospects. Well, as far as CB/WR goes. If we don't make a play on those 4 players or if they simply aren't around by the time we select I think it becomes OL/OLB.

Specifically:
[b]OL/TE[/b]
-Alex Mack
-Duke Robinson
-Jason Smith
-Brandon Pettigrew
-Eugene Monroe
-Andre Smith
[b]DE/OLB[/b]
-Clint Sintim
-Larry English
-Michael Johnson
-Aaron Maybin

In order:

1. Jason Smith
2. Eugene Monroe
3. Duke Robinson
4. Alex Mack
5. Andre Smith
6. Aaron Maybin
7. Brandon Pettigrew
8. Michael Johnson
9. Clint Sintim
10. Larry English

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' post='152351' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:30 AM']should we trade up? IMO, absolutely not. players like Darius H-B have just as much, if not more upside than maclin. dont get me wrong, hes great but how far would you move up to get him? you never know who will take him. giving up extra picks isnt a good idea because we have depth issues all over the place so we need all the picks we can get. players like leonhard will already be FA's by then, so we dont really have that option of trading, and finally, the further you move up in the draft, the more you have to pay these guys. The ravens are going to have to break the bank this offseason to sign their in-house players, and we wont have that extra money to spend, but again, that is just my opinion.[/quote]

I would trade as far as #4 for Crabtree depending on what we would have to give up to get him.

But realistically, I would trade from 8-12 for Jenkins if he was still available by #7. I would trade from 12-17 for Maclin if he was still around by #9.

[ZIBBY28]

i think jenkins would be more realistic, because CB is a necessity, especially because it looks like we're letting go of c-mac.. i just dont feel like giving up extra picks to move up in the first round is worth it when there is players like DHB that could possibly still be around by 26.. we need depth at the CB position, WR, OLB/ILB (depending on what happens with ray, bart, and suggs), DE, OL, FB and TE... the more picks the better!!!!

[RavensIQ]

But if you're going to make the investment and draft a WR in the 1st round why not get the best WR available?

Would you rather spend a little extra to rent a Rolls Royce to drive to work for a year or pay a little less to drive a Ford Focus to work for a year? They're both cars that can get you from point A to point B efficiently...

[BloodRaven]

Maclin = Meh

[H8R]

Crabtree is the only NFL ready WR in the DRAFT IMO. Maclin and DHB have physical tools, no question but would not be starters or our roster . Ofcourse someone from the draft will come right out and be a starter at wide receiver, but it will be from scheme not directly linked to the talant of the WR.

[travis]

i dont think we should i dont believe he is as good as people are thinking

[52Kia Kaha92]

the last three posters are dead on

[RavensIQ]

o_0

Jeremy Maclin will be a superstar in this league.

This guy is a monster. Those of you who say he's not worthy of a 1st round pick or for trading up just don't know.

He's only 20...In his freshman year he set a record for single season all purpose yards in NCAA history.

In his 2 years in college he's racked up 5, 609 yards, 182 receptions, 33 touchdowns, and 5 touchdowns returning the ball.

He runs a 4.2 forty, He's 6'1'' 200 lbs.
He has excellent hands
He runs excellent routes
He is a playmaker
He return punts
He returns kicks
He's one of the best return specialist in the entire NCAA

What more do you want in a 1st round WR?

He's only going to get faster, stronger, quicker, and more agile once he's in the NFL. For goodness sakes he's only 20!!

You guys just don't know. I'm telling you he is going to be one of the best WRs in the NFL one day.

[RoflDogs]

to tell you the truth, DHB has better route running than Maclin,
Maclin runs very few routes, (mostly crossings, screens, and slants)
and all his plays are from the open field which the ravens RARELY to NEVER use for WRs (I would like to see a clip of a WR screen from this year)
he has speed, but his deep threat ability is never shown because of the spread.

DHB, I don't have much insight on him because his big plays usually come from end arounds or screens or the deep ball (one thing over Maclin). DHB doesn't have many catches because of the heavy-run style of MD

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='152636' date='Feb 10 2009, 08:59 PM']to tell you the truth, DHB has better route running than Maclin,...


[b]...DHB, I don't have much insight on him[/b][/quote]


Yeah, Obviously you don't. One of DHB's major knocks coming out of college is his sloppy route running. That's one of the Main reason Scouts have him currently ranked as the 5th best WR in this draft.

Maclin already has superior WR skills. DHB is still raw.Some have Maclin projected as a top 10 WR.

[purple52-92-20pain]

wrong thread, I know, but we should TRY to pick up either bryant or housh in FA

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152353' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:35 AM'][b]Maclin, Crabtree, Jenkins, and Davis [/b]are really the only players that stick out to me as must-draft type of prospects. Well, as far as CB/WR goes. If we don't make a play on those 4 players or if they simply aren't around by the time we select I think it becomes OL/OLB.

Specifically:
[b]OL/TE[/b]
-Alex Mack
-Duke Robinson
-Jason Smith
-Brandon Pettigrew
-Eugene Monroe
-Andre Smith
[b]DE/OLB[/b]
-Clint Sintim
-Larry English
-Michael Johnson
-Aaron Maybin

In order:

1. Jason Smith
2. Eugene Monroe
3. Duke Robinson
4. Alex Mack
5. Andre Smith
6. Aaron Maybin
7. Brandon Pettigrew
8. Michael Johnson
9. Clint Sintim
10. Larry English[/quote]
You and I seem to be in almost complete agreement. We made it to the AFC Championship game last year. We need immediate impact players. Those are the only 4 that can provide that so I say we need to do whatever it takes to grab one. Guys like DHB are great for the future but won't make much impact next season. If we hope to beat the Steelers next year we need a difference maker at either WR or CB so it must be one of those four guys.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='152758' date='Feb 11 2009, 12:46 PM']You and I seem to be in almost complete agreement. We made it to the AFC Championship game last year. We need immediate impact players. Those are the only 4 that can provide that so I say we need to do whatever it takes to grab one. Guys like DHB are great for the future but won't make much impact next season. If we hope to beat the Steelers next year we need a difference maker at either WR or CB so it must be one of those four guys.[/quote]

How do you know for sure that those 4 guys can/will make impact and the others can't make an quick impact? There are guys every year in the draft that people say are NFL ready, and don't pan out. Then on the other hand you have guys that people say will be a project and turn out to be impact on their team. Hell just look at our own team for proof. People said Flacco would be a 2-3 year project because of where he came from. Well the kid busted his ******, stepped in from game one and performed. Look at Gaither, everyone was yelling and screaming for a franchise LT in last years draft, because Gaither was too raw. Well look how that turned out, he didn't make people forget JO, but he didn't allow JO's retirement to be a story.

You can look at others around the league like, McFadden, Dorsey, and the LB kid from Ohio state that went to the Jets. People said they were all can't miss propsect and u didn't hear much from them at all this season, while guys like Forte, C. Johnson, Eddie Royal, and some of the lesser known rookies on draft day had better seasons.

The point i'm trying to make is that you can't just assume that Crabtree and Maclin are the only WR that can make an immediate impact because of the years they had in college. Because there are so much more that goes into these things other then talent. What if the 2 of those guys go to RUN first teams and can't adapt to not being in a spread offense? It has just as much to do with the situation and scheme as the player's talent.

At 26th and any other selection we have, the Ravens to do take the player that they feel can help their team the most like they do every year. Not the guys that the so called guru's say are can't miss.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='152771' date='Feb 11 2009, 01:47 PM']How do you know for sure that those 4 guys can/will make impact and the others can't make an quick impact? There are guys every year in the draft that people say are NFL ready, and don't pan out. Then on the other hand you have guys that people say will be a project and turn out to be impact on their team. Hell just look at our own team for proof. People said Flacco would be a 2-3 year project because of where he came from. Well the kid busted his ******, stepped in from game one and performed. Look at Gaither, everyone was yelling and screaming for a franchise LT in last years draft, because Gaither was too raw. Well look how that turned out, he didn't make people forget JO, but he didn't allow JO's retirement to be a story.

You can look at others around the league like, McFadden, Dorsey, and the LB kid from Ohio state that went to the Jets. People said they were all can't miss propsect and u didn't hear much from them at all this season, while guys like Forte, C. Johnson, Eddie Royal, and some of the lesser known rookies on draft day had better seasons.

The point i'm trying to make is that you can't just assume that Crabtree and Maclin are the only WR that can make an immediate impact because of the years they had in college. Because there are so much more that goes into these things other then talent. What if the 2 of those guys go to RUN first teams and can't adapt to not being in a spread offense? It has just as much to do with the situation and scheme as the player's talent.

At 26th and any other selection we have, the Ravens to do take the player that they feel can help their team the most like they do every year. Not the guys that the so called guru's say are can't miss.[/quote]
You're absolutely right. DHB for example could totally outperform Maclin. Its very difficult to know though who is going to bust. Just ask the Lions. We as fans can only go with what we see and hear on tv and the resounding thought is that those 4 players are the best (by a signifigant margin) at their positions. Thats what the experts are saying.

That said I have full faith in Ozzie Newsome and barring a pick completely out of right field (say a QB or something) I will support whoever he chooses especially in the first round.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152629' date='Feb 10 2009, 08:33 PM']o_0

Jeremy Maclin will be a superstar in this league.

This guy is a monster. Those of you who say he's not worthy of a 1st round pick or for trading up just don't know.

What more do you want in a 1st round WR?

He's only going to get faster, stronger, quicker, and more agile once he's in the NFL. For goodness sakes he's only 20!!

You guys just don't know. I'm telling you he is going to be one of the best WRs in the NFL one day.[/quote]

thats what we said about mark clayton in '05 when we took him in the first round, too...

[Ed_Reed20]

Maclin has the speed and playmaking ability but the team needs someone who really knows how to play the receiver position(like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt). It may take Maclin two or three years to really learn the fundamentals of the position.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='152812' date='Feb 11 2009, 03:50 PM']Maclin has the speed and playmaking ability but the team needs someone who really knows how to play the receiver position(like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt). It may take Maclin two or three years to really learn the fundamentals of the position.[/quote]

I think Maclin will turn out to be like a Ted Ginn. A guy that was unstoppable in college because of his speed but just another WR in the NFL. Now i'm not saying that either of the 2 (Ginn or Maclin) will never be good WRs. However the things that made them great in college won't be the same ine the NFL. You can't run pass everyone in this league. That is why Reggie Bush is still trying to find his way instead of being the special back that everyone thought.