Bce086's Potential Draft

[bce086]

ROUND 1
Darrius Heyward-Bey
College: UMD
Position: WR
Height: 6-2. Weight: 206.
Projected 40 Time: 4.37.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.

ROUND 2
Jairus Byrd
Position: CB
College: Oregon
Height: 6-0. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.


ROUND 3
Ramses Barden
Position: WR
College: Cal Poly
Height: 6-6 Weight: 227
40 Time: 4.59
Projected Round: 3-4


ROUND 4
Kevin Barnes
Position: CB
College: UMD
Height: 6-1. Weight: 188.
Projected 40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5


ROUND 5
Kyle Moore
Position: DE
College: Southern Cal
Height: 6-5 Weight: 265
40 Time: 4.87
Projected Round: 5

ROUND 6
Quinn Johnson
Position: FB Pos2: LB
College: LSU
Height: 6-1 Weight: 251
40 Time: 4.67
Projected Round: 6

What do you guys think of these selections?

[Shawn`]

I don't think Heyward Bey is going to drop down to our pick, so I'd assume we'd go for the best CB available then go for a WR in the second round but other than that I think its a good PD. Addresses our needs and good picks dude.

[Ravensfan23]

That would not be a bad draft although i would rather have Britt over Bey, but wouldn't mind Bey at all. I think we need a WR that runs good routes and gets open all over the field not just a speed guy for a deep threat.

As for the other picks, hey who knows? However i wouldn't be happy with the pick of Quinn Johnson. I watched a lot of LSU games on CBS and that guy doesn't do a good job of blocking. He is a good pass catcher out of the backfield but a FB is suppose to block first and foremost. I do agree that we need another FB especially if we are gonna continue to just McClain as a RB. However i was much more impressed with the overall efforts and techniques of Tony Fiammetta of Syracuse and Eric Kettani of Navy.

I watched both those guys at the Senior Bowl and both hit the whole with aurthority, delivering good solid blocks. Johnson on the other hand looks loss when trying to block but great when catching passes. If anyone still has the Senior Bowl record and could go back to watch this i would love to hear your opinions. I know many people don't care about FB's but I like to watch every position of need for the Ravens when i watch the Senior Bowl.

[bce086]

Quinn Johnson is primarily a blocking fullback... watch some of his other games. He doesn't have good hands, and doesn't get many touch on the ball. IMO he is a clone of Leronzo Neal. Good size, good work ethic, team player.

Im not familar with Fiammetta, but Eric Kettani looks decent too.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='bce086' post='152125' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:05 PM']Quinn Johnson is primarily a blocking fullback... watch some of his other games. He doesn't have good hands, and doesn't get many touch on the ball. IMO he is a clone of Leronzo Neal. Good size, good work ethic, team player.

Im not familar with Fiammetta, but Eric Kettani looks decent too.[/quote]


I like Johnson's size, but i don't think he is one of the better FB's in this draft. With us being one of the few teams that still truely value the FB, we usually are able to draft the top 1 or 2 FB's. I view Johnson like another Justin Green. He has good size and could do some good things from that FB position, but i don't think he is that ideal FB. Of course i could be wrong but i would much rather have one of the other 2 guys and pass on Johnson.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

I love the Kevin Barnes pick, good size and really good speed. I have watched him play and he seems like he could be a good player in a year or two. I think he could come in as a nickel guy and be groomed for the future

[bce086]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='152164' date='Feb 9 2009, 03:32 PM']I love the Kevin Barnes pick, good size and really good speed. I have watched him play and he seems like he could be a good player in a year or two. I think he could come in as a nickel guy and be groomed for the future[/quote]


I went to highschool with Barnes... he's a great player, have watched him since his freshman year in highschool. The dude can play. Only reason his stock dropped so much was his injury... and being on UMD which just plain couldn't win games.

He's a hard worker, well rounded, and good teamplayer. He's got the size and physicalness the Raven's look for.

[FerrariFan87]

I am hopeful Heyward-Bey will fall to us at 26, but I am not holding my breath..

We are also in need of a difference-maker at TE, Heap is great, but isn't what he used to be

[bce086]

IMO, Heap will be fine when he gets more in rhytem with Flacco and running more routes... Don't forget we also have Quinn who showed some good capabilities last year.

[52Kia Kaha92]

DHB will easily be at our pick,
BTW love this draft, fills our two biggest needs,
I love Bryd in the second, i lov DHB in the first, i love Barden in the third, i love barnes in the fourth, i love Johnson in the 6th (the guy is a Neal clone, a blocking beast), and Kyle moore i like but i think hell go higher than the fifth

This draft gives us somethign we dont hvae at CB or WR, size and physicality, i love it

[Whole-Gash]

One thing that we could possibly do is sign Leohnard and trade him for an early second and a fifth, then also trade Rolle or McAllister for a fifth, then trade both fifth's for a third.

Then with the early second rounder we added we can get Sean Smith, the next best CB if he's taken, or an OT if that's the best pick; and with our extra third rounder get Fili Moala cause we could use DT. I like your draft though and think this would be a decent addition to it if we can execute it.

[52Kia Kaha92]

no one would take leonhard for a 2nd and fifth, and im pretty sure Jim wouldnt not sign if he knew he was gonna be traded

[bce086]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='152279' date='Feb 9 2009, 09:44 PM']This draft gives us somethign we dont hvae at CB or WR, size and physicality, i love it[/quote]


And thats exactly what we need

[travis]

i think we should look more in to hakim nicks he is a very good player he is a great route runner with good hands

[bce086]

Nicks is a great route runner, and has the size we are looking for.

On the contrary, he isn't very fast, and doesn't gain many YAC. I'm tired of watching our recievers catch a 6 yard pass and fall on the ground.

If DHB doesn't fall to us, I think Id rather have Britt over Nicks (in the 2nd round)

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='bce086' post='152740' date='Feb 11 2009, 11:46 AM']Nicks is a great route runner, and has the size we are looking for.

On the contrary, he isn't very fast, and doesn't gain many YAC. I'm tired of watching our recievers catch a 6 yard pass and fall on the ground.

If DHB doesn't fall to us, I think Id rather have Britt over Nicks (in the 2nd round)[/quote]

I don't think the Ravens would even take Nicks. I completely agree with everything you said, however i think the Ravens would view Nicks as the same type of WR as Marcus Smith. If the Ravens drafted Nicks i get the feeling that he and Smith would be used in the same manner and i don't think that would do that. I look for them to take one of the taller WRs in this years draft.

Someone else will have a much higher grade on Nicks then the Ravens will and there for be willing to either trade up or out right just select him before the Ravens would have a chance in round 2. Although much like Britt i don't see him making it out of the bottom half of the first and if he does he won't last past 10 in round 2. Of course this all depends on his showing at the combine.

I feel the Ravens think very highly of Smith and will give him every opportunity to see the field in Training Camp. Because of Smith already being on this roster i think Nicks is off the Ravens broad and would dangle him as trade bait if given the change.

[FlaccosFlock]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='152778' date='Feb 11 2009, 02:14 PM']I don't think the Ravens would even take Nicks. I completely agree with everything you said, however i think the Ravens would view Nicks as the same type of WR as Marcus Smith. If the Ravens drafted Nicks i get the feeling that he and Smith would be used in the same manner and i don't think that would do that. I look for them to take one of the taller WRs in this years draft.

Someone else will have a much higher grade on Nicks then the Ravens will and there for be willing to either trade up or out right just select him before the Ravens would have a chance in round 2. Although much like Britt i don't see him making it out of the bottom half of the first and if he does he won't last past 10 in round 2. Of course this all depends on his showing at the combine.

I feel the Ravens think very highly of Smith and will give him every opportunity to see the field in Training Camp. Because of Smith already being on this roster i think Nicks is off the Ravens broad and would dangle him as trade bait if given the change.[/quote]

I don't think that you can compare Marcus Smith and Hakeem Nicks. They are different players in that Nicks has extremely good hands and spectacular catch ability. Nicks may not have to highest forty time, but he does have game speed plus he has the "IT" factor. Those are four attributes you can't teach players. By the way Marcus Smith is a converted running back to wide receiver. Smith has decent hands, but they aren't spectacular. There is no way that you can compare Marcus Smith to Hakeem Nicks in my opinion.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='FlaccosFlock' post='153111' date='Feb 12 2009, 12:13 AM']I don't think that you can compare Marcus Smith and Hakeem Nicks. They are different players in that Nicks has extremely good hands and spectacular catch ability. Nicks may not have to highest forty time, but he does have game speed plus he has the "IT" factor. Those are four attributes you can't teach players. By the way Marcus Smith is a converted running back to wide receiver. Smith has decent hands, but they aren't spectacular. There is no way that you can compare Marcus Smith to Hakeem Nicks in my opinion.[/quote]

I'm not comparing them as players and production, i'm just saying that they will be used the same way in Cam Cameron's offense. Even though he didn't get many passes thrown his way, it seemed like the Ravens were pretty high on Smith, from Training camp until seasons end. Like i said before i feel Nicks and Smith would be used the same way and you don't draft another guy to do what u already have someone to do.

Some of the same things your said about Nicks could have been said about Smith coming out of Nex Mexico. The difference is Nicks played in the ACC and Smith played in New Mexico where no one saw him until the Senior Bowl. Even though Smith was a converted RB he has just as much production as Nicks. Now that doesn't say much because like you said before you can't compare them, but Smith has what it takes to be a NFL WR.

Now i have nothing against Nicks. However many poeple didn't even know him before the bowl game and the one handed catch. Now that is not a knock on Nicks, it just that some fans tend to over hype the latest sensation. I wouldn't mind one bit if the Ravens drafted Nicks, however i just feel that the presence of Marcus Smith will keep the Ravens from selecting Nicks.

[FlaccosFlock]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' post='153123' date='Feb 12 2009, 12:47 AM']I'm not comparing them as players and production, i'm just saying that they will be used the same way in Cam Cameron's offense. Even though he didn't get many passes thrown his way, it seemed like the Ravens were pretty high on Smith, from Training camp until seasons end. Like i said before i feel Nicks and Smith would be used the same way and you don't draft another guy to do what u already have someone to do.

Some of the same things your said about Nicks could have been said about Smith coming out of Nex Mexico. The difference is Nicks played in the ACC and Smith played in New Mexico where no one saw him until the Senior Bowl. Even though Smith was a converted RB he has just as much production as Nicks. Now that doesn't say much because like you said before you can't compare them, but Smith has what it takes to be a NFL WR.

Now i have nothing against Nicks. However many poeple didn't even know him before the bowl game and the one handed catch. Now that is not a knock on Nicks, it just that some fans tend to over hype the latest sensation. I wouldn't mind one bit if the Ravens drafted Nicks, however i just feel that the presence of Marcus Smith will keep the Ravens from selecting Nicks.[/quote]

Yeah I see what you are saying about Marcus Smith. I just think that Cam would be more than able to use Nicks especially in the redzone. I live in North Carolina and have watched Nicks all year so I'm not one of those people who just jumped on his band wagon. I'm not a UNC fan, but all my friends are so I got to watch him a lot. I just feel that he has an extra gear that most players don't have and I think Cam would love to have him. By the way another UNC player that everyone should watch out for is WR Brandon Tate. He has blazing speed and good hands. Not to mention he is an excellent punt returner and kick returner. He hurt his knee during the middle of the season, but I heard from his brother that he should be ready for the combine.

[ZIBBY28]

couldnt agree more with your picks.. load up on the best available CB's and WR's and some people might not like it but i dont think mcclain is the greatest FB in the world, especially this year after he lost some weight to get a bulk of the carries.. i hope neal gives us one more year but i think its smart to take one late