Asomugha Or A Deep Threat Wr? Thoughts

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Mazda' post='152281' date='Feb 9 2009, 09:48 PM']source?[/quote]

Me and Jesus play racquetball on Monday's. I told him if I beat him by 3 he has to tell me what's the deal with Asomugha. If he beats me by 3 I'll stop picking on my boss.

Needless to say, I won

[Corvus]

Speculation is nice and it is fun but I doubt we are gonna make a big "splash" as they say in free agency this year. Why does everyone seem to forget we have our own big name free agents, guys who are already top flight players and even better, already know our systems. Seems to me that a lot of fans get wrapped up in the "name game" which is fine and to each their own, but it is wishful thinking at best in most cases.

[smashmouth]

Tony Gonzalaz wants out of KC. He would be a huge target for Flacco and wouldent cost the house to get. How sure are we that Heap will be back to being Heap this year?

[RavensIQ]

Bo Scaife is younger and would be cheaper.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152349' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:23 AM']Bo Scaife is younger and would be cheaper.[/quote]
He's not even close to being on the same level, And KC wouldent want nothing but a couple low end picks for Him. maybe a 3rd and a 5th at the highest. He's well worth it, as IMO he's one of the best to ever play the TE Postion.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='152352' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:30 AM']He's not even close to being on the same level, And KC wouldent want nothing but a couple low end picks for Him. maybe a 3rd and a 5th at the highest. He's well worth it, as IMO he's one of the best to ever play the TE Postion.[/quote]

Why would you want to invest in a 32 year old tightend who has already contemplated retirement?

Bo Scaife is a younger, mismatch type of TE, and he's a Free Agent...so we wouldn't have to give up any draft picks!

What can Gonzales (32) do that Todd Heap (28) can't do? Except cost more...

[ZIBBY28]

i dont think heap will ever be the player he once was just because he cant get down field like he used to, which made him so special because he could outrun LBs and out muscle safeties... he's still a good run blocker and does the things he needs to do in the passing game, hes just not going to be the human highlight reel he once was.. i dont agree that its the smartest thing to do to go after gonzo (age, money/draft picks, injuries, retirement), but i do agree that especially if we dont re-sign dan wilcox, its a necessity to bring in a true TE through the draft

[flynismo]

We need the WR.
My argument is this...

First and foremost, our offense is what has cost us 4 of our 6 losses this year (the only losses we suffered that we can pin on the defense was against NYG and Indy). All three of our losses to Pittsburgh, and the loss to Tennessee could have easily been avoided had we made just one or two big plays on offense.
Secondly, I'm confident that with Reed, Landry and Washington, our secondary will be just fine, especially if McAlister and/or Rolle still plays at a high level. We can draft CB to develop this year, and he'll probably be ready to start in year two, when Cmac and Rolle are gone.

But offense is what is holding this team back from greatness. Look at Pittsburgh for example. For all intents and purposes, their defense is no better or worse than ours, we are nearly identical. But the reason that they are the SB champions while we are in their shadow again is because their offense makes plays when they need it to, regardless of who they're playing against.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='152168' date='Feb 9 2009, 04:46 PM']Your attitude was unnecessary... don't you know the Fan Credo? Don't Be a Jerk![/quote]

My bad I just like to apply facts to all the hypothetical situations

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='152375' date='Feb 10 2009, 06:55 AM']My bad I just like to apply facts to all the hypothetical situations[/quote]

No problem, and I wasn't asking for a source because I didn't believe you, I was just wondering where you got the info. because I did do a basic search but didn't find anything...

[moe]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='151945' date='Feb 8 2009, 08:31 PM']Asomugha would be so awesome, or any corner that could be a shutdown type of guy. I don't think we necessarily need a deep threat, but we definitely need a red-zone receiver like a big guy who can catch the jump ball.[/quote]



yep

[smashmouth]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152359' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:48 AM']Why would you want to invest in a 32 year old tightend who has already contemplated retirement?

Bo Scaife is a younger, mismatch type of TE, and he's a Free Agent...so we wouldn't have to give up any draft picks!

What can Gonzales (32) do that Todd Heap (28) can't do? Except cost more...[/quote]
Why pick up any FA? Something that ALL teams do.. To better thereselves at that postion Immedility. Gonzalez is a 1000 yard TE.. You heard right, ONE THOUSAND YARD. Todd Heap as much as we love is not that, and never was that. Gonzalez wants a team that can contend.. He wont cost hardly anything, KC just want the picks in numbers.. again.
Why did we bring Dieon out of retirement, why did we bring in Pryce, why did we bring in the Bills needy RB. All simple questions, We are not a team to grab big name free agents, Bolden is gonna cost way too much, but yet everyone wants to jump on it. Aso is probally going to get offered the biggest DB paycheck in history, yet everyone wants it done. Be for real, these guys are out of our cap room when we have too many FA on our chart.
Chad Johnson might be a guy we could afford, Maybe but doubtfull we could grab Housyourmomma, But we might as well grab a great recieving TE to stretch the middle of the field if we cant afford a FA reciever.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='smashmouth' post='153555' date='Feb 13 2009, 01:14 AM']Why pick up any FA? Something that ALL teams do.. To better thereselves at that postion Immedility. Gonzalez is a 1000 yard TE.. You heard right, ONE THOUSAND YARD. Todd Heap as much as we love is not that, and never was that. Gonzalez wants a team that can contend.. He wont cost hardly anything, KC just want the picks in numbers.. again.
Why did we bring Dieon out of retirement, why did we bring in Pryce, why did we bring in the Bills needy RB. All simple questions, We are not a team to grab big name free agents, Bolden is gonna cost way too much, but yet everyone wants to jump on it. Aso is probally going to get offered the biggest DB paycheck in history, yet everyone wants it done. Be for real, these guys are out of our cap room when we have too many FA on our chart.
Chad Johnson might be a guy we could afford, Maybe but doubtfull we could grab Housyourmomma, But we might as well grab a great recieving TE to stretch the middle of the field if we cant afford a FA reciever.[/quote]

No big names please, or ready to decline veterans.

[btully27]

Asomugha is all tht needs to be said. Top three if not the #1 shutdown corner in the league

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='153588' date='Feb 13 2009, 07:17 AM']No big names please, or ready to decline veterans.[/quote]

McNair was both of those things; you mean to tell me you didn't want us to pick him up either?

[jezzy]

we need a wr idk were all this talk about the best cb in football coming here it sounds nice butafter we give ray and sizzle there money theres only gonna be enough to get a descent wr like housh or bolden from a trade were are you hearing that hes even gonna think about coming to bmore did i miss something

[shaikh015]

[quote name='moe' post='153139' date='Feb 12 2009, 03:36 AM']yep[/quote]
If we part ways with Rolle and Cmac...Then Aso is must have!!!
The reason being I DON"T TRUST WASHINGTON OR WALKER WITH A 10 FOOT POLE..
I can't have both of those guys in at the same time...They are just not good enough to play side by side...Like one at a time would be alright with me...

[smashmouth]

[quote name='flynismo' post='153820' date='Feb 13 2009, 10:11 PM']McNair was both of those things; you mean to tell me you didn't want us to pick him up either?[/quote]
I diddnt know ONE person who was against grabbing McNair, Everyone was happy we made it that far. But there are alot of fans who turn there back on players very fast.. Look at all the Ray lewis thoughts going around. Its sad really but part of ( Bandwagon Fans )

[lgcs27288]

The Raiders just signed I think his name was Chris Johnson? Anyways he is a CB to a 4 year extension so would that leave the door open for Aso?

[Ed_Reed20]

I'm a big Asomugha fan. The term "shut-down corner" gets thrown around a lot but I think Asomugha is the only corner in the league who truly shuts his man down. Teams just don't throw his way. However, I think another team is going to pay big money to get him. The Ravens could do the same but there are too many other holes that need to be filled.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='154331' date='Feb 16 2009, 03:12 PM']I'm a big Asomugha fan. The term "shut-down corner" gets thrown around a lot but I think Asomugha is the only corner in the league who truly shuts his man down. Teams just don't throw his way. However, I think another team is going to pay big money to get him. The Ravens could do the same but there are too many other holes that need to be filled.[/quote]
He looks like a exact mirror image of C-mac back in the day.

[Tonymontana45]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='153833' date='Feb 14 2009, 01:29 AM']If we part ways with Rolle and Cmac...Then Aso is must have!!!
The reason being I DON"T TRUST WASHINGTON OR WALKER WITH A 10 FOOT POLE..
I can't have both of those guys in at the same time...They are just not good enough to play side by side...Like one at a time would be alright with me...[/quote]
Just wondering what the problem is with Washington he played well this entire year, if he worked on his hands he would've had a ton of INT but he didn't give up a lot of big plays, key word a lot, but he played very well, i would be very very happy with him and aso or daunte and rolle, with rolle on a pay-cut playing nickle

[20ReedsAll]

Aso looks better than any corner I've seen in a long time. He just doesnt let his man get open. Aso is a must grab if he makes it to free agency, although I do believe that the Raiders will franchise him.

We need to sign Sugge long term too with that money we got by cutting CMac.

[Alexir]

Asomugha is overrated and quite frankly overpaid. If anything we should try to pick up Deangleo Hall before the Skins re-sign him. As for getting a WR in Free Agency? There is really nothing out there. Maybe thats just me though, I am not a Housh fan at all.

[52Kia Kaha92]

i love aso but i tend to agree he is overrated by some people, some people dont know who he is but the ones who do over rate him quite a bit

Sure he is easily the best corner but he is not unstoppable, and as he doesnt bait the CB it means the guy opposite him is picked on, ih he coul dbait like Champ and Deion could he would be one of the top corners ever but he aint

So to sum up ASo is overrated but still the best CB in the game lol

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Alexir' post='154661' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:19 AM']Asomugha is overrated and quite frankly overpaid. If anything we should try to pick up Deangleo Hall before the Skins re-sign him. As for getting a WR in Free Agency? There is really nothing out there. Maybe thats just me though, I am not a Housh fan at all.[/quote]

There is no way Nnamdi is overrated. To quote Pro Football Weekly, he was, thrown at "less than any defender in the last ten years" in 2007, with only 31 attempts his way, resulting in a mere 10 completions. Besides, the only reason anyone has success over their Pass Defense is because they can throw the ball everywhere else. He is an absolute machine. But I definitely agree about DeAngelo Hall. I've been a fan of his since he entered the league and he would a great addition to our secondary.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='154662' date='Feb 17 2009, 03:25 AM']i love aso but i tend to agree he is overrated by some people, some people dont know who he is but the ones who do over rate him quite a bit

Sure he is easily the best corner but he is not unstoppable, and as he doesnt bait the CB it means the guy opposite him is picked on, ih he coul dbait like Champ and Deion could he would be one of the top corners ever but he aint

So to sum up ASo is overrated but still the best CB in the game lol[/quote]

Your right about him not baiting the CB, this is something that made McCalister one of the best corners around, no one threw it is way, so He would drop off so the QB would think His reciever would be open, This is why He's had the better stats and defined the "shutdown corner" saying. ASO IMO is still not overrated though. McCalister once held the record for the highest paid DB, now Aso will be that guy.
Only diffrence in these two is McCalister baited and would make more plays while making boneheaded plays when it seemed to hurt the most. Aso just shutsdown recievers period.

[52Kia Kaha92]

yes he does shutdown players but he exposes the guy opposite him, If he baited the corner he would eadily one of the best ever be he aint and as good as it is to take one guy out in a way its a bad thing

[daylt8dollashort]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='151931' date='Feb 8 2009, 08:09 PM']I want Asomugha more than the deep threat.. Me thinking about Frank Walker getting playing time just kills me.. Our defense may have been ranked 2nd, but we still need more depth at corner.. Clayton started to blossom this year with some big catches and games for us and Mason is our old reliable..[/quote]

[b]Walker, Ivy, Rolle, all of them sicken me at the thought of them still being back there. Clayton should've been blossomed practicing along side Mason, cut Heap, Draft Hakeem Nicks from NC, and get the TE from Southern Miss, hopefully harbaugh won't try to be like Reid, and all contact all the time and we can keep people off the IR, and FINALLY MAYBE GO BACK TO A 4-3 when Buddy Lee returns...............There's some good possibilities, but get rid of the dead weight...................McAlister still could've helped this club...............maybe changing to safety...............It's not like it hadn't been done before and the two that comes to mind are HOF..............can u guess em?[/b] I hope Ryan takes Scott and Ivy with him...............Tony Gonzales would be nice here too..............at least he catches balls in traffic...................and the first one doesn't bring him down!!