Asomugha Or A Deep Threat Wr? Thoughts

[usmccharles]

So ive been reading alot of threads talking about both options, so i thought i we could discuss what would do us better justice.

Asomugha
If we go after him that will pretty much make it impossible to sign any other big names. If we did do that we could cut cmac and rolle/washington....i like rolle better but thats me. Then we have a awesome secondary with our nice blitzing packages. so it would cause a lot of problems for offenses, obviously

Deep threat WR
How many times do we get into t he redzone and have to settle for 3 instead of the important 7, how many games would that have changed if we would have got the 4 more points. If we get a WR it opens mason and clayton up, also the running game, we need to give joe a lot more weapons, because we have seen too many times when our WRs dont get any seperation

Me personally, i think we need the WR, our defense was second in the league, our offense was way far from that. We can still cut cmac and pick up a good FA, or if we have to trade rolle, not counting what we get out of the draft. Joe can throw the long ball up there with the best in the league, we need someone with the speed, and the hands to get the seperation and actually catch it, but thats just me

[Devastat1on]

I want Asomugha more than the deep threat.. Me thinking about Frank Walker getting playing time just kills me.. Our defense may have been ranked 2nd, but we still need more depth at corner.. Clayton started to blossom this year with some big catches and games for us and Mason is our old reliable..

[purple52-92-20pain]

[quote name='Devastat1on' post='151931' date='Feb 8 2009, 08:09 PM']I want Asomugha more than the deep threat.. Me thinking about Frank Walker getting playing time just kills me.. Our defense may have been ranked 2nd, but we still need more depth at corner.. Clayton started to blossom this year with some big catches and games for us and Mason is our old reliable..[/quote]


same

[RoflDogs]

How bout we cut Cmac, and use all his money into Asomugha O_O

[3Zach21]

We aren't getting Asomugha so it doesn't really matter. Just because The Raiders dont franchise him doesn't mean they wont pay him the fat contract.

[Whole-Gash]

Asomugha would be so awesome, or any corner that could be a shutdown type of guy. I don't think we necessarily need a deep threat, but we definitely need a red-zone receiver like a big guy who can catch the jump ball.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='151942' date='Feb 8 2009, 08:27 PM']We aren't getting Asomugha so it doesn't really matter. Just because The Raiders dont franchise him doesn't mean they wont pay him the fat contract.[/quote]

Oakland doesn't have enough cap space to give Asomugha that fat contract. It's been 2 years and they still haven't got a deal done. So what makes you think all of a sudden they'll have one done within the next 2 weeks (franchise tag deadline)? If the deadline passes and he's not tagged you know for sure hes going to wait until his agent shops the market b4 he signs the dotted line. Even if Oakland offers him a substantial contract he's still going to want to see what other teams offer him.

Lets be honest, if Asomugha hits FA he's not going back to the Oakland Raiders. It's been projected Oakland only has $4 million dollars in available cap space for the 09 season. Their best shot at retaining him is with the Tag and quite frankly they won't be able to afford a $10 million dollar tag. So...

Why are you so sure Asomugha won't be a Raven next year? What logical facts do you have that support this assumption?

[northsider]

Made this point on another thread, but will make it again:

Bringing Nnamdi to the Ravens will run over $10M a year and over $20M in bonuses/guarantees, over $60M overall. Suggs will want more than someone who has never played a down for the Ravens. Ed Reed will want to redo his deal. And when Ngata starts to negotiate, he'll consider that a lowball.

There are other corners that would be viable and much less cost. Really, with the Ravens front 7, a bit less can be allocated to corner and bit more can go to WR. Problem there is, the free agent crop is pretty weak. TJ isn't much of a deep threat IMO.

[Whole-Gash]

I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think that Ed Reed will be a FA next year, so I think he would just wait one more year. I do get what you're saying though, and I agree. I hope they can get Reed, Ngata, and a couple other guys to extensions before they come up.

[lgcs27288]

Isnt TJ saying he basically wants to be a part of the Eagles?

[bmorefan80]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='151984' date='Feb 8 2009, 10:00 PM']I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think that Ed Reed will be a FA next year, so I think he would just wait one more year. I do get what you're saying though, and I agree. I hope they can get Reed, Ngata, and a couple other guys to extensions before they come up.[/quote]
No way Reed is a FA next year...He just signed a 6year deal in 2006.

Tidbit:Did you know Ed Reed isn't even on the top 5 list of most money making safties in the NFL.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='151982' date='Feb 8 2009, 09:54 PM']Oakland doesn't have enough cap space to give Asomugha that fat contract. It's been 2 years and they still haven't got a deal done. So what makes you think all of a sudden they'll have one done within the next 2 weeks (franchise tag deadline)? If the deadline passes and he's not tagged you know for sure hes going to wait until his agent shops the market b4 he signs the dotted line. Even if Oakland offers him a substantial contract he's still going to want to see what other teams offer him.

Lets be honest, if Asomugha hits FA he's not going back to the Oakland Raiders. It's been projected Oakland only has $4 million dollars in available cap space for the 09 season. Their best shot at retaining him is with the Tag and quite frankly they won't be able to afford a $10 million dollar tag. So...

Why are you so sure Asomugha won't be a Raven next year? What logical facts do you have that support this assumption?[/quote]

Al Davis said last Wed that hes likely going to use the [b]exclusive franchise tag[/b]. Its pretty obvious if they have to clean house to keep their best player they will.

Some of you guys are playing too much Madden.

[Whole-Gash]

Yeah I just saw that article, I believe it, but I think he deserves to be the highest paid safety. Hey, but if he's happy I'm happy, 40 million's a lot no matter how you look at it.

[FerrariFan87]

Why not both?

[Whole-Gash]

Why not both what?

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Whole-Gash' post='151999' date='Feb 8 2009, 10:50 PM']Why not both what?[/quote]

Why not get both Anquan and Aso?

[Jesse Conroy]

Id rather have the WR, i think to complete or offense, we need two really good WR's... Mason and ?????... I think we have a good enough depth to the CB position.

Unless we can add a good WR in the draft... Then Asm could be a good pick up.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='152002' date='Feb 8 2009, 10:54 PM']Id rather have the WR, i think to complete or offense, we need two really good WR's... Mason and ?????... I think we have a good enough depth to the CB position.

Unless we can add a good WR in the draft... Then Asm could be a good pick up.[/quote]

Honestly, at this point, it looks like Ray wants out so I am all for cutting C-Mac and Rolle, signing Peppers and Aso and trading for Boldin... obviously, Salary Cap permitting.

[BloodRaven]

Guys. Enough. Al Davis said hes going to use the exclusive franchise tag on Asomugha.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='152009' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:00 PM']Guys. Enough. Al Davis said hes going to use the exclusive franchise tag on Asomugha.[/quote]

Source....?

[52Kia Kaha92]

Asomugha hands down!
He aint resigning and oakland cant afford to tag him
our coaches have been with him all week so IMO welcome to Baltimore aso!

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='152010' date='Feb 9 2009, 12:02 AM']Source....?[/quote]

[url="http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/02/06/asomugha-expects-to-be-tagged/"]here[/url]

[url="http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Nnamdi_Asomugha/223512"]and here[/url]

and a bunch of other sites if you bothered looking



They have so much money tied up in bums like Kwame Harris and Javon Walker they could cut everyone, start over with rookies and do just as well. So heads will roll to keep Asomugha.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='151982' date='Feb 8 2009, 09:54 PM'][b]Oakland doesn't have enough cap space to give Asomugha that fat contract.[/b] It's been 2 years and they still haven't got a deal done. So what makes you think all of a sudden they'll have one done within the next 2 weeks (franchise tag deadline)? If the deadline passes and he's not tagged you know for sure hes going to wait until his agent shops the market b4 he signs the dotted line. Even if Oakland offers him a substantial contract he's still going to want to see what other teams offer him.

Lets be honest, if Asomugha hits FA he's not going back to the Oakland Raiders. It's been projected Oakland only has $4 million dollars in available cap space for the 09 season. Their best shot at retaining him is with the Tag and quite frankly they won't be able to afford a $10 million dollar tag. So...

Why are you so sure Asomugha won't be a Raven next year? What logical facts do you have that support this assumption?[/quote]

Sorry to break it to you, but either do we and if he some how comes here, he's going to want a long-term deal. Sure we can release players yata yata yata.. but so can the Raiders.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='152147' date='Feb 9 2009, 03:06 PM']Sorry to break it to you, but either do we and if he some how comes here, he's going to want a long-term deal. Sure we can release players yata yata yata.. but so can the Raiders.[/quote]

Oakland has to suck up 11 million dollars in cap space because of the franchise tag. From what it looks like now they currently have less than $5 million to work with. If he came here that means we have offered him a long term contract which wouldn't impact our 2009 season in negative way bcuz his signing bonus will take into account 2009's salary and the structure of his contract would be a lot more cap friendly then a cap draining franchise tag.

Oakland has to cut a lot of players just to sign Nnamdi. Then they're going to have to cut even more to sign their top 10 draft pick, not to mention their other draft picks. Then they're going to have to cut even more to sign their free agents. find away to sign free agent replacements for the players they cut. And after that is all said and done they still have to find away to push aside a lil extra under the rug in case they need to sign players during the regular season bcuz of injuries, especially if players hit the IR.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='152152' date='Feb 9 2009, 03:15 PM']Oakland has to suck up 11 million dollars in cap space because of the franchise tag. From what it looks like now they currently have less than $5 million to work with. If he came here that means we have offered him a long term contract which wouldn't impact our 2009 season in negative way bcuz his signing bonus will take into account 2009's salary and the structure of his contract would be a lot more cap friendly then a cap draining franchise tag.

Oakland has to cut a lot of players just to sign Nnamdi. Then they're going to have to cut even more to sign their top 10 draft pick, not to mention their other draft picks. Then they're going to have to cut even more to sign their free agents. find away to sign free agent replacements for the players they cut. And after that is all said and done they still have to find away to push aside a lil extra under the rug in case they need to sign players during the regular season bcuz of injuries, especially if players hit the IR.[/quote]

I hope you're banking on Ray leaving. Even if he does, its gonna be EXTREMELY hard to sign Asomugha to a long-term deal, while we resign Scott, Suggs, Jason Brown, and most of our other FA's. Let alone we have to sign our Rookie draft picks (I dont know if that counts towards this years salary or not). If Ray comes back there is a 2 if not 0% chance of us landing Aso.

Also keep in mind, if we dont sign Ray, i highly doubt that suggs will still want to take a "home-town discount." Just my opinion

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='152015' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:44 PM'][url="http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/02/06/asomugha-expects-to-be-tagged/"]here[/url]

[url="http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Nnamdi_Asomugha/223512"]and here[/url]

[b]and a bunch of other sites if you bothered looking[/b]



They have so much money tied up in bums like Kwame Harris and Javon Walker they could cut everyone, start over with rookies and do just as well. So heads will roll to keep Asomugha.[/quote]

Your attitude was unnecessary... don't you know the Fan Credo? Don't Be a Jerk!

[ZIBBY28]

Aso. No question. Cant see it happening though...

[Whole-Gash]

Why not Sean Smith and Kenny Britt? I say we should think about signing Leohnard, then trading him for an early 2nd round pick and a 5th rounder. Then, we trade down from our first round to another early second round pick and get a third rounder as well. Then we trade our third rounder and late second rounder as well as a fifth rounder next year to move up early in the second round.

Now we would have 3 early second round picks, one third rounder, one fourth rounder, and one fifth rounder. Then, I think we should draft:

[u][b]Round 2[/b][/u]
Our first pick: Best OT Left
Our second: Sean Smith/Best CB available
Our third: Kenny Britt/Best WR available

[u][b]Round 3[/b][/u]
DT Fili Moala

[u][b]Round 4[/b][/u]
Ramses Barden/Best TE available/Best DE available

[u][b]Round 5[/b][/u]
BPA

[u][b]Round 7[/b][/u]
BPA

[RavensIQ]

It appears the Raiders are going to franchise tag Shane Lechler. There has been a lot of talk lately on the matter. This makes it even more interesting.

[Mazda]

source?