Conspiracy Theory

[bmorefan80]

Ok, I didn't record the Super Bowl this year. If someone can go back and watch when Kurt Warner stumbled and threw the TD pass to Ben Patrick. How in the world did they show other clips of him stumbling in other games so fast...Like they knew he was going to stumble that play.

Things just don't add up in the NFL sometimes, and makes you think about it even more.



On the side note, I counted 2 hits from the back against the Steelers when Harrison returned the TD. The last block by LaMarr Woodley did was so obvious.

[Sub-Zero]

if you follow a team hard enough, just by memory you can recall certain events quicker than you can read this sentence. and those crazy statisticians keep tabs on all sorts of things and had weeks/months to organize them to have quick access to. just imagine having the resources to keep it all in one place and being able to access it in a blink.

[Sub-Zero]

oh yeah and about the block, not sure if this was posted but this should make your blood...boil!

[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/2ighzyx.jpg[/img]

[neepo13]

I think that one was a good no call. He hits him more from the side then he does the back. If Hightower(?) hadnt turned at the last second it would have been a legal block. Or atleast thats what it looks like. Its not like during a certain game last year on a certain 23 yard run where a certain teams player came up from behind Bart Scott and pushed him down right in front of the ref. The Cards player saw him coming.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='neepo13' post='149588' date='Feb 2 2009, 10:11 PM']I think that one was a good no call. He hits him more from the side then he does the back. If Hightower(?) hadnt turned at the last second it would have been a legal block. Or atleast thats what it looks like. Its not like during a certain game last year on a certain 23 yard run where a certain teams player came up from behind Bart Scott and pushed him down right in front of the ref. The Cards player saw him coming.[/quote]

Thats a terrible no call. Clearly a block in the back, both of his hands are on the cards players back. Shameful officiating.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

What about the Holmes winning touchdown reception? It looks to me like #20 Ralph Brown, has a very good chance of making a play on the ball, but brings his arm down as it flies over his head. Watch the video at 14-19 seconds. He was going up when his hand was extending so I think he would have had a play on the ball. Why did he pull his hand down?

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqDKnpBoaM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqDKnpBoaM[/url]

[ravensgirlx88]

The biggest game in history that made me question the NFL had to be the PATS and Ravens 07 game.. we WON that game.. but the refs gave it to the Patriots..

[thewarden86]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='149558' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:48 PM']Ok, I didn't record the Super Bowl this year. If someone can go back and watch when Kurt Warner stumbled and threw the TD pass to Ben Patrick. How in the world did they show other clips of him stumbling in other games so fast...Like they knew he was going to stumble that play.

Things just don't add up in the NFL sometimes, and makes you think about it even more.



On the side note, I counted 2 hits from the back against the Steelers when Harrison returned the TD. The last block by LaMarr Woodley did was so obvious.[/quote]


There was also a hold and an illegal block in the back against the Giants on Jermaine Lewis's Kick Off return for a TD in that Super Bowl. Nieither was called. I think we as a fan base need to stop allowing ourselves to be brain washed by the media into scrutinizing every tiny little thing that takes place in these games. There will ALWAYS be the human element. It's unavoidable. It's waaay too easy to pick a game apart afterwards but there is only so much the refs can see or review. Don't you get annoyed by the constant game stoppages (especially at the end of games) due to offical reviews, meetings etc.? I know I do.

I think the officiating was much better before instant replay. Sure, some calls were missed but the refs were much better. Fans didn't complain about holds and crap like that back then. I think the focus on the officials is killing the experience. Too many sour grapes after the game. It's a shame.

[OctoberRaven]

I saw that PATS game and it's what happends to the ravens atleast once or twice a year it just seems when it counts the refs are really hard on us and who can fight the refs?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='OctoberRaven' post='149820' date='Feb 3 2009, 12:54 PM']I saw that PATS game and it's what happends to the ravens atleast once or twice a year it just seems when it counts the refs are really hard on us and who can fight the refs?[/quote]

I watched that game too. It was one of the few times I was pulling for the Ravens (call it division pride or just my hatred of the Patsies), but I remember that it was that time out called by the Ravens side-line that was the killer.

[OctoberRaven]

That time out was horrible, there have been so many times I just wanted to scream when stuff like that happends. Especially against the PATS, when your hoping someone would crush that perfect season. It happends to other teams too, I think the refs were really hard on the cards Sunday night too. I am not saying that is what cost them the game or anyhting, missing key plays lost them the superbowl. My heart goes out to Warner and Fitzgerald for displaying the fighting spirit the NFL is all about.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='OctoberRaven' post='149827' date='Feb 3 2009, 01:19 PM']That time out was horrible, there have been so many times I just wanted to scream when stuff like that happends. Especially against the PATS, when your hoping someone would crush that perfect season. It happends to other teams too, I think the refs were really hard on the cards Sunday night too. I am not saying that is what cost them the game or anyhting, missing key plays lost them the superbowl. My heart goes out to Warner and Fitzgerald for displaying the fighting spirit the NFL is all about.[/quote]

Obviously I'm happy for my team, but I've always admired/respected Adrian Wilson. I hurt for him more than anyone. Kurt has a ring and Fitz is still young. Adrian has been around a long time and he took a pay cut to stay in Arizona when most others would have left. I'd like to see him crowned a champion before he retires.

[Shawn`]

The NFL has about 50 guys running what shows up on television and they have access to the whole NFL gallery database so as soon as something like that happens, they pull up video's from previous Kurt Warner games, and there had to be some kind of discussion of him stumbling on goal line plays so they just put those together and add some text and in minutes it's ready.

[thewarden86]

Do you guys realize that your team will never be given credit for any close victory by the opposing teams fans ever again? Unless it's a blowout, someone will always point out every tiny little detail that "prevented team X from winning." It will never matter who actually won or who the underdog was, just that the loser got "jobbed." If it's the Super Bowl then it won't just be the opposing teams fans, but half the media and half of the NFL wide fan base. The conspiracy theory will run hot and long for most until about training camp. After that it'll only remain an issue to the losing teams fans and will likely never go away. You will find yourself continually defending your teams victories. This tends to take away the enjoyment of the win and that just sucks.

As I said earlier, any enjoyment of the whole experience is becoming lost in all the post game hoopla. It's depressing.

[OctoberRaven]

I agree about Adrian Wilson he definetly deservers everybodys respect. I was disappointed Shannon Sharpe didn't get elected to the HOF, he is an excellent athlete and has my vote. I am glad Rod Woodsen got elected he was such an important cog in our superbowl machine. I wish there wasn't so much controversy all the time. Teams win Superbowls by playing excellent football. When they get pressured and they make mistakes and sometimes it results in penalties that hurt when it is such a big game. The only conspiracy is why Team X got "jobbed" this game is cause team Y was the Steelers. The Steelers hit like the Ravens, so you can taste the blood when you get up after the play. Some people can't take the heat.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='149821' date='Feb 3 2009, 01:06 PM']I watched that game too. It was one of the few times I was pulling for the Ravens (call it division pride or just my hatred of the Patsies), but I remember that it was that time out called by the Ravens side-line that was the killer.[/quote]


Yea.. which defensive coaches can't even call....hmmmm

[OctoberRaven]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='149867' date='Feb 3 2009, 02:05 PM']Yea.. which defensive coaches can't even call....hmmmm[/quote]
Thats what makes me want to scream, why do the rules change sometimes when it suits a more popular team? How long has the NFL been a franchise and we can't hammer out these details?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='OctoberRaven' post='149865' date='Feb 3 2009, 02:04 PM']I agree about Adrian Wilson he definetly deservers everybodys respect. I was disappointed Shannon Sharpe didn't get elected to the HOF, he is an excellent athlete and has my vote. I am glad Rod Woodsen got elected he was such an important cog in our superbowl machine. I wish there wasn't so much controversy all the time. Teams win Superbowls by playing excellent football. When they get pressured and they make mistakes and sometimes it results in penalties that hurt when it is such a big game. The only conspiracy is why Team X got "jobbed" this game is cause team Y was the Steelers. The Steelers hit like the Ravens, so you can taste the blood when you get up after the play. [b]Some people can't take the heat[/b].[/quote]

True dat!

[OctoberRaven]

I would just like to say I am glad James Harrison is ok after that amazing Ed Reed style run he had in the superbowl, I thought he was gonna passout after that one!!!

[bmorefan80]

What amazes me is how Fitz started jogging once Harrison got the int, thinking one of his teammates was going to make the tackle. Then burst his speed, bump into his own player on the sidelines and still managed to make the tackle.

I am one to say I am jealous that the Cardinals have an outstanding WR like him. I'm starting to look at Heyward-Bey even more now. Both have speed, both are tall, and both can be a playmaker.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='149961' date='Feb 3 2009, 03:11 PM']What amazes me is how Fitz started jogging once Harrison got the int, thinking one of his teammates was going to make the tackle. Then burst his speed, bump into his own player on the sidelines and still managed to make the tackle.

I am one to say I am jealous that the Cardinals have an outstanding WR like him. I'm starting to look at Heyward-Bey even more now. Both have speed, both are tall, and both can be a playmaker.[/quote]


Ugh, I know. That's all my brother and I kept saying.. That's what WE NEED.. a Boldin or Fitz.. They are amazing.

[OctoberRaven]

I agree we definetly need some young wide receivers to grow with Joe, a few tall guys that can compensate for his strong arm but who will be there. After that we need to toughen up the D again. I think Mason deservers to stay for all the effort shown. I hope we keep Jim Leonard and CMAC but it will be interesting to see what direction we take when the draft comes around.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='149962' date='Feb 3 2009, 02:12 PM']Ugh, I know. That's all my brother and I kept saying.. That's what WE NEED.. a Boldin or Fitz.. They are amazing.[/quote]

But that's just the hard part ya know, because how many Fitzgeralds are there? 1.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='149819' date='Feb 3 2009, 12:50 PM']There was also a hold and an illegal block in the back against the Giants on Jermaine Lewis's Kick Off return for a TD in that Super Bowl. Nieither was called. I think we as a fan base need to stop allowing ourselves to be brain washed by the media into scrutinizing every tiny little thing that takes place in these games. There will ALWAYS be the human element. It's unavoidable. It's waaay too easy to pick a game apart afterwards but there is only so much the refs can see or review. Don't you get annoyed by the constant game stoppages (especially at the end of games) due to offical reviews, meetings etc.? I know I do.

I think the officiating was much better before instant replay. Sure, some calls were missed but the refs were much better. Fans didn't complain about holds and crap like that back then. I think the focus on the officials is killing the experience. [b]Too many sour grapes after the game. It's a shame.[/b][/quote]

I agree with most of that, but sour grapes ONLY occur when your team loses as a result of a crappy call (or non-call). There will always be the few that will take a truly hardfought and fairly officiated game and make a conspiracy out of it. For the most part fans understand the human element you pointed out...but it still doesn't take away the fact that these ref's screwed the pooch. The frustrating part is when it happens to your team over and over with zero accountability. (Ravens fans are not the only ones making a stink about bad calls and favoritism). By my count the Ravens were screwed out of at least 3 wins this season. The only game I can remember where the Ravens were on the favorable end of a bad call/non-call was the Titan's playoff game. Too many times to count has a Ravens game's momentum swung, or a game has been flat out decided by such calls. It's a major problem and one cannot help but think that there is favoritism in the league. There are a few teams to which this seems to never happens (almost). Steelers, Pats and a few other large market teams fall into this category.

It's very easy to say we need to stop the nit-picking when your team seems to always be on the good end of those calls. I am not picking on you or the Steelers...like I said many teams just seem to get all the breaks. Conspiracy...doubtful, but it does make you wonder.

BTW...you have not updated your signature with trophy 6...what gives? I thought we would see that within milli-seconds of the SB.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Tighthead420' post='150477' date='Feb 4 2009, 02:58 PM']I agree with most of that, but sour grapes ONLY occur when your team loses as a result of a crappy call (or non-call). There will always be the few that will take a truly hardfought and fairly officiated game and make a conspiracy out of it. For the most part fans understand the human element you pointed out...but it still doesn't take away the fact that these ref's screwed the pooch. The frustrating part is when it happens to your team over and over with zero accountability. (Ravens fans are not the only ones making a stink about bad calls and favoritism). By my count the Ravens were screwed out of at least 3 wins this season. The only game I can remember where the Ravens were on the favorable end of a bad call/non-call was the Titan's playoff game. Too many times to count has a Ravens game's momentum swung, or a game has been flat out decided by such calls. It's a major problem and one cannot help but think that there is favoritism in the league. There are a few teams to which this seems to never happens (almost). Steelers, Pats and a few other large market teams fall into this category.

It's very easy to say we need to stop the nit-picking when your team seems to always be on the good end of those calls. I am not picking on you or the Steelers...like I said many teams just seem to get all the breaks. Conspiracy...doubtful, but it does make you wonder.

BTW...you have not updated your signature with trophy 6...what gives? I thought we would see that within milli-seconds of the SB. [/quote]

My post was definitely not a reference to Ravens fans. It was very general. I'm sure there are many Steelers fans that have fallen into this hole before as well (myself included).

The dude that does my sigs hasn't been around. ...and I [i]am[/i] getting impatient.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='OctoberRaven' post='149936' date='Feb 3 2009, 03:00 PM']I would just like to say I am glad James Harrison is ok after that amazing Ed Reed style run he had in the superbowl, I thought he was gonna passout after that one!!![/quote]


that was no ed reed type play. dont even compare that to ed reed. ed reed's are much more difficult and require much more skill. he just picked off a pass that came right to him and ran straight for the end zone. he had good blocking. it was kinda like forest gump. he just ran

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='151771' date='Feb 7 2009, 10:56 PM']that was no ed reed type play. dont even compare that to ed reed. ed reed's are much more difficult and require much more skill. he just picked off a pass that came right to him and ran straight for the end zone. he had good blocking. it was kinda like forest gump. he just ran[/quote]

Let's not forget all the holding that was being done to open up this "oppertunity" for James Harrison..

[ROH522155]

exactly

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='151772' date='Feb 7 2009, 10:57 PM']Let's not forget all the holding that was being done to open up this "oppertunity" for James Harrison.. [/quote]

Hey, that stuff happens and I'm sure Ed Reed has benefitted from it too.

Let's also not forget that James Harrison is a linebacker with not where near the speed and agility of Ed Reed. THAT, to me, makes this much more difficult. When Ed Reed picks one off, it's a foregone conclussion that it'll result in 6 points. When Harrison picked it off NO ONE thought he'd make it past the 50.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='neepo13' post='149588' date='Feb 2 2009, 11:11 PM']I think that one was a good no call. He hits him more from the side then he does the back. If Hightower(?) hadnt turned at the last second it would have been a legal block. Or atleast thats what it looks like. Its not like during a certain game last year on a certain 23 yard run where a certain teams player came up from behind Bart Scott and pushed him down right in front of the ref. The Cards player saw him coming.[/quote]

Yeah, both of Woodley's hands were on Hightower's back as he shoved him to the ground...