The Ravens Need A Playmaker At Receiver...

[RavensIQ]

If you had to grade a player as an overall NFL WR then what qualities would that WR need in order to pass the test?

Catching?
Blocking?
Size?
Speed?
Route running?
Yards after Catch?
Shed tackles?
TD?
Rec.?
YPC?
Work Ethic?
Physicality?
Leadership?

Fitzy has great hands and can be a deep threat on the verticle route. But Boldin also has great hands and is a threat to take it to the house on any given play.

Boldin is a big strong WR that makes his living over the middle picking up yards after the catch. He is more physical than Fitz. He is a better blocker than Fitz. He is a better leader than Fitz (team captain). He is a stronger WR than Fitz. He works harder than Fitz. He sheds more tackles then Fitz. He is the main target for the cardinals. He is the #1 wr on the Arizona cardinals.

Boldin had 89 receptions for 1,038 yards and 11 touchdowns this year. Fitzgerald had 96 receptions for 1,431 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. Anquan Boldin only started 11 games. Fitzgerald started all 16.

89 catches divided by 11 games = 8 catches a game
96 catches divided by 16 games = 6 catches a game

11 touchdowns divided by 11 games = 1 td per game
12 touchdowns divided by 16 games = .75 td per game

Which means fitz would need 4 games to get as many TDs as Boldin would get in 3.

Wouldn't you want to throw the ball more times per game to your #1 wr? Wouldn't the WR that gets the most TDs be consider the team's #1 wr??

The only reason you guys think Fitz is the best wr in the league is bcuz that's what every single tv sportscaster has been saying for the past month since the playoffs started. He's been the main talk since week 15 bcuz that's when Anquan boldin was shutdown for the last 2 remaining games due to a hammy problem. So of course Boldin hasn't been in the mix bcuz analysts didn't even know whether or not he would be playing.

Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald both have 3 pro bowls for a reason...Hands and freakish athleticism aren't the only things that make a wr a complete nfl wr.

The Ravens run the ball, right? Which means we need good run blocking WRs, right? Who would you rather have run blocking for you? Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald?

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='149834' date='Feb 3 2009, 01:28 PM']If you had to grade a player as an overall NFL WR then what qualities would that WR need in order to pass the test?

Catching?
Blocking?
Size?
Speed?
Route running?
Yards after Catch?
Shed tackles?
TD?
Rec.?
YPC?
Work Ethic?
Physicality?
Leadership?

Fitzy has great hands and can be a deep threat on the verticle route. But Boldin also has great hands and is a threat to take it to the house on any given play.

Boldin is a big strong WR that makes his living over the middle picking up yards after the catch. He is more physical than Fitz. He is a better blocker than Fitz. He is a better leader than Fitz (team captain). He is a stronger WR than Fitz. He works harder than Fitz. He sheds more tackles then Fitz. He is the main target for the cardinals. He is the #1 wr on the Arizona cardinals.

Boldin had 89 receptions for 1,038 yards and 11 touchdowns this year. Fitzgerald had 96 receptions for 1,431 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. Anquan Boldin only started 11 games. Fitzgerald started all 16.

89 catches divided by 11 games = 8 catches a game
96 catches divided by 16 games = 6 catches a game

11 touchdowns divided by 11 games = 1 td per game
12 touchdowns divided by 16 games = .75 td per game

Which means fitz would need 4 games to get as many TDs as Boldin would get in 3.

Wouldn't you want to throw the ball more times per game to your #1 wr? Wouldn't the WR that gets the most TDs be consider the team's #1 wr??

The only reason you guys think Fitz is the best wr in the league is bcuz that's what every single tv sportscaster has been saying for the past month since the playoffs started. He's been the main talk since week 15 bcuz that's when Anquan boldin was shutdown for the last 2 remaining games due to a hammy problem. So of course Boldin hasn't been in the mix bcuz analysts didn't even know whether or not he would be playing.

Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald both have 3 pro bowls for a reason...Hands and freakish athleticism aren't the only things that make a wr a complete nfl wr.

The Ravens run the ball, right? Which means we need good run blocking WRs, right? Who would you rather have run blocking for you? Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald?[/quote]

stop bringing up stats in the amount of games played... that almost proves your point wrong. Fitz gets double coveraged 3x more than Boldin does. And no, the reason I think that Fitz is the best WR in the league is not because of the sportscasters, but he has PROVED it to me! More so than Boldin has!

He is not the #1 receiver on the Cardinals...
He DOES NOT work harder than Fitz... Fitz isnt as strong as Boldin, but he still breaks tons of tackles and fights plays til the end. DEDICATION!
He is NOT a better leader than Fitz.... Does your leader bash your O-Coordinator.

Fitz is surely their leader. He is the most classy WR in the NFL.

Taking Boldin over Fitzgerald just because Boldin is a better blocker and stronger is a joke. So what we are a run first offense, you don't take Boldin over the much better WR here.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='150021' date='Feb 3 2009, 03:35 PM']stop bringing up stats in the amount of games played... that almost proves your point wrong. Fitz gets double coveraged 3x more than Boldin does. And no, the reason I think that Fitz is the best WR in the league is not because of the sportscasters, but he has PROVED it to me! More so than Boldin has!

He is not the #1 receiver on the Cardinals...
He DOES NOT work harder than Fitz... Fitz isnt as strong as Boldin, but he still breaks tons of tackles and fights plays til the end. DEDICATION!
He is NOT a better leader than Fitz.... Does your leader bash your O-Coordinator.

Fitz is surely their leader. He is the most classy WR in the NFL.

Taking Boldin over Fitzgerald just because Boldin is a better blocker and stronger is a joke. So what we are a run first offense, you don't take Boldin over the much better WR here.[/quote]

I'm bringing up stats to prove my point that Anquan Boldin is the Arizona Cardinals main target. He gets more balls thrown to him than Larry Fitzgerald does for a REASON...He is their playmaker. T.O. and Randy Moss are two different style WRs, but they're both dominant and elite are they not? You're making it seem like Fitzgerald is x10 better than Boldin, which is a joke.

You think Fitzgerald is a better leader? For crying out loud BOLDIN IS THEIR FREAKING TEAM CAPTAIN!! Do you even know what you're talking about? The only reason Fitzgerald gets double coverage is bcuz no one is afraid of getting beat deep by Boldin. He doesn't have field stretching speed. Larry Fitzgerald is a double move WR with speed that is why he gets the safety's attention.

And Anquan Boldin IS THEIR #1 WR!! Why else do you think they throw his way more???? Clayton has more Athletic skillz (faster, jumps, hands) than Mason, does that make him our #1 WR?

Fitzgerald maybe one of the most athletic WRs in the entire league, it does not mean he is the best WR. There is more to that position than just Catching passes. It's almost pointless trying to enlighten you especially since this thread is about the [u]Ravens needing a playmaking WR[/u] (thus the Boldin talk). Fitzgerald is locked to a long term contract so it's pointless to bring him into this discussion bcuz he's not leaving Arizona. Boldin on the other hand wants a new contract, Cardinals are going to be tight in cap space this year, and there have already been talks about the Ravens trading for him for the last 2 years. Anquan is a premier WR. Firzgerald is a premier WR. Stop making it seem like Ftz is waaaaayy better than Boldin bcuz you're making yourself look like an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='150021' date='Feb 3 2009, 03:35 PM']stop bringing up stats in the amount of games played... that almost proves your point wrong. Fitz gets double coveraged 3x more than Boldin does. And no, the reason I think that Fitz is the best WR in the league is not because of the sportscasters, but he has PROVED it to me! More so than Boldin has!

He is not the #1 receiver on the Cardinals...
He DOES NOT work harder than Fitz... Fitz isnt as strong as Boldin, but he still breaks tons of tackles and fights plays til the end. DEDICATION!
He is NOT a better leader than Fitz.... Does your leader bash your O-Coordinator.

Fitz is surely their leader. He is the most classy WR in the NFL.

Taking Boldin over Fitzgerald just because Boldin is a better blocker and stronger is a joke. So what we are a run first offense, you don't take Boldin over the much better WR here.[/quote]


See, here's the difference between your argument and GQ's...

He presented you with cold hard stats. When Boldin is on the field, he outplays Fitz. I have PLENTY of stats and achievements to back that up that has yet to even be discussed in this thread.
Your side of the argument is just based on your opinion. Which is fine. But, the facts win out over opinion every time.

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='148605' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:19 AM']After watching the Super Bowl, I can't help but think about the Ravens and how they can get to this point. Both teams got big-time plays from their receivers. No one really be talking about Anquan Boldin but he had a very good game and Fitzgerald put on a show late. Holmes has done it all year and did it again tonight with some HUGE plays.

We've all said it at one point but the Ravens need a playmaker at receiver. I want them to get a corner like D.J. Moore or Alphonso Smith in the draft but I really hope they draft and finally hit on a receiver this year.

Mason is only getting older and Clayton will probably never be able to do what Holmes does unless he has someone taking pressure off him.[/quote]
I believe that we can get a play maker in the draft...He can be shaped and molden by Cam the way the Ravens want him to be...

[codizzle]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='149816' date='Feb 3 2009, 11:45 AM']Fitzgerald's (6'3'') vertical leap: 42''
Moss's (6'4'') vertical leap: 51"

Fitzgerald's forty time: 4.56
Moss's forty time: 4.25

Fitzgerald can catch the ball with 1 hand
Moss can catch the ball with 3 fingers

Brady went down. He has a guy throwing to him that b4 this season has never started a football games since his high school playing career. Vs. Fitzgerald who has Kurt Warner (Superbowl MVP) throwing to him.

New England threw the ball 534 times in the reg. Season for 3,569 yards. Arizona threw the ball 630 times for 4,674 yards. New England finished the reg. Season 6th overall in rushing offense (2,278 yards), 4th in rushing attempts (513). The Arizona Cardinals finished the re. season 32nd overall in rushing offense (1,178 yards), 32nd in rushing attempts (340).

I rest my case. And if you need further proof that Moss is the best WR in the league go to youtube.[/quote]

those are combine numbers for both of them ./.. i googled them too... fitzgerald was hurt at the combine . i guess you dont remember that

and if u want to go deep than you could throw in coaching staff also bill belicheck vs. scott linehan???????

[flynismo]

Here's the best way to settle it...
How about you just compare their stats.

Moss = Single season TD record
5 seasons 13+ TD's
6 seasons 1,300+ yards
6 seasons 18+ 20 yards receptions (threw that in since there was debate over who was the better deep threat)
Yards per Catch (career avg) - 15.7 (threw that in again because of deep threat argument)

Fitz = Never had 13+ TD's
3 seasons 1,300+ yards
3 seasons 18+ 20 yards receptions
Yards per Catch (career avg) - 14.0 ypc

Moss > Fitz + Breaston combined

[codizzle]

if boldin was so much better and was arizona's go to guy then why did larry fitzgerald break all of the postseason records for a WR.

thank you end of story

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' post='150359' date='Feb 4 2009, 12:52 AM']Here's the best way to settle it...
How about you just compare their stats.

Moss = Single season TD record
5 seasons 13+ TD's
6 seasons 1,300+ yards
6 seasons 18+ 20 yards receptions (threw that in since there was debate over who was the better deep threat)
Yards per Catch (career avg) - 15.7 (threw that in again because of deep threat argument)

Fitz = Never had 13+ TD's
3 seasons 1,300+ yards
3 seasons 18+ 20 yards receptions
Yards per Catch (career avg) - 14.0 ypc

Moss > Fitz + Breaston combined[/quote]
so technically fitz would be better because he is 5 years younger than moss... and he already is only 3 years of production behind in terms of yards and season with 18+ reception

boldin takes away a lot of fitz's td's... moss has never played with a TD threat like boldin.. ( i know he played with carter in the beginning but then carter became mainly a possession receiver)
fitz has only been in the league five years

[flynismo]

lol, giving up on the Moss argument so you pickin' on Boldin now?

No one in their right mind thinks that Boldin is significantly better than Fitz, nor Fitz significantly better than Boldin. You really have to split hairs to decide which you think is better. Boldin is a beast, and despite only playing 3/4 season he still nearly matched Fitzgerald's stats for the entire year. Then on the other hand, Fitz had a historic postseason, which counts for something dammit. So far, Boldin's numbers are as good/better.

But who cares really? They are both potential HOF players, and in context to this thread, we need to do what it takes to get Boldin if the opportunity presented itself.

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' post='150363' date='Feb 4 2009, 02:01 AM']so technically fitz would be better because he is 5 years younger than moss... and he already is only 3 years of production behind in terms of yards and season with 18+ reception

[b]boldin takes away a lot of fitz's td's... moss has never played with a TD threat like boldin..[/b] ( i know he played with carter in the beginning but then carter became mainly a possession receiver)
fitz has only been in the league five years[/quote]

But I thought Boldin couldn't hold Fitz' jockstrap?


*Edit-

That's also ignoring the huge edge Moss has in YPC, which is the true indicator of a consistent playmaker.
And no technicalities about it, until Fitz puts up anything close to what Moss has done, it's ludicrous to say he's on Moss' level.

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' post='150365' date='Feb 4 2009, 01:07 AM']But I thought Boldin couldn't hold Fitz' jockstrap?[/quote]
did i say that?

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' post='150366' date='Feb 4 2009, 02:09 AM']did i say that?[/quote]
[quote name='codizzle'][i]
if boldin was so much better and was arizona's go to guy then why did larry fitzgerald break all of the postseason records for a WR. [/i][/quote]


More or less...

[codizzle]

no someone else said that earlier in the thread... i never took that much from boldin....??????

boldin is a great receiver.

i just think fitz is better

[3Zach21]

[quote name='flynismo' post='150107' date='Feb 3 2009, 05:10 PM']See, here's the difference between your argument and GQ's...

He presented you with cold hard stats. When Boldin is on the field, he outplays Fitz. I have PLENTY of stats and achievements to back that up that has yet to even be discussed in this thread.
Your side of the argument is just based on your opinion. Which is fine. But, the facts win out over opinion every time.[/quote]

Boldin does not outplay Fitz on the field! Checkout the SB. Checkout the playoffs. Sure Boldin was injured, for one game.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='150091' date='Feb 3 2009, 04:38 PM']I'm bringing up stats to prove my point that Anquan Boldin is the Arizona Cardinals main target. He gets more balls thrown to him than Larry Fitzgerald does for a REASON...He is their playmaker. T.O. and Randy Moss are two different style WRs, but they're both dominant and elite are they not? You're making it seem like Fitzgerald is x10 better than Boldin, which is a joke.

You think Fitzgerald is a better leader? For crying out loud BOLDIN IS THEIR FREAKING TEAM CAPTAIN!! Do you even know what you're talking about? The only reason Fitzgerald gets double coverage is bcuz no one is afraid of getting beat deep by Boldin. He doesn't have field stretching speed. Larry Fitzgerald is a double move WR with speed that is why he gets the safety's attention.

And Anquan Boldin IS THEIR #1 WR!! Why else do you think they throw his way more???? Clayton has more Athletic skillz (faster, jumps, hands) than Mason, does that make him our #1 WR?

Fitzgerald maybe one of the most athletic WRs in the entire league, it does not mean he is the best WR. There is more to that position than just Catching passes. It's almost pointless trying to enlighten you especially since this thread is about the [u]Ravens needing a playmaking WR[/u] (thus the Boldin talk). Fitzgerald is locked to a long term contract so it's pointless to bring him into this discussion bcuz he's not leaving Arizona. Boldin on the other hand wants a new contract, Cardinals are going to be tight in cap space this year, and there have already been talks about the Ravens trading for him for the last 2 years. Anquan is a premier WR. Firzgerald is a premier WR. Stop making it seem like Ftz is waaaaayy better than Boldin bcuz you're making yourself look like an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.[/quote]

Well, then I guess Fitz is their new playmaker. Boldin didn't show me he is a playmaker. He's good, but not as much of a big play threat as Fitzgerald.

Sure it may be my opinion, but Fitz has convinced me he is the best WR in the league.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='codizzle' post='150368' date='Feb 4 2009, 02:15 AM']no someone else said that earlier in the thread... i never took that much from boldin....??????

boldin is a great receiver.

i just think fitz is better[/quote]


People are only trying to say Boldin is better or as good as Fitz because they believe he will be here in Baltimore.

[Purple Punishment]

true Zach, they are both very great, strong, physical receivers. Either one of them could be a #1 and thats what made AZ so dangerous.

[raven43]

Houshmanzadah, baby, housh. He's big, like Fitz. He's fast, like Fitz. he can catch, like Fitz. He can straight up moss people, like Fitz. I don't know if you all forgot, but we need to land Housh.