Time To Take Them Down

[Back In Black]

Catch was totally legit.

Vegas had nothing to do with anything.

Quick question, do you think that the Ravens have ever benifitted from a call here and there? Or are the Steelers the only ones who need "help"

[codizzle]

[quote name='Back In Black' post='148903' date='Feb 2 2009, 03:47 AM']I ask you all this.


1. What does the NFL gain from having the Steelers win this game when all of America wanted the Cards to win?

2. What do the refs have to gain from making bogus calls for Pittsburgh? Money? no don't even try that.

3. Why is it that when Pittsburgh wins a game of importance that they had it handed to them? They ever win a game that they actually, oh wow I can't believe I said this, Played well, made plays when they had to and pulled it out????[/quote]

dude ur gonna get biased opinions from us. u got ur own biased opinions... who cares...

pitt does do a good job of making plays when they have to... they did tonight and did against us.... what leads up to those plays has been questioned but yes pitt does make those plays it is annoying

[Back In Black]

[quote name='codizzle' post='148906' date='Feb 2 2009, 04:52 AM']dude ur gonna get biased opinions from us. u got ur own biased opinions... who cares...

pitt does do a good job of making plays when they have to... they did tonight and did against us.... what leads up to those plays has been questioned but yes pitt does make those plays it is annoying[/quote]
Oh I know I am gonna get those biased opinons LOL!

But I'll bash the Steelers when it's deserving. I'll give you three examples right now.

I hate our O Cord. He goes into super conservitive mode at the beginging of EVERY third quarter. And it's the same predictable play calling.

I can't stand that BEn waits until the playclock is a 1 to snap the ball. Gives the D a chance to get a running start

Give parker a Fullback. Three TE's don't help on a run up the middle

[Purple Punishment]

one of the most intriguing non calls of the game wasnt the fumble for me. It was the 15yd penalty after kickoff that should have been placed on Santonio Holmes for using the ball as a prop to imitate Lebron James. The officials can see Kurt Warner fumble but nobody on their crew noticed him using the ball as a prop. What a crock of shiznitto

[Purple Punishment]

I mean penalties and fines have been dished out all year for that kind of behavior so what gives on that? Is Santonio allowed to use the ball as a prop but nobody else is?

[Steelerman67]

Damn Purple, sounds like you wished the Steelers didn't win to me...

[Purple Punishment]

i just dont like when blatant penalties go uncalled. i mean if pitt won then we lost to the best team in football but the officials missing that? cmon

[Purple Punishment]

what else you got for me today steelerman? what is that some kind of a superhero name? Nah, the steelers superhero saviors are donning black and white with a yellow streemer in their pockets

[funky141]

I thought too some of the penalties in the first half were a little shady, exspecialy the roughing the passer against Arizona, bad call

but the second have wasn't too bad, better officials

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' post='148958' date='Feb 2 2009, 08:01 AM']what else you got for me today steelerman? what is that some kind of a superhero name? Nah, the steelers superhero saviors are donning black and white with a yellow streemer in their pockets[/quote]
What else do I have for you? Um 6 and counting? All you do is make me grin. Why? Your the type of fan is that one makes excuses or holds on to a few plays that you THINK may decide the game. When you really have no idea what you are talking about. The Steelers had to overcome penalties too. The saftey that took away a first down and would have probably ended the game was questionable. Two 15 yard penalties that kept drives alive for Arizona (one on taylor the other harrison) and we OVERCAME them. the Ben INT, what happend? Oh yeah, Harrison 100 yard TD, but I bet you think he stepped out of bounds or something right? Warner's 1st fumble should have been a fumble. I'm reading all your posts and it appears to me your the only Raven fan who is trying SO HARD to make excuses. As plays happen on the field they change the landscape of the entire game. What if they don't call the hold in the end zone? what if they didn't call that, what if, what if, what if. Your that what if person huh. woulda, coulda shoulda.

[Moderator 3]

Please stop addressing posts directly at each other. Stick to the subject or this thread is finished.

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Moderator 3' post='149023' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:45 AM']Please stop addressing posts directly at each other. Stick to the subject or this thread is finished.[/quote]You are right mod 3, my bad I think I did call out purple. Was just having fun. I apologize purple.

[Purple Punishment]

no problem its all in fun brother

[BlackNGold]

I think the main questionable call was the "roughing the passer"... that should not have been called, the guy was in motion and couldnt really stop from hitting Ben. The "fumble/incomplete pass" was reviewed... just not for very long, I think that was questionable as well... but the main thing was the ruling on the field was that it was a fumble, had it been ruled and incomplete pass... I as a Steeler fan would not have disputed it one bit evne if it lead to the game winning TD. I almost wish they would have called it incomplete just so we dont have to hear how we won from the refs... I dont think that is the case at all, the Steelers got their penatlies as well, including the questionable holding in the endzone.

[jfc13]

[quote name='BlackNGold' post='149046' date='Feb 2 2009, 10:24 AM']I think the main questionable call was the "roughing the passer"... that should not have been called, the guy was in motion and couldnt really stop from hitting Ben. The "fumble/incomplete pass" was reviewed... just not for very long, I think that was questionable as well... but the main thing was the ruling on the field was that it was a fumble, had it been ruled and incomplete pass... I as a Steeler fan would not have disputed it one bit evne if it lead to the game winning TD. I almost wish they would have called it incomplete just so we dont have to hear how we won from the refs... I dont think that is the case at all, the Steelers got their penatlies as well, including the questionable holding in the endzone.[/quote]
I agree that the roughing the passer call was probably the worst in the game. On the reverse side, I didn't expect the first Arizona challenge to be overturned. I could see how the call could go either way and I didn't see enough conclusive evidence to overturn the call made on the field - whichever way it went.

I was kind of pissed-off, however, that an unsportmanslike conduct call could only result in a half-a-yard penalty. It's probably been to our benefit at some time, but I think if the team is backed up to the endzone, and the penalty is for something that bad [as opposed to just holding, which happens in the course of the game and isn't necessarily a blatant lapse in judgment], then there should be some kind of additional penalty, like take a down away or something.

[BlackNGold]

[quote name='jfc13' post='149057' date='Feb 2 2009, 11:01 AM']I agree that the roughing the passer call was probably the worst in the game. On the reverse side, I didn't expect the first Arizona challenge to be overturned. I could see how the call could go either way and I didn't see enough conclusive evidence to overturn the call made on the field - whichever way it went.

I was kind of pissed-off, however, that an unsportmanslike conduct call could only result in a half-a-yard penalty. It's probably been to our benefit at some time, but I think if the team is backed up to the endzone, and the penalty is for something that bad [as opposed to just holding, which happens in the course of the game and isn't necessarily a blatant lapse in judgment], then there should be some kind of additional penalty, like take a down away or something.[/quote]

Ya... the roughing the passer was a bad call, I was pissed when they called that

I am glad that first TD was overturned, I was saying all night.. if its close, give the Cards the benefit of the doubt.

The problem with the Harrison call was, he did nothing illegal until after the whistle was blown, he was allowed to jump on that guy and sit on him until the whistle blew if he felt the need to, in which case it was just a personal foul and cant result in Cards keeping the ball because it occured after the play... however the last shove he threw was definitely uncalled for and it was unfortunate that all the PF penalty did was result in like a 1 yard loss

[mathias]

Welcome to the new sports entertainment where everything is as predetermind just like the WWF

[john utah]

[quote name='Back In Black' post='148860' date='Feb 2 2009, 03:26 AM']When you get out played one on one sometimes the only thing you can do is hold a guy, or get frustraited and do something dumb. Teh refs didn't loose this game for Arizona. They had their chance. all they had to do is stop an 87 yard drive.[/quote]

just like the game in baltimore. when it counted the cards couldn't man up just like the ravens d laid down in their own house.

[Purple Punishment]

uhhhhh wat?

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

If you had 12 seconds to go about 50 yards, what 3 receivers would you want on your team. Um, I dont know about you but Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston are 3 pretty dam good options! I saw the replays of the supposed "fumble" and to me it was an incomplete pass. The ball was still in his hand as his hand was going forward; thats an incomplete pass. Thats not the point. The point is that this was the F****** Superbowl. It's sickening that they didnt take the time to properly review it.

All the Steeler fans that cant admit that; shame on you. I'm not talking about all of the other biased calls in the game, just this one to be specific. Taking the game out of Warner's hand is a Crappy way of winning. There was more football to be played.

I find it even more sickening that none of the commentators even questioned what the hell was going on. When Pittsburgh was allowed to snap the ball and end the game.

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Rocky Mountain Raven' post='149081' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:23 PM']If you had 12 seconds to go about 50 yards, what 3 receivers would you want on your team. Um, I dont know about you but Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston are 3 pretty dam good options! I saw the replays of the supposed "fumble" and to me it was an incomplete pass. The ball was still in his hand as his hand was going forward; thats an incomplete pass. Thats not the point. The point is that this was the F****** Superbowl. It's sickening that they didnt take the time to properly review it.

All the Steeler fans that cant admit that; shame on you. I'm not talking about all of the other biased calls in the game, just this one to be specific. Taking the game out of Warner's hand is a Crappy way of winning. There was more football to be played.

I find it even more sickening that none of the commentators even questioned what the hell was going on. When Pittsburgh was allowed to snap the ball and end the game.[/quote]Let's talk about this specific play then, if you wish. Watch the replay again. Do you know the rule? The ball MUST BE IN CONTROL in the player's hand when it is going forward (Just like the first one where it was reversed, and it was the right call, he had control and his arm going forward). In the 2nd one, he gets hit and the ball comes lose just before his hand starts forward, at this point it doesn't matter if his arm is moving forward and pushes the lose ball. There is no grey area on this one, sorry, It's been shown and explained on the NFL Network all year when they go over these on the official review. Ball must be in control when arm going forward. Go watch it again 20x's if you wish. I go back and say again, the reason Warner got hit on th is play is because they were trying to throw it deep. One thing the Cards did well all game was get the ball out in about 3 seconds or less, but when you have to hold it over 5, those linebackers are going to get a hit on you. Sorry it hurts that we took another one. I understand how it must feel. But, it just makes it all that much more sweeter that you have to cling on to one play, or one call that you THINK decides the game. All I know is this, when you make a trip to our Stadium and you go through our hall, you will see 6 of em there. That is where they reside. There is no message thread, no reply, nothing that will change that. I just expect more from Raven fans in general. Here's a quote from a writer about the Steelers, who is obviously impartial..

[i][b]This is why the Steelers are unlike any other professional sports franchise. They win in ways you can respect. They beat the Arizona Cardinals 27-23 in arguably the best Super Bowl game ever, and the Steelers spend the post game complimenting the other team as much as they compliment their own.
[/b][/i] It's been like this since the 70's man, what makes you think it will ever change? Ben is only in his 5th year, we got two and we are young and Tomlin is hungry. IT may be time to embrace it instead of fight it... And quite honestly, all you are going to do is get all the messages removed when you keep this up, so you are not going to get your voice heard at all anyway. It is what it is. But making these excuses doesn't help your cause, it just shows that your not being objective in your rationalization of what actually happened on the play. It's human nature to do this to help you cope with how much you didn't want to see The Steelers yet win another one. Hey, ya know what they say. If you can't beat em, join em. We are cool with that, just exchange the purple for gold and your good to go...

[raywho]

[quote name='Back In Black' post='148903' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:47 AM']I ask you all this.


1. What does the NFL gain from having the Steelers win this game when all of America wanted the Cards to win?

2. What do the refs have to gain from making bogus calls for Pittsburgh? Money? no don't even try that.

3. Why is it that when Pittsburgh wins a game of importance that they had it handed to them? They ever win a game that they actually, oh wow I can't believe I said this, Played well, made plays when they had to and pulled it out????[/quote]

1- nothing
2- nothing
3- envy, jealousy, haters etc. etc. etc..

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Steelerman67' post='149093' date='Feb 2 2009, 10:46 AM']Let's talk about this specific play then, if you wish. Watch the replay again. Do you know the rule? The ball MUST BE IN CONTROL in the player's hand when it is going forward (Just like the first one where it was reversed, and it was the right call, he had control and his arm going forward). In the 2nd one, he gets hit and the ball comes lose just before his hand starts forward, at this point it doesn't matter if his arm is moving forward and pushes the lose ball. There is no grey area on this one, sorry, It's been shown and explained on the NFL Network all year when they go over these on the official review. Ball must be in control when arm going forward. Go watch it again 20x's if you wish. I go back and say again, the reason Warner got hit on th is play is because they were trying to throw it deep. One thing the Cards did well all game was get the ball out in about 3 seconds or less, but when you have to hold it over 5, those linebackers are going to get a hit on you. Sorry it hurts that we took another one. I understand how it must feel. But, it just makes it all that much more sweeter that you have to cling on to one play, or one call that you THINK decides the game. All I know is this, when you make a trip to our Stadium and you go through our hall, you will see 6 of em there. That is where they reside. There is no message thread, no reply, nothing that will change that. I just expect more from Raven fans in general. Here's a quote from a writer about the Steelers, who is obviously impartial..

[i][b]This is why the Steelers are unlike any other professional sports franchise. They win in ways you can respect. They beat the Arizona Cardinals 27-23 in arguably the best Super Bowl game ever, and the Steelers spend the post game complimenting the other team as much as they compliment their own.
[/b][/i] It's been like this since the 70's man, what makes you think it will ever change? Ben is only in his 5th year, we got two and we are young and Tomlin is hungry. IT may be time to embrace it instead of fight it...[/quote]


Go ahead, dance around the fact that it should have been reviewed. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED!!!!!! Maybe it was an incomplete pass, maybe it wasnt. I'm certainly not going to take a Steelers word for it, or the biased Steeler media. Give me a break, what kind of a fan cant admit a controversial play in the F****** superbowl should have been reviewed. What a JOKE!

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Rocky Mountain Raven' post='149096' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:51 PM']Go ahead, dance around the fact that it should have been reviewed. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED!!!!!! Maybe it was an incomplete pass, maybe it wasnt. I'm certainly not going to take a Steelers word for it, or the biased Steeler media. Give me a break, what kind of a fan cant admit a controversial play in the F****** superbowl should have been reviewed. What a JOKE![/quote]
You really think that is what the joke is in this thread? You don't have to take my word for it. I don't have to prove anything to you, I'm just trying to educate you on the rule. If you don't want to learn, I can't help you then. The bottom line was did they make the right call or not. Do you want them to make the right call? OR do you want them to REVERSE it because you wanted Arizona to win? Think about that for a minute.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Steelerman67' post='149101' date='Feb 2 2009, 11:55 AM']You really think that is what the joke is in this thread? You don't have to take my word for it. I don't have to prove anything to you, I'm just trying to educate you on the rule. If you don't want to learn, I can't help you then.[/quote]

Let me clear the yellow from your eyes friend. The ball was going forward as it was in control of his hand. Funny how you fight against a non-review of a play, probably because it would have been overturned. The rule is an automatic booth review of controversial calls within the last 2minutes of the game. Reading comprehension skills come into play here. The question is not if it were a fumble. The question is why didnt they review it. Have a little class and admit it should've been reviewed.

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Rocky Mountain Raven' post='149109' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:04 PM']Let me clear the yellow from your eyes friend. The ball was going forward as it was in control of his hand. Funny how you fight against a non-review of a play, probably because it would have been overturned. The rule is an automatic booth review of controversial calls within the last 2minutes of the game. Reading comprehension skills come into play here. The question is not if it were a fumble. The question is why didnt they review it. Have a little class and admit it should've been reviewed.[/quote]I've read your posts, and you talk to me about class. Like I said, I don't have to prove it to you, the video doesn't lie. How come your the only one talking about this? I just enjoy the fact that your soooooo upset about this. Who says it is an automatic booth review? The booth calls for the review if they think the call is in question, it's only in question in your eyes.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Steelerman67' post='149111' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:09 PM']I've read your posts, and you talk to me about class. Like I said, I don't have to prove it to you, the video doesn't lie. How come your the only one talking about this? I just enjoy the fact that your soooooo upset about this. Who says it is an automatic booth review? The booth calls for the review if they think the call is in question, it's only in question in your eyes.[/quote]

Yeah, my eyes. Do a google and join the million or so conversations going on about the call. It's so amusing to me, try saying this out loud. It should have been reviewed. It feels good to admit an injustice. Judging by your posts I wouldnt expect you to understand. You'll take a win any way you can get it.

[H8R]

My question is: why do Steelers fans come to the Baltimore Ravens Message board AFTER Pittsburgh wins a SuperBowl? It's certainly to rub salt into ANY open wounds we(Baltimore Ravens Fans) had from the season that has PASSEd for the Ravens. I think it's silly to come to OUR board and Gloat, that shows lack of class and dignity. Enjoy the SuperBowl victory until next season, then another journey begins. Who knows, next year you guys could have 20 players on IR and battle without a bye etc... Each year is different and Each year has it's Champion. 6Super bowl titles does not mean to me your the best team ever, it means you were the best team 6 years. The 49ers won 5 before you guys, yet were they the best team in history until you guys won 6? Nope, they sucked shortly after that record breaking Win. I give credit where it's do, its a great feat to have 6 rings NO QUESTIONS. Remember though, next year could be another teams year. The Ravens have done PLENTY in a short history and have nothing to be dissapointed about as a Franchise. For you to ask us to "Embrace' the Steelers is like asking the Shiites to embrace the Suni's.

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='Rocky Mountain Raven' post='149114' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:15 PM']Yeah, my eyes. Do a google and join the million or so conversations going on about the call. It's so amusing to me, try saying this out loud. It should have been reviewed. It feels good to admit an injustice. Judging by your posts I wouldnt expect you to understand. You'll take a win any way you can get it.[/quote]
Oh, you mean all the Steeler haters are posting this? Shocking!!! There is Steeler Nation, then everyone else, like you, who the day after they run on message boards and make excuses as to why we won. Google it? Are you kidding me? Show me where someone that means something like Peter King, or Vince Carruci, or Chris Mortensen. Someone who really KNOWS what they are talking about. Not a message board thread of haters.

Your that guy. I bet you still think Santonio Holmes didn't score that game winning TD at your house? I bet you think that the Clarke hit was illegal. Your that guy. One who thinks he knows the game, but really only feels one thing, HATE toward the Steelers. I'm sorry it hurts so much man. I feel your pain, but regardless if you and all the Steeler Haters THINK it should have reviewed is not the point, which you think it is. Is if they got the call correct.

Just an FYI, it has already been confirmed by officials that it WAS a fumble, and the booth didn't call for the review because it was clear. I've included a pic JUST FOR YOU. Because, I care.

[Steelerman67]

[quote name='H8R' post='149118' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:23 PM']My question is: why do Steelers fans come to the Baltimore Ravens Message board AFTER Pittsburgh wins a SuperBowl? It's certainly to rub salt into ANY open wounds we(Baltimore Ravens Fans) had from the season that has PASSEd for the Ravens. I think it's silly to come to OUR board and Gloat, that shows lack of class and dignity. Enjoy the SuperBowl victory until next season, then another journey begins. Who knows, next year you guys could have 20 players on IR and battle without a bye etc... Each year is different and Each year has it's Champion. 6Super bowl titles does not mean to me your the best team ever, it means you were the best team 6 years. The 49ers won 5 before you guys, yet were they the best team in history until you guys won 6? Nope, they sucked shortly after that record breaking Win. I give credit where it's do, its a great feat to have 6 rings NO QUESTIONS. Remember though, next year could be another teams year. The Ravens have done PLENTY in a short history and have nothing to be dissapointed about as a Franchise. For you to ask us to "Embrace' the Steelers is like asking the Shiites to embrace the Suni's.[/quote]
My question is this to you. Why do raven fans after every game blame the refs? When do you accept defeat? We surely do when you beat us, we don't make excuses. That is what ususally starts it, don't you think? I've done nothing but complement your franchise although it's been a big rivalry. And my past posts show that. I have a respect for how you guys play ball.