Which Corner Would You Take?

[Ed_Reed20]

Most people would say Malcolm Jenkins and Vontae Davis are the top 2 corners in the draft. I don't think Jenkins will the corner people imagine but he's pretty and so is Davis who some say has the best physical skills of all the corners in the draft. After them, the rankings seem to vary depending on where you look. Moore and Smith aren't big but they are both playmakers. I think A.Smith has the ACC's all-time record for interceptions while Moore recorded 12 picks in his last two year and even made some big plays on offense. Sean Smith probably has the most potential due to his size but I haven't seen him turn and run which is key for someone his size.

Which corner would you guys take? Is their someone else you would take?

[52Kia Kaha92]

MY CB Rankings
1 - Malcom Jenkins
2 - DJ moore
3 - Alphonso Smith
4 - Sean Smith
5 - Vontae Davis

that is my top 5 and IMO Sean Smith will be there when we pick and if he is i want us to pick him, the guys has fluid hips and can run with a receiver which is what you want in a corner

[Bltravens]

Moore and Alphonso Smith are your ball hawking corners, guys who are going to get picks and have great ball skills. Jenkins and Davis are your pure shutdown corners, big physical guys that can go toe to toe with guys in man coverage but have slightly less int numbers (jenkins had 3 this year and Davis 2). Sean Smith is an intriguing prospect, at 6'3 he would have no problems going against teams tall vertical threats and he has some ball skills with 5 ints. Depending on Sean Smiths combine 40 he could find himself as a first round selection.

[Ed_Reed20]

Would you please be able to give me some positives and negatives you see in D.J. Moore and Vontae Davis?

If Sean Smith can turn and run, I want the Ravens to get him too.

[Ed_Reed20]

I know it's just one play but Smith has the ball skills. I remember he made a really nice play against Julio Jones in the Sugar Bowl deep down the field. And this play just says it all:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k[/url]

[20ravens52]

I want to examine Sean Smith in the combine in all aspects of his play. Ball skills, 40 time, and his hips to see if he can actually play corner in the NFL. If he does well I wouldn't mind picking him up with the 26th.

[Bltravens]

Davis upside is obviously his size strength and speed, like his brother he is a outstanding pure athlete. At times he is guilty of over persuit and being over aggressive in making a tackle. Davis also doesnt seem to be a playmaker like some other corners in the draft interception wise with only 2.

DJ Moore's biggest plus is that he is a ball hawk (13 ints in 37 games) is very quick, and has good field awareness. His obvious knock is that he is too small to be a teams #1 corner at 5'10 and better suited for a zone style defense (much like an asante samuel).

According to a couple draft specialist websites ive found and used over a couple years.

[wspencer]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='146075' date='Jan 28 2009, 03:06 PM']Moore and Alphonso Smith are your ball hawking corners, guys who are going to get picks and have great ball skills. Jenkins and Davis are your pure shutdown corners, big physical guys that can go toe to toe with guys in man coverage but have slightly less int numbers (jenkins had 3 this year and Davis 2). Sean Smith is an intriguing prospect, at 6'3 he would have no problems going against teams tall vertical threats and he has some ball skills with 5 ints. Depending on Sean Smiths combine 40 he could find himself as a first round selection.[/quote]

*sigh.....

davis is a ZONE STYLE corner. to say he's a "pure shutdown corner" and "can go toe to toe with guys in man coverage" is just absolutely, 100% incorrect. jenkins can play both man and zone coverage. dj moore and alphonso smith are the pure Man cover corners in the draft that will go in the first round.

[Bltravens]

To say anyone is anything in a draft is incorrect i was merely stating as to what the consensus was with each player. You make it seem like I said all of them were guaranteed studs. Im sorry A smith is 5'9 he is not the pure man coverage he is simply too small and struggles against bigger stronger recievers because of this. DJ Moore is 5'10 and a great corner dont get me wrong he has excellent ball skills but he is not exactly ideal in press man coverage. Moore is comparable to an Asante Samuel or Ellis Hobbs, good players, but not pure man coverage corners and both are the exact same size as dj moore. Lastly Davis is not a zone style cover and is quite good at press at the LOS.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='146368' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:01 PM']To say anyone is anything in a draft is incorrect i was merely stating as to what the consensus was with each player. You make it seem like I said all of them were guaranteed studs. Im sorry A smith is 5'9 he is not the pure man coverage he is simply too small and struggles against bigger stronger recievers because of this. DJ Moore is 5'10 and a great corner dont get me wrong he has excellent ball skills but he is not exactly ideal in press man coverage. Moore is comparable to an Asante Samuel or Ellis Hobbs, good players, but not pure man coverage corners and both are the exact same size as dj moore. Lastly Davis is not a zone style cover and is quite good at press at the LOS.[/quote]


What does 1 measly inch make a difference of???
he is the best man coverage corner in the draft (IMO, Malcolm Jenkins has his bad moments, getting beat deep)

[Bltravens]

When you throw a 5'9 corner in man coverage unless the reciever is under 6 foot he is already at a disadvantage before the ball is snapped. Especially when Smith will be lined up against each teams #1 or at the worst #2.

[Bltravens]

You really think he'll have a chance against Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Braylon Edwards, or a Randy Moss? All of whom the Ravens will see next year.

[RavensIQ]

Jenkin is the complete cornerback. He is a shutdown cornerback. He will be a CB that can come in and have an instant impact on our defense. He's the most polished and the most well rounded. Vontae Davis is a very fast CB but he's raw. He probably has the most talent of all the CBs but it might take awhile b4 he converts into a starting role at the NFL level. Alphonzo Smith is a beast. He is probably the best cornerback in the entire draft. But...he's short. He's only 5'8''. He can go step for step with any WR at the next level but when he faces guys like Randy Moss and Plexy Glass his height will become an issue and a factor. That's the knock on him, but he is an amazing back. (IF 5'8'' steve Smith can dominate at WR why can't Alphonzo?) Sean Smith is becoming more and more intriguing as a prospect but he played for the Utah Utes. So the competition he's faced could be suspect. If he goes in the 1st then that means somebody really really special will drop into the 2nd which is promising for us. So after Davis and Jenkins, it evens out. As for Dj Moore? I have no idea..

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='146479' date='Jan 28 2009, 08:43 PM']When you throw a 5'9 corner in man coverage unless the reciever is under 6 foot he is already at a disadvantage before the ball is snapped. Especially when Smith will be lined up against each teams #1 or at the worst #2.[/quote]


DJ Moore is 5'10 -.-
1 inch difference from Alphonso Smith

I do not think 1 inch is the border for defending or not defending receivers

[Bltravens]

Exactly nowhere did i state A Smith was garbage but what the ravens lack right now is the physically dominating corner, a guy that bullies WR and is too big and too fast (ala CMac out of Arizona). While A Smith would be great if the defense played like a patriots D or a titans zone/man hybrid I would just feel sick everytime the ball was in the air and Smith was one on one with a reciever not his height.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='146487' date='Jan 28 2009, 09:03 PM']Exactly nowhere did i state A Smith was garbage but what the ravens lack right now is the physically dominating corner, a guy that bullies WR and is too big and too fast (ala CMac out of Arizona). While A Smith would be great if the defense played like a patriots D or a titans zone/man hybrid I would just feel sick everytime the ball was in the air and Smith was one on one with a reciever not his height.[/quote]

The ravens do not play press-man much, so we do not need a very physical corner,
we just need one with solid man to man coverage

[52Kia Kaha92]

Vontae Davis is not the number two corner in this class, he is purely a zone corner in the NFL and is a workout warrior, he wont be a number one in the pros, hes a number two guy

Malcom Jenkins is not a great corner, he is a good one but not great, he bites on pump fakes way to easily and when playing zones takes WAY to many chances, i dont think he could play in the man to man we run as his hips arent fluid

Sean Smith is my guy, if this guy falls to us i would run up to he podium and yell the ravens pick Sean Smith, he has great size, good speed for hi size at about 4.49 so he can run with receievers, he has great hands, great awarness, great tackler and most importantly he played as a press corner in utah and he posp his hips well and they are very fluid so he could play man to man every down

Alphonso Smith, if the guy was 6'0 he would be a top 10 pick and the first corner taken, a guy with as good of coverage skill of him dont come around often and he awarness to jump rotes in unbelievable, he will slip due to his size but if Brandon Flowers can do it i believe Smith can aswell

DJ moore is a good corner as he is lighting fast and has a knack for picking off the ball and even in man to man coverage which he excels in, he is a better man to man than zone player due to his hips, the guy is 5'10 which is not tall but he is still 2 inches taller than smith,

Sean Smith is the guy i want for us, i love him in every aspect

And with the 26th pick the Baltimore Ravens select Sean Smith, CB , Utah

[futurerRaven]

i also want jenkins first and foremost im a big ten fan and ive seen him and davis play and davis is also really good jenkins reeminds me of namdi asomougha big long and can run with any reciever also even if he isnt a proto type cb he would be a great safety where scouts say hes even better at ohio state the moved him all over the field. davis is another story tho hes big and fast has fluid hips and can make you feel like your open and then just pop up out of no where he reminds me of champ bailey i also like victor harris as a second or 3rd rounder hes a good prospect and with mayb a year or 2 could really develop into a starter

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='146081' date='Jan 28 2009, 03:10 PM']I know it's just one play but Smith has the ball skills. I remember he made a really nice play against Julio Jones in the Sugar Bowl deep down the field. And this play just says it all:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k[/url][/quote]

Eww!! That was sick...you're right though; that one play did show quite a bit.
I'd like to see more on this guy; if he can run a sub- 4.5, and doesn't pull a Vince Young on the Wonderlic, and can tackle, we may have found our 1st round pick.

[Bltravens]

The more stuff I look at with Sean Smith the more I like him, even though hes from a smaller school in a not well known conference neither was DRC (tennesse st), leodis mckelvin(Troy- he came into his own towards the middle end of the season) in last years draft. Depending on his combine 40 like Ive said before will determine where he goes. Ive seen his 40 listed at 4.52 which is unofficial.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bltravens' post='146557' date='Jan 29 2009, 12:25 AM']The more stuff I look at with Sean Smith the more I like him, even though hes from a smaller school in a not well known conference neither was DRC (tennesse st), leodis mckelvin(Troy- he came into his own towards the middle end of the season) in last years draft. Depending on his combine 40 like Ive said before will determine where he goes. Ive seen his 40 listed at 4.52 which is unofficial.[/quote]

Darn, I was hoping to see a low 4.4, but that's okay. Intelligence and effort makes up for a lot of physical deficiencies, to a degree (just ask Samari Rolle).

[raven43]

1. Michael Jenkins
2. Vontae Davis
3. DJ Moore

Jenkins and Davis will be gone by the time we pick, barring a trade (which only Jenkins is really worth), and DJ Moore is defenitly the next best corner available.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

What about Mike Mickens????? hes 5'11 and 175-180 but he has great cover skills, and if he adds 20 or so pounds, could really be a good corner imo. He may fall well into the second round because of a knee injury at the senior bowl, plus the other good players at cb this year. I think we should really think about him if we get a shot.

I would like to see a 6'0" + up guy playing across from Fabian in the upcoming years, but there are plenty of good corners who aren't that big. I don't want us to reach for a 1st round corner if one isn't there for us, thats all.

[wspencer]

i like mickens as a late 2nd round corner. has the tools, just needs them polished

[RoflDogs]

I like Mike Mickens a lot, he has all the tools to be a successful CB
My top 5 corners
1. Malcolm Jenkins
2. Alphonso Smith
3. Dj Moore
4. Vontae Davis (has attitude and work ethic problems)
5. Sean Smith (He's only there because I have heard so much praise from other board members)

[wspencer]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='148337' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:02 PM']I like Mike Mickens a lot, he has all the tools to be a successful CB
My top 5 corners
1. Malcolm Jenkins
2. Alphonso Smith
3. Dj Moore
4. Vontae Davis (has attitude and work ethic problems)
5. Sean Smith (He's only there because I have heard so much praise from other board members)[/quote]

wow. i totally agree with your top 5. that's exactly the same as mine. closing out the top 10 for me, i have....

6. darius butler
7. coye francis
8. mike mickens
9. macho harris
10. carry harris

[52Kia Kaha92]

i agrere with your top 10 there moderator 9,
nice list

[Ed_Reed20]

Mickens struggled in the Senior Bowl but he would be a quality second round pick.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='146507' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:06 PM']Sean Smith is my guy, if this guy falls to us i would run up to he podium and yell the ravens pick Sean Smith, he has great size, good speed for hi size at about 4.49 so he can run with receievers, he has great hands, great awarness, great tackler and most importantly he played as a press corner in utah and he posp his hips well and they are very fluid so he could play man to man every down

And with the 26th pick the Baltimore Ravens select Sean Smith, CB , Utah[/quote]

It's not that I don't believe you but I want to Smith myself. He made some plays in the Sugar Bowl but I really wasn't watching him too keenly.

At the Combine, his 40 time will say a lot but the most important workouts for him will be the shuttle and three-cone drills. If he does well on those then I will be convinced.

[Ed_Reed20]

D.J. Moore highlights. Very impressive...

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