2009 Nfl Draft

[Marc2k6]

The Baltimore Raven's season has come to a end but now we just move on to the off season so it is never really over. What is your 2009 NFL Draft wish list? Name player's, school and position.

[RavenFan626]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='145953' date='Jan 28 2009, 11:13 AM']The Baltimore Raven's season has come to a end but now we just move on to the off season so it is never really over. What is your 2009 NFL Draft wish list? Name player's, school and position. [/quote]

Wish list that I wish we could get them or wish list of players I think will be available and hope they get?

[3Zach21]

Well we are not gonna get all of these of course, but my Wish list would be
Crabtree WR Texas Tech
DHB WR Maryland
Vontae Davis CB Illinois
DJ Moore CB Vandy
Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio St.
Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina

[Ravens52]

Any good wide receiver, cornerback, or defensive end would do good for me.

[PuRock]

Whoever is ready to contribute right away and doesn't have the "fragile" label.

[Shawn`]

I'd like to see us get a CB first round, if I had to pick one that drops to our pick maybe Vontae Davis.

Then I want to see us pick up Ramses Barden as a late round steal, Or even Kenny Brit, nobody talks about these two but Kenny is 6'4 214 and a better route runner than Barden. I don't know either of these giants would be a great addition in my book.

[tpain]

WR Kenny Britt Rutgers
WR Ramses Barden Cal Poly
CB Mark Parsons Ohio

[RavensIQ]

I wish...

we could trade for Anquan Boldin.

I wish...

we could draft Malcom Jenkins or Michael Crabtree or Jeremy Maclin or Michael Johnson or Duke Robinson in the 1st.

I wish...

we could draft Phil Loadholt and Dominique Johnson at some point in the 1st day.

I wish...

we will take a close look at Kevin Barnes, Derrek Williams, and Joaquin Iglesia.

[tweety]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='145995' date='Jan 28 2009, 01:24 PM']I wish...

we could trade for Anquan Boldin.

I wish...

we could draft Malcom Jenkins or Michael Crabtree or Jeremy Maclin or Michael Johnson or Duke Robinson in the 1st.

I wish...

we could draft Phil Loadholt and Dominique Johnson at some point in the 1st day.[/quote]
Too get Anquan there would be no first day, or atleast a very boring one.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='tweety' post='146024' date='Jan 28 2009, 02:14 PM']Too get Anquan there would be no first day, or atleast a very boring one.[/quote]


Says who? We would still have the 2nd round in day 1. And what if Ozzie gets extra picks? What if we trade Suggs? Or McGahee? Or C'Mac?

And even if we did give up our 1st for Anquan Boldin name 1 player in the 1st round who is better.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146083' date='Jan 28 2009, 03:16 PM']Says who? We would still have the 2nd round in day 1. And what if Ozzie gets extra picks? What if we trade Suggs? Or McGahee? Or C'Mac?

And even if we did give up our 1st for Anquan Boldin name 1 player in the 1st round who is better.[/quote]


How many times do we have to reiterate this
McGahee is a raven for a good 5 years, live with it

Boldin is not coming to Baltimore
Cmac is worth a second day pick

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='146134' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:03 PM']How many times do we have to reiterate this
McGahee is a raven for a good 5 years, live with it

Boldin is not coming to Baltimore
Cmac is worth a second day pick

[b]And I don't know what I'm talking about bcuz when I was a baby my mother dropped me more times than a tv remote at Muhammad Ali's house.[/b][/quote]

Agreed. Oh, one more thing. I want to give you some advice. Loosen your helmet straps b4 you try to string together 2 or more sentences in the same post. I think the tension is cutting off the blood flow to your brain and is affecting your thought process.

If the team feels McGahee needs to be cut for whatever reason, he will be cut. If they release him after June they will actually save .6M against the cap and the $8.75M in dead money would carry over to 2010 (an uncapped year). C'Mac is worth more than a 2nd day draft pick simply bcuz he is an instant starter at one of the most sought out positions in the league. He's not worth a 1st round pick but if he was packaged in a trade of some sort (example: Cmac + 5th for a 2nd) then it would be even more likely that we would receive a 1st day draft pick for him. About Boldin...there has been talk about Baltimore trading for boldin for the last 2 years and it just so happens Anquan Boldin is not happy with his current contract situation [i]and[/i] Baltimore just so happens to need a #1 WR...

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146083' date='Jan 28 2009, 03:16 PM']Says who? We would still have the 2nd round in day 1. And what if Ozzie gets extra picks? What if we trade Suggs? Or McGahee? Or C'Mac?

And even if we did give up our 1st for Anquan Boldin name 1 player in the 1st round who is better.[/quote]

HAHA! Our team would take a serious decline if we did any of these. If we trade a 1 and 3 for Boldin, and then trade Suggs,McGahee, OR Cmac, I'm sorry but that would get us nowhere. It's not going to happen. And you cant say who is better in round 1 because they aren't proven in the 1st round yet, but Crabtree has the potential.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='146191' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:26 PM']HAHA! Our team would take a serious decline if we did any of these. If we trade a 1 and 3 for Boldin, and then trade Suggs,McGahee, OR Cmac, I'm sorry but that would get us nowhere. It's not going to happen.[b] And you cant say who is better in round 1 because they aren't proven in the 1st round yet, but Crabtree has the potential.[/b][/quote]

Exactly!. Boldin is [i]already[/i] proven Ryan Leaf had a lot of potential too...but Crabtree will be long gone b4 we select. By the time it's out turn to select in round 1 will the players available really be worth passing up a chance to acquire Anquan Boldin? Heyward-Bay or Boldin?

I'm not saying we should trade any of those players I'm just saying there [i]ARE[/i] possibilities to get additional day 1 draft picks.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146201' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:28 PM']Exactly!. Boldin is already proven Ryan Leaf had a lot of potential too...but Crabtree will be long gone b4 we select.

I'm not saying we should trade any of those players I'm just saying there [i]ARE[/i] possibilities to get additional day 1 draft picks.[/quote]

Boldin is proven in the Cardinals pass-heavy offense. You never know, maybe he would come to Baltimore and dissapear. This is why IMO we need a young WR to learn schemes and be here for a while.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='146213' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:31 PM']Boldin is proven in the Cardinals pass-heavy offense. You never know, maybe he would come to Baltimore and dissapear. This is why IMO we need a young WR to learn schemes and be here for a while.[/quote]

Um, if Boldin can't flourish on our team, then I don't have the least bit of confidence that some unknown kid fresh out of college can do it.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='146213' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:31 PM']Boldin is proven in the Cardinals pass-heavy offense. You never know, maybe he would come to Baltimore and dissapear. This is why IMO we need a young WR to learn schemes and be here for a while.[/quote]

Look at Limas Sweed. He was thought to be a great WR. Instant starter...do you even know what team he plays for now? When's the last time you heard his name?

Who's to say that young WR wouldn't be a bust. (*Ahem*Lamont Brightful, Travis Taylor)

[flynismo]

[quote name='tweety' post='146024' date='Jan 28 2009, 02:14 PM']Too get Anquan there would be no first day, or atleast a very boring one.[/quote]

Getting a Hall of Fame WR on day one sounds pretty exciting to me.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146226' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:34 PM']Look at Limas Sweed. He was thought to be a great WR. Instant starter...do you even know what team he plays for? When's the last time you heard his name?

Who's to say that young WR wouldn't be a bust. (*Ahem*Lamont Brightful, Travis Taylor)[/quote]

Steelers. Dropped the long ball in the AFC championship.

Check out Larry Fitzgerald. Instant starter. Super Bowl now.
Lamont Brightful was by no means suppose to be a strong WR here, he was mainly brought in for returns. And Travis is well, Travis. He had hints of greatness, but ultimately failed.

Eddie Royal
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson
..
These are just a few to name many WR that had an impact in their rookie season.

[Bullitt_711]

Is Dez White staying in school?

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='146238' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:40 PM']Steelers. Dropped the long ball in the AFC championship.

Check out Larry Fitzgerald. Instant starter. Super Bowl now.
Lamont Brightful was by no means suppose to be a strong WR here, he was mainly brought in for returns. And Travis is well, Travis. He had hints of greatness, but ultimately failed.

Eddie Royal
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson
..
These are just a few to name many WR that had an impact in their rookie season.[/quote]


Yeah but how do we know that the WR we draft isn't going to be the next Travis Taylor?

Yes there are gems in the draft. But even if the WR we drafted were to have this amazing career as a Baltimore Raven...would he be as good as Aqnuan Boldin? Anquan boldin is pretty damn good. Do you really think we'll find a 1st round wr that will go on to have a better career than Boldin? Seriously...??

It normally takes 3 years for WRs to fully mature into play makers. (Mark Clayton is a prime example) In 3 years from now how do we know our team will still be Super Bowl contenders? We could be like the lions...a horrible team with a great 1st round WR. Or how about we draft a proven pro bowler(boldin)...who would instantly upgrade our entire offense and allow us to stay elite for at least the next 5 years?

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146263' date='Jan 28 2009, 01:55 PM']Yeah but how do we know that the WR we draft isn't going to be the next Travis Taylor?

Yes there are gems in the draft. But even if the WR we drafted were to have this amazing career as a Baltimore Raven...would he be as good as Aqnuan Boldin? Anquan boldin is pretty damn good. Do you really think we'll find a 1st round wr that will go on to have a better career than Boldin? Seriously...??

It normally takes 3 years for WRs to fully mature into play makers. (Mark Clayton is a prime example) In 3 years from now how do we know our team will still be Super Bowl contenders? [b]We could be like the lions...a horrible team with a great 1st round WR.[/b] Or how about we draft a proven pro bowler(boldin)...who would instantly upgrade our entire offense and allow us to stay elite for at least the next 5 years?[/quote]

First off while Boldin is a great WR he's getting up there in years (I think he's 28 or 29) and he's less of a deep threat and more or a pounder who gets great yards after the catch. While that's a great thing we need to have a WR who can break things off quick and give Joe a weapon to pair with his cannon arm. (Actually I'd look at Vincent Jackson in San Diego as an example of a guy that Cam would like to pick up in the draft, he's always seemed to me to be Cam's ideal type of WR: size, speed, and hands.)

Second even if we were to get a great WR in the 1st round we still wouldn't be like the Lions because unlike the Lions we have a QB, a young and talented Oline, and a great defense even if some guys retire (i.e. Ray, Pryce, Gregg) because we have great young talent behind them (i.e. Ngata, Suggs) so to make that comparison is rather foolish and IMHO is just to try and get a knee jerk reaction from people to try and get them to agree with you. Because I mean be honest what has happened to the Lions was the result of years of terrible Front Office work and unless Ozzie suddenly becomes more inept than Al Davis I don't think that's going to happen to us.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='CARavensFan' post='146396' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:39 PM']First off while Boldin is a great WR he's getting up there in years (I think he's 28 or 29) and he's less of a deep threat and more or a pounder who gets great yards after the catch. While that's a great thing we need to have a WR who can break things off quick and give Joe a weapon to pair with his cannon arm. (Actually I'd look at Vincent Jackson in San Diego as an example of a guy that Cam would like to pick up in the draft, he's always seemed to me to be Cam's ideal type of WR: size, speed, and hands.)

Second even if we were to get a great WR in the 1st round we still wouldn't be like the Lions because unlike the Lions we have a QB, a young and talented Oline, and a great defense even if some guys retire (i.e. Ray, Pryce, Gregg) because we have great young talent behind them (i.e. Ngata, Suggs) so to make that comparison is rather foolish and IMHO is just to try and get a knee jerk reaction from people to try and get them to agree with you. Because I mean be honest what has happened to the Lions was the result of years of terrible Front Office work and unless Ozzie suddenly becomes more inept than Al Davis I don't think that's going to happen to us.[/quote]


That's besides the point....I'm not saying the Ravens will be anything like the Lions. It obviously went over your head. Even with Calvin Johnson, who is an absolute monster on the field, the Lions still suck. Agreed? What good is Calvin Johnson's talent if the Lions can't win? To suggest we keep our 1st round pick in hopes of drafting a player like Calvin Johnson, doesn't mean we will become a better team right away. It normally takes several years for WRs to mature into game impacting players. Calvin Johnson has been in the league for how many years now? Is he completely there yet? Is he at his best? Is he elite? No. And that's bcuz it takes awhile to adapt to the WR position in the nfl because it involves the most skill and it's at such a high level in terms of performance...

If in 3 years (when our 1st rd wr finally develops into a stud) Ed Reed Retires from a neck injury, Ray Lewis retires from age, Bart Scot is no longer here bcuz of FA, we trade Suggs to alleviate cap space and our defense falls apart, how much use would that 1st round WR do us then? Again look at how badly the Lions suck without a defense, even with Megatron lining up on the outsides the STILL SUCK! Not saying it's going to happen, but anything is possible. So why take a chance on the future when the present is right now? But...the point I'm trying to make is while we STILL have our All-stars like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Terrel Suggs, and bcuz they are all here right now, and we have a superowl caliber team right now...why wait on a WR to develop into a #1 WR several years from now to make our offense better, when we can go out and bring in Anquan Boldin who will have an IMMEDIATE impact on our offense and serve as an instant UPGRADE? (as of the very 1st game of the 2009 season)

Yes 1st round draft prospects are valuable bcuz that's how you build a successful franchise. But Anquan Boldin has already proven himself as a must have commodity for a top notch offense. He has proven he can be elite. We wouldn't have to wait on anything. He would instantly make our team better. We wouldn't have to take a chance of something horribly going wrong in the next couple seasons. (career ending injury, hold outs, division in the locker room, crazy things) Our team is 1 playmaker on offense away from the superbowl. Just 1 game changer and we can be a dynasty. We're primed now, why try to build a successful team for the future when we already have one now? Screw a 1st round prospect, I'd rather have a pro bowl WR.

[Whole-Gash]

Yeah but we have a huge need at the cornerback positions that we will most likely have to answer in the first round, if there are any good corners left. Boldin is also a huge injury risk, and while I think that he's a great receiver I think we would be better drafting one in the second, third, or fourth round (i.e. Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, and Ramses Barden) or maybe we get lucky and Maclin somehow falls to us. We have too many needs to just get rid of a bunch of draft picks, Ozzie's too smart for that. We have a huge need at corner and we also need depth at DT and O-Line, so getting rid of draft picks would make this more difficult to do, especially since we only have a 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round, and 7th round picks. We're already missing some picks and you want us to give up more for Boldin? He'll probably get hurt again what if it's a season ending injury? Don't get me wrong I'd love to have Boldin here, but I think we have other more pressing needs and a few to be honest. Last but not least, we would not be able to get more than a fourth rounder for McAlister, and I doubt we'll even get that for him. He's played very little the past two years and just had knee surgery, also we take a larger cap hit for trading him, so I'm pretty sure we will either cut him or re-negotiate his contract. After a knee injury teams are going to be very reluctant to give up draft picks because there is no way of knowing how he will return.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146263' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:55 PM']Yeah but how do we know that the WR we draft isn't going to be the next Travis Taylor?

Yes there are gems in the draft. But even if the WR we drafted were to have this amazing career as a Baltimore Raven...would he be as good as Aqnuan Boldin? Anquan boldin is pretty damn good. Do you really think we'll find a 1st round wr that will go on to have a better career than Boldin? Seriously...??

It normally takes 3 years for WRs to fully mature into play makers. (Mark Clayton is a prime example) In 3 years from now how do we know our team will still be Super Bowl contenders? We could be like the lions...a horrible team with a great 1st round WR. Or how about we draft a proven pro bowler(boldin)...who would instantly upgrade our entire offense and allow us to stay elite for at least the next 5 years?[/quote]

Is Anquan Boldin really AS GOOD as you are trying to make him out to be? Sure he can play, but he is no Jerry Rice. We certainly can find a 1st round WR that may fall to us that has the same amount of chance to be good.
Ex.
Maclin - May not fall this far, but he's really quick
Percy Harvin - QUICK, elusive, EXPLOSIVE
Hakeem Nicks, big, strong, speed.

Now for you saying that we draft a proven pro bowler who would instantly upgrade our entire offense and allow us to stay elite....aka Anquan Boldin..

This may not be entirely true. You don't know how well Boldin will be in our system.

[futurerRaven]

heres my wish list

round #1 - james laurinaitis - mlb - ohio state

round #2 - victor harris - cb - virginia tech

round #3 - kenny britt - wr - rutgers

round #4 - brian hartline - wr -ohio state

round#5 - kyle moore - de - usc

round#6 - Eric wood - c- louiville

round#7 - john phillips - te- virginia

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146435' date='Jan 28 2009, 08:06 PM']That's besides the point....I'm not saying the Ravens will be anything like the Lions. It obviously went over your head. Even with Calvin Johnson, who is an absolute monster on the field, the Lions still suck. Agreed? What good is Calvin Johnson's talent if the Lions can't win? To suggest we keep our 1st round pick in hopes of drafting a player like Calvin Johnson, doesn't mean we will become a better team right away. It normally takes several years for WRs to mature into game impacting players. Calvin Johnson has been in the league for how many years now? Is he completely there yet? Is he at his best? Is he elite? No. And that's bcuz it takes awhile to adapt to the WR position in the nfl because it involves the most skill and it's at such a high level in terms of performance...

If in 3 years (when our 1st rd wr finally develops into a stud) Ed Reed Retires from a neck injury, Ray Lewis retires from age, Bart Scot is no longer here bcuz of FA, we trade Suggs to alleviate cap space and our defense falls apart, how much use would that 1st round WR do us then? Again look at how badly the Lions suck without a defense, even with Megatron lining up on the outsides the STILL SUCK! Not saying it's going to happen, but anything is possible. So why take a chance on the future when the present is right now? But...the point I'm trying to make is while we STILL have our All-stars like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Terrel Suggs, and bcuz they are all here right now, and we have a superowl caliber team right now...why wait on a WR to develop into a #1 WR several years from now to make our offense better, when we can go out and bring in Anquan Boldin who will have an IMMEDIATE impact on our offense and serve as an instant UPGRADE? (as of the very 1st game of the 2009 season)

Yes 1st round draft prospects are valuable bcuz that's how you build a successful franchise. But Anquan Boldin has already proven himself as a must have commodity for a top notch offense. He has proven he can be elite. We wouldn't have to wait on anything. He would instantly make our team better. We wouldn't have to take a chance of something horribly going wrong in the next couple seasons. (career ending injury, hold outs, division in the locker room, crazy things) Our team is 1 playmaker on offense away from the superbowl. Just 1 game changer and we can be a dynasty. We're primed now, why try to build a successful team for the future when we already have one now? Screw a 1st round prospect, I'd rather have a pro bowl WR.[/quote]


IQ I see where you are coming from. Sounds good to me. Boldin is a beast no matter how you look at it. I would go for a draft pick trade for a WR like him but what kinda contract is he going to want? 35-40 Mil for 4-5 years?

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='futurerRaven' post='146522' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:31 PM']heres my wish list

round #1 - james laurinaitis - mlb - ohio state

round #2 - victor harris - cb - virginia tech

round #3 - kenny britt - wr - rutgers

round #4 - brian hartline - wr -ohio state

round#5 - kyle moore - de - usc

round#6 - Eric wood - c- louiville

round#7 - john phillips - te- virginia[/quote]

[b]YES!! [/b]Thats almost perfect

Rd1 - Especially if we loose Bart Ray or Suggs.

Rd2 - Macho Needs work but is perfect for a second round Value

Rd3 - I'll take the boy Barden here out of Cal-poly

Rd4 - Best avail OL You can never go wrong with O-line depth (waiting for combine)

I dont believe we have a 5th or 6th and I'll have to wait for the combine for a 7th rd pic

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='b-morebrotha' post='146585' date='Jan 29 2009, 09:43 AM'][b]YES!! [/b]Thats almost perfect

Rd1 - Especially if we loose Bart Ray or Suggs.

Rd2 - Macho Needs work but is perfect for a second round Value

Rd3 - I'll take the boy Barden here out of Cal-poly

Rd4 - Best avail OL You can never go wrong with O-line depth (waiting for combine)

I dont believe we have a 5th or 6th and I'll have to wait for the combine for a 7th rd pic[/quote]

It would be a miracle if Kenny Britt fell of the second half of the second round....
Macho Harris is more of a cover 2 corner not like our system
Laurinitis is overrated

[b-morebrotha]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='146937' date='Jan 29 2009, 08:47 PM']It would be a miracle if Kenny Britt fell of the second half of the second round....
Macho Harris is more of a cover 2 corner not like our system
Laurinitis is overrated[/quote]

Let's see what happens at the combine

Macho has a ravens attitude
Laurinitis is no Ray but he may be a Bart Scott
Britt I don't know to much about but I have seen Barden and he's pretty decent at that hieght