We're Interested In Boldin...

[pick-ups]

It was more of a demoralizing loss considering they could`nt protect their QB at all and the Eagles ended up injuring Big Ben along with Willie Parker.

The Eagles did to Pittsburgh what they like to do to other teams....be more physical.

Westbrook also went out in the 1st drive rolling his ankle on Runyan.

The Eagles offense was good enough while their defense was dominant.

[POE]

[quote name='flynismo' post='146001' date='Jan 28 2009, 01:49 PM']Ok, let me get this straight...

- Boldin is only productive because Fitz is there (Nevermind the insane rookie year he had and off to another hot start before getting hurt in year two)

And

- Roy Williams earned the high trade value, while Boldin hasn't?

Umm, riiigght...

Truth is, Boldin was a stud before anyone knew who Fitz was. Boldin is also a big reason that Fitz has the success he does. Boldin is the best wr on that team, and very possibly the league.

And I tell ya what, Arizona could EASILY point to that Roy Williams deal and say that if Roy is worth a 1, 3 and 5, then Boldin should command two 1st round picks. You're dreaming if you think we can get Boldin for a 2 and 4.[/quote]

Like I have said before it is a what have you done for me lately type of league and Boldin is overshadowed by argueably the best WR in the game right now. Fitz gets doubled, tripled while Boldin gets the single coverage. If you have noticed with Warner behind the helm, all of their WR's make big plays and it is because of the coverage Larry Fitzgerald pulls hands down.

I am not knocking his skill or my want for the guy but only speaking from a management point of view, nobody is going to give 1st round trade value for this guy.

I didn't say that we could get him for 2nd and 4th but his value in the market right now shouldn't and won't be much higher then that. You seemed to have left out the player that I threw in there as well.

Next time try to read what I said and not turn it around as if I am coming from left field with what I have said.

[MagicianCamille]

I'm actually more interested in re-signing all of our FA's rather than going out and getting a big-name WR.

We had how many starters on IR, and how many more playing at less than 50% (Mason, Suggs) and still contended in the AFC Championship game against a completely healthy team?

Maybe the missing piece to our puzzle is a better training staff to keep these guys healthy, or help them recover faster. Or maybe I've been playing too much Madden Franchise Mode.

[flynismo]

[quote name='POE' post='146294' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:10 PM']Like I have said before it is a what have you done for me lately type of league and Boldin is overshadowed by argueably the best WR in the game right now. Fitz gets doubled, tripled while Boldin gets the single coverage. If you have noticed with Warner behind the helm, all of their WR's make big plays and it is because of the coverage Larry Fitzgerald pulls hands down.

I am not knocking his skill or my want for the guy but only speaking from a management point of view, nobody is going to give 1st round trade value for this guy.

I didn't say that we could get him for 2nd and 4th but his value in the market right now shouldn't and won't be much higher then that. You seemed to have left out the player that I threw in there as well.

Next time try to read what I said and not turn it around as if I am coming from left field with what I have said.[/quote]


Sorry bro, but if you think Boldin is only worth a 2nd and 4th, then you are coming outta LF.
I find the "what have you done lately" observation curious; tell me something,...

What did Roy Williams do or accomplish to command a 1, 3 and 5?

Now compare what he did to a guy who just put up 1,038 yards and 11 TD's [size=3][b]in 12 games[/b][/size]

[Ravnet]

I hope Boldin does terribly during the Super Bowl so that his value goes down. By that same token, I'm looking forward to a HUGE day from Fitzgerald to further prove that Anquan is expendable.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='146262' date='Jan 28 2009, 04:53 PM']I`ve never dogged McNabb and he has done a lot for the Eagles considering the shotty talent he has had around him throughout most of his career.

Lurie has already said he wants McNabb back plus he`s still under contract and wants to have it restuctured.

The reason he was benched was very poor play calling(Reids fault).WAAAAAY to much passing.

Kolb is still a project in my mind and if I remember correctly the score was 10-7 at half(with the Eagles playing poorly)then McNabb was benched and that was all she wrote.(congrats on your franchises 1st ever win against a lost Eagles team.

You should worry more about how your teams going to beat the Steelers(3-0)vs the Ravens because I remember Philly completely embarrassing the Steelers 15-6(9 sacks)earlier this season.Only game this year the Steelers did`nt score a TD.

About Boldin who knows I`m just saying w/ 2 years left on his contract and the Cards who will want a ton for him does`nt bode well for his departure.. [/quote]


You lost to the Cardinals...in the NFC Championship game.
THE. CARDINALS.
And you want to talk about teams the Ravens have lost to?

HAHA we need to beat Pittsburgh in order to be better than the Eagles yet...we beat the Eagles? I'm telling you the nuclear plants are seriously destroying brains in Pennsylvania. Something needs to be done. We lost 3 times bcuz we had a rookie QB against the leagues #1 Ranked defense. We lost by 3 points the 1st game, 4 points the 2nd game, and Flacco threw a pick 6 in the 3rd game when it was 14-16 with 5 minutes to go in the 4th...


The Eagles lost to the CARDINALS!! hahaha The Cardinals

[POE]

[quote name='flynismo' post='146304' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:16 PM']Sorry bro, but if you think Boldin is only worth a 2nd and 4th, then you are coming outta LF.
I find the "what have you done lately" observation curious; tell me something,...

What did Roy Williams do or accomplish to command a 1, 3 and 5?

Now compare what he did to a guy who just put up 1,038 yards and 11 TD's [size=3][b]in 12 games[/b][/size][/quote]

The Roy Williams trade was obviously way over done. He was never worth that much, but on his behalf he always showed lots of talent with a lack of QB talent in Detroit. The Cowboys over did it because they are the Cowboys and they can pull stuff off like that. There were no other teams that were willing to give anything close to what they gave up for him and neither will they for Boldin.

I just find it hard to believe that you find this so hard to understand. I think the guy is great and has all the upside to do big things in any organization outside of Arizona but he won't get that kind of trade value being overshadowed by Fitz. No front office will give that much for the teams second best.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='POE' post='146280' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:02 PM']In the NFL it is what you do now, and right now he is the 2nd WR on the depth chart and is extremely overshadowed by Fitz.

All I am saying is that from a management side you are not going to throw out a #1 draft pick for anybodys #2 WR period. I am not questioning his upside and skills but RIGHT NOW he is overshadowed by possibly the best WR in the game and doesn't deserve 1st round trade value.[/quote]


So Reggie Wayne is a bum bcuz he's the #2 WR on the colts? Terrel Suggs is the number 2 LB on the Baltimore Ravens...I guess he's not worth a 1st round draft pick either?

[pick-ups]

Oh believe me that Cards game was a tough one to deal with but,why are you bringing up what the Ravens did against the Eagles and insinuating I`m a McNabb hater?

He`ll be back(under contract and has no choice)and my point being that the Eagles beat their nemisis(Giants)twice and rather handedly in the Meadowlands and thats the same team(Giants)that manhandled the Ravens if I remember correctly.

While the Ravens went 0-3 against theirs(Steelers)and thats the same Steelers that Philly beat down.

This can go on forever....anyways the worst games for me to watch were the Bengals debacle and the Cards in the title game.

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146321' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:28 PM']So Reggie Wayne is a bum bcuz he's the #2 WR on the colts? Terrel Suggs is the number 2 LB on the Baltimore Ravens...I guess he's not worth a 1st round draft pick either?[/quote]

Now this statement is out of Left Field. Reggie Wayne isn't #2 on the Colts. When was Marvin Harrison #1 out there last?

Suggs isn't worth a #1 draft pick..he is great but not elite.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='146324' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:31 PM']Oh believe me that Cards game was a tough one to deal with but,why are you bringing up what the Ravens did against the Eagles and insinuating I`m a McNabb hater?

He`ll be back(under contract and has no choice)and my point being that the Eagles beat their nemisis(Giants)twice and rather handedly in the Meadowlands and thats the same team(Giants)that manhandled the Ravens if I remember correctly.

While the Ravens went 0-3 against theirs(Steelers)and thats the same Steelers that Philly beat down.

This can go on forever....anyways the worst games for me to watch were the Bengals debacle and the Cards in the title game.[/quote]


But the Ravens Beat the Eagles....


I'm going to ask you a serious question: What does 1 + 1 =?

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146330' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:36 PM']But the Ravens Beat the Eagles....


I'm going to ask you a serious question: What does 1 + 1 =?[/quote]

God I hate math, but let me take a stab at this one...

( (1 + 1) = (R > E) )

*where R equals Ravens and E equals Eagles

[Ravnet]

[quote name='POE' post='146327' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:35 PM']Now this statement is out of Left Field. Reggie Wayne isn't #2 on the Colts. When was Marvin Harrison #1 out there last?[/quote]

He will choose not to answer that.

[quote]Suggs isn't worth a #1 draft pick..he is great but not elite.[/quote]

I disagree with that statement; Suggs is a premiere player in this league.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='POE' post='146327' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:35 PM']Now this statement is out of Left Field. Reggie Wayne isn't #2 on the Colts. When was Marvin Harrison #1 out there last?

Suggs isn't worth a #1 draft pick..he is great but not elite.[/quote]

Oh my...It's a shame. It really is.

Where are you guys coming from with all of these ridiculous posts?

Is there a crack cocoaine binge party going on somewhere and you're all sharing the same computer?

I mean...WHhhaaa? Terrel Suggs is not worth a 1st round draft pick? I want you to punch yourself in the face and apologize for what you just said. Seriously, grab the closest object with in arms reach and slam it into your face. Better yet slam your head onto your keyboard as hard as you can and kill 2 birds with one stone (slamming your head into the table to hopefully knock some sense into yourself + breaking your keyboard so you can no longer type stupid comments)

[pick-ups]

1-1-1 is the Ravens vs Eagles all time

Ravens + Eagles=conference championship game losers(thats all that matters).

Good luck next season cause this one is over for everyone except the Cards and Steelers...

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='pick-ups' post='146336' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:43 PM']1-1-1 is the Ravens vs Eagles all time

Ravens + Eagles=conference championship game losers(thats all that matters).

Good luck next season cause this one is over for everyone except the Cards and Steelers... [/quote]


But the Ravens beat the Eagles...

[ravens27]

I would like Boldin.

[pick-ups]

Congrats

Where did that get the Ravens when they played the Steelers?

The Bengals tied the Eagles,ok...so

You cant win them all...but lose them all against the Steelers apparently can be done.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146335' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:43 PM']Oh my...It's a shame. It really is.

Where are you guys coming from with all of these ridiculous posts?

Is there a crack cocoaine binge party going on somewhere and you're all sharing the same computer?[/quote]

If that was in response to the Wayne/Harrison comment, then you're just further embarrassing yourself. It seems like you try to give off the impression that you're some kind of football connoisseur, yet rely on terribly outdated information. Marvin Harrison isn't even close to being a #1 anymore, and he could be out of the league before next season begins.

[quote]I mean...WHhhaaa? Terrel Suggs is not worth a 1st round draft pick? I want you to punch yourself in the face and apologize for what you just said. Seriously, grab the closest object with in arms reach and slam it into your face. Better yet slam your head on your keyboard as hard as you can and kill 2 birds with one stone (slamming your head into the table to knock some sense into yourself + breaking your keyboard so you can no longer type stupid comments)[/quote]

I'll agree that he is worth a first rounder, but only to teams in dire need of a linebacker. Furthermore, most clubs would hesitate before surrendering their top 16 pick as they're probably going to get more value using their selection and targeting a specific need, than bringing in a 27 year old linebacker who would need to be resigned immediately to a huge deal.

That being said, if a franchise is exclusively looking for a linebacker, then Suggs is a worth a first, if not, then he isn't.

[POE]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='146334' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:42 PM']He will choose not to answer that.



I disagree with that statement; Suggs is a premiere player in this league.[/quote]

I know he is listed as a LB and paid as a hybrid LB/DE, we all know he is a DE on this defense and has improved in coverage over the years but as a DE he isn't putting up numbers anything like the likes of DE's like Abraham, Allen or Peppers and LB's like Ware, Harrison or Porter(even though I hate this guy). There were even DT's that put up similiar #'s as Suggs in Haynesworth and Kevin Williams from Minnesota. Suggs is a great player and is unique in being able to drop into coverage and get after the QB but he isn't elite, atleast not yet, and not worth #1 value.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='POE' post='146346' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:54 PM']I know he is listed as a LB and paid as a hybrid LB/DE, we all know he is a DE on this defense and has improved in coverage over the years but as a DE he isn't putting up numbers anything like the likes of DE's like Abraham, Allen or Peppers and LB's like Ware, Harrison or Porter(even though I hate this guy). There were even DT's that put up similiar #'s as Suggs in Haynesworth and Kevin Williams from Minnesota. Suggs is a great player and is unique in being able to drop into coverage and get after the QB but he isn't elite, atleast not yet, and not worth #1 value.[/quote]

See my post above.

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146335' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:43 PM']Oh my...It's a shame. It really is.

Where are you guys coming from with all of these ridiculous posts?

Is there a crack cocoaine binge party going on somewhere and you're all sharing the same computer?

I mean...WHhhaaa? Terrel Suggs is not worth a 1st round draft pick? I want you to punch yourself in the face and apologize for what you just said. Seriously, grab the closest object with in arms reach and slam it into your face. Better yet slam your head onto your keyboard as hard as you can and kill 2 birds with one stone (slamming your head into the table to hopefully knock some sense into yourself + breaking your keyboard so you can no longer type stupid comments)[/quote]

You my friend know how to really piss somebody off. There is nothing on this message board that I have posted to get a response like this ignorant BS that you have came up with. I have just given my opinion on topics that I have interest in and you come off like some FOOTBALL GOD. Seriously bro, you need to simmer down and stick with what the topic is about. Back up what you say with facts and stop throwing out meaningless nonsense in argument to a opinion of a fellow Ravens fan that loves the team as much as yourself. I love the guys that play for this team but I won't over exagerate their worth and I will give you everything I got on why I feel that way. I suggest you do the same.

[Slick]

well, despite that last bit of nonsense about the crack cocaine (seriously?) I agree with the fact that Suggs is worth a 1st round pick. In his first four years he averaged 40 sacks, and while he didn't hit 10 this year (8) or last (5), his impact on the field in rattling quarterbacks is undeniable in my mind. besides this year he had back to back games with a pick 6 due largely in part to his ability to read the play (such as jumping the route on screen).

he really is first rate talent (despite being "#2" on the depth chart or w/e) and really i think the term "first-rate" could apply to damn near our entire starting defense (1st OR 2nd string).
Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Terrel Suggs, Bart Scott, Jarret Johnson, Ray Lewis, Chris McCalister, Samari Rolle Dawan Landry and Ed Reed

out of that list, the only ones I'd say were maybe a notch below the rest would be JJ and Samari, who are both very solid in their own respects.

The Ravens D has been nasty for almost a decade, you don't do that without having real talent.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='POE' post='146348' date='Jan 28 2009, 06:01 PM']You my friend know how to really piss somebody off. There is nothing on this message board that I have posted to get a response like this ignorant BS that you have came up with. I have just given my opinion on topics that I have interest in and you come off like some FOOTBALL GOD. Seriously bro, you need to simmer down and stick with what the topic is about. Back up what you say with facts and stop throwing out meaningless nonsense in argument to a opinion of a fellow Ravens fan that loves the team as much as yourself. I love the guys that play for this team but I won't over exagerate their worth and I will give you everything I got on why I feel that way. I suggest you do the same.[/quote]


Dude I'm just busting your balls give me a break. I know you're not that stupid.. well, at least I hope not... LOL and you are correct, I am a football god. Jesus is in my fantasy football league. My heavenly name is Twister of Titis but you can just refer to me as IQ.

To suggest a player is not worthy of a 1st round pick because of another players status is ridiculous. Fitzgerald is the #2 WR on that team. You just don't realize how great Boldin actually is. Fitzy makes highlight reel catches and probably has the better hands of the 2 but Anquan Boldin is the better NFL WR. So in your next response plz answer this question.

If T.O. and Randy Moss were on the same team would the #2 WR be worthy of a 1st round draft pick if he was traded?

Terrell Suggs is seriously worth 2 1st round draft picks. Again, I don't think you truly appreciate how great T-Sizzle really is. The guy is a phenom. Who's the best DE in the game? Would you give up 2 1st rd. draft picks to get him? Answer those 2 questions as well. Put it to you this way, if Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Bart Scott weren't on this team Terrell Suggs would be a bigger star then he already is. A lot of our success on defense comes from Sizzle he just gets overshadowed by our other superstars on defense. So his value is depreciated.

Harrison is the #1 WR on the colts. Who's going to the Hall of Fame? Harrison or Wayne? It's like saying Terrell Owens was the #1 WR for the 49ers while Jerry Rice was still on the team. The only reason he had a down year (which it really wasn't) was bcuz he was coming off of knee surgery. I guarantee if he returns next year he will outshine Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a a very talented Slot WR. He is not a premier #1 Wide Out. In spread formations he's the #3 wr. Anthony Gonzales plays Wide Wayne plays Slot. So...but my point was, bcuz he's behind Harrison as the #number 2 his value decreases? Obviously you don't believe that bcuz of the way you defended him. So you see my point now? Or do I ahve to mention it one more time? Just bcuz Boldin or Fitzy is labeled the "2nd" wr by default on the depth chart for the Arizona Cardinals doesn't mean he can't be a #1 WR for another team in the NFL.

[Jesse Conroy]

I wouldnt mind him for a few years, but T.J. wouldnt be bad either.

[POE]

[quote name='Slick' post='146354' date='Jan 28 2009, 06:17 PM']well, despite that last bit of nonsense about the crack cocaine (seriously?) I agree with the fact that Suggs is worth a 1st round pick. In his first four years he averaged 40 sacks, and while he didn't hit 10 this year (8) or last (5), his impact on the field in rattling quarterbacks is undeniable in my mind. besides this year he had back to back games with a pick 6 due largely in part to his ability to read the play (such as jumping the route on screen).

he really is first rate talent (despite being "#2" on the depth chart or w/e) and really i think the term "first-rate" could apply to damn near our entire starting defense (1st OR 2nd string).
Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Terrel Suggs, Bart Scott, Jarret Johnson, Ray Lewis, Chris McCalister, Samari Rolle Dawan Landry and Ed Reed

out of that list, the only ones I'd say were maybe a notch below the rest would be JJ and Samari, who are both very solid in their own respects.

The Ravens D has been nasty for almost a decade, you don't do that without having real talent.[/quote]

I am not trying to take away anything from Boldin, Suggs or anyone else that has been listed in this topic but the bottom line is that 1st round value is earned from players who are elite in every way, shape and form and neither of these guys are that. They all are special and great talent and Suggs is unique in what he does but still doesn't derserve 1st round picks via trade.

You don't see trades for players that include first rounders very often and when you do typically that player is worth anything that you have(Roy Williams was the exception cause he wasnt worth all that he went for). I really don't recall too many trades for players that included a #1 pick off the top of my head, so some help with that would be appreciated.

Back to the topic though, I would love to have a WR of Boldins' caliber but I just don't think that any organization will give up what some are predicting he is worth especially not the Ravens. However, if the price comes down to 2nd round picks and some change be sure there will be all types of buyers including our Bmore Ravens.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='POE' post='146388' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:32 PM']I am not trying to take away anything from Boldin, Suggs or anyone else that has been listed in this topic but the bottom line is that 1st round value is earned from players who are elite in every way, shape and form and neither of these guys are that. They all are special and great talent and Suggs is unique in what he does but still doesn't derserve 1st round picks via trade.

You don't see trades for players that include first rounders very often and when you do typically that player is worth anything that you have(Roy Williams was the exception cause he wasnt worth all that he went for). I really don't recall too many trades for players that included a #1 pick off the top of my head, so some help with that would be appreciated.

Back to the topic though, I would love to have a WR of Boldins' caliber but I just don't think that any organization will give up what some are predicting he is worth especially not the Ravens. However, if the price comes down to 2nd round picks and some change be sure there will be all types of buyers including our Bmore Ravens.[/quote]


Ok, if that's what you believe then tell me who you would select with the 26th overall selection that is by far, in every way better than Anquan Boldin? There is no denying the value of a 1st round draft pick but I think you are under estimating Anquan Boldin's true value. So who is this guy that you would use our 1st round draft pick on?

Set your top 5 players of the 2009 draft aside. Lets put them in a bucket. Now we're also going to put into this Bucket, Payton Manning, Randy Moss, Anquan Bolden, Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs. From this bucket I want you to rank these players. 1 being the best 10 being the worst. Seriously Poe. Just play along. Post your rankings so everyone can see them.

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146375' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:25 PM']Dude I'm just busting your balls give me a break. I know you're not that stupid.. well, at least I hope not... LOL and you are correct, I am a football god. Jesus is in my fantasy football league. My heavenly name is Twister of Titis but you can just refer to me as IQ.

To suggest a player is not worthy of a 1st round pick because of another players status is ridiculous. Fitzgerald is the #2 WR on that team. You just don't realize how great Boldin actually is. Fitzy makes highlight reel catches and probably has the better hands of the 2 but Anquan Boldin is the better NFL WR. So in your next response plz answer this question.

If T.O. and Randy Moss were on the same team would the #2 WR be worthy of a 1st round draft pick if he was traded?

Terrell Suggs is seriously worth 2 1st round draft picks. Again, I don't think you truly appreciate how great T-Sizzle really is. The guy is a phenom. Who's the best DE in the game? Would you give up 2 1st rd. draft picks to get him? Answer those 2 questions as well. Put it to you this way, if Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Bart Scott weren't on this team Terrell Suggs would be a bigger star then he already is. A lot of our success on defense comes from Sizzle he just gets overshadowed by our other superstars on defense. So his value is depreciated.

Harrison is the #1 WR on the colts. Who's going to the Hall of Fame? Harrison or Wayne? It's like saying Terrell Owens was the #1 WR for the 49ers while Jerry Rice was still on the team. The only reason he had a down year (which it really wasn't) was bcuz he was coming off of knee surgery. I guarantee if he returns next year he will outshine Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a a very talented Slot WR. He is not a premier #1 Wide Out. In spread formations he's the #3 wr. Anthony Gonzales plays Wide Wayne plays Slot. So...but my point was, bcuz he's behind Harrison as the #number 2 his value decreases? Obviously you don't believe that bcuz of the way you defended him. So you see my point now? Or do I ahve to mention it one more time? Just bcuz Boldin or Fitzy is labeled the "2nd" wr by default on the depth chart for the Arizona Cardinals doesn't mean he can't be a #1 WR for another team in the NFL.[/quote]

Busting my balls and flying off the handle is 2 different things and you were flying off the handle like you typically do around here. Believe me I can take a little trash talk but you took it to another level and don't respect that, especially coming from another fan of the team that I love on a internet forum. You need some work in that area..but i will forgive you.

Look at it from a management side and tell me that you would give Boldin 1st round trade status when the guy along side of him is the superstar of the WR core and possibly the best in the league. He is the 2nd WR on the team not because that is how the depth chart was made but because he isn't as good as the other guy. He may be a great #1 WR on another team but he isn't right now and front offices are going to laugh at the Cardinals if they try and get too much from a 2nd best.

T.O. and Randy Moss are not on the same team so why would I answer that and just to get it all out, are you saying that Boldin is on these guys level?

I never said that Sizzle isn't a great player and believe me I love him as much as anybody but he is not an elite player. He is unique in what he brings to the table but neither one of our LB's are worth 1st round value at this stage of the game. I wouldn't give 2 first rounders for anybody unless it was guarenteed that they stay healthy and played until they were 45. That is just ridiculous when there is so much talent to be had along with youth with 1st rounders. I don't think that Suggs would be as great if he didn't have Ray and Scott next to him and he has said that himself in his most recent interviews so saying that he would be more of a star without these guys is crazy.

As far as the Harrison-Wayne talk goes, you dug your own hole with that rubbish so you get yourself out of it.

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='146397' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:40 PM']Ok, if that's what you believe then tell me who you would select with the 26th overall selection that is by far, in every way better than Anquan Boldin? There is no denying the value of a 1st round draft pick but I think you are under estimating Anquan Boldin's true value. So who is this guy that you would use our 1st round draft pick on?

Set your top 5 players of the 2009 draft aside. Lets put them in a bucket. Now we're also going to put into this Bucket, Payton Manning, Randy Moss, Anquan Bolden, Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs. From this bucket I want you to rank these players. 1 being the best 10 being the worst. Seriously Poe. Just play along. Post your rankings so everyone can see them.[/quote]

Why would I do any of that? I have stated my case, if you don't agree then thats all good, I don't need your approval. None of these guys have been in question except for Boldin and your really starting to shift way off topic.I have a better idea, you do what you have asked me and start a new topic with it since it seems your so persistent about what I have brought to the table.

[Ravnet]

I don't even know where to begin when addressing some of the comments