Vick To 49ers?

[theFRANCHISE]

According to the NFL Network's Adam Schefter, the San Francisco 49ers could be angling their way into the Michael Vick "sweepstakes" when he is released from prison, if he were reinstated by Commissioner Roger Goodell. ([url="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/are-49ers-angling-for-vick/"]Link[/url])

Granted, the 49ers have other needs, and though Vick would not be the proper long-term solution at QB, I think that there's a strong possibility this could happen, given Schefter's reasoning. Even though it seemed coincidental at first that the 49ers were interviewing candidates for the offensive coordinator position that had previously worked with Vick, the signing of Vick's former college teammate CB Jimmy Williams was a bit too convenient to be coincidental.

Especially since Williams was a former draft bust that was unceremoniously cut by the Falcons after a brief, unsuccessful experiment at the Safety position. Williams has been out of football for a full season, and he gets signed to a team that already has four cornerbacks they feel reasonably comfortable with? Hmm...

The thing is, even though we know little about Mike Singletary as a head coach, I think that if he endorses the signing of Michael Vick, then there may be something left in Vick that other people don't see. Singletary wouldn't allow Vick on his team if he was believed to be a malcontent, and he wouldn't waste his time on Vick if he wouldn't be willing to put in work to help the team win.

This'll be a very interesting offseason for the 49ers...

[Purple Punishment]

i dont feel there is enough evidence to support that theory

[Shawn`]

[i][u][b]If[/b][/u][/i] Goodell reinstated.

[JEFF4i]

If Vick plays again, well...the Steelers are lucky I love them so much, because if not, I'd never watch another NFL game. They let him play, and shows how spineless they truly are.

[shaikh015]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='144767' date='Jan 24 2009, 01:42 PM']According to the NFL Network's Adam Schefter, the San Francisco 49ers could be angling their way into the Michael Vick "sweepstakes" when he is released from prison, if he were reinstated by Commissioner Roger Goodell. ([url="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/are-49ers-angling-for-vick/"]Link[/url])

Granted, the 49ers have other needs, and though Vick would not be the proper long-term solution at QB, I think that there's a strong possibility this could happen, given Schefter's reasoning. Even though it seemed coincidental at first that the 49ers were interviewing candidates for the offensive coordinator position that had previously worked with Vick, the signing of Vick's former college teammate CB Jimmy Williams was a bit too convenient to be coincidental.

Especially since Williams was a former draft bust that was unceremoniously cut by the Falcons after a brief, unsuccessful experiment at the Safety position. Williams has been out of football for a full season, and he gets signed to a team that already has four cornerbacks they feel reasonably comfortable with? Hmm...

The thing is, even though we know little about Mike Singletary as a head coach, I think that if he endorses the signing of Michael Vick, then there may be something left in Vick that other people don't see. Singletary wouldn't allow Vick on his team if he was believed to be a malcontent, and he wouldn't waste his time on Vick if he wouldn't be willing to put in work to help the team win.

This'll be a very interesting offseason for the 49ers...



I think this is a good possibility but they need legitimate Qb Coach and o coordinator...

Unless they want Vick to do all that too...[/quote]

[shaikh015]

[quote name='JEFF4i' post='145509' date='Jan 26 2009, 10:00 PM']If Vick plays again, well...the Steelers are lucky I love them so much, because if not, I'd never watch another NFL game. They let him play, and shows how spineless they truly are.[/quote]
ok............................................

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Shawn`' date='Jan 25 2009, 04:09 PM' post='145118']
[i][u][b]If[/b][/u][/i] Goodell reinstated.
[/quote
He probably paid the refs off to let the steelers run all over everyone this year..

[shaikh015]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='145512' date='Jan 26 2009, 10:16 PM'][quote name='Shawn`' post='145118' date='Jan 25 2009, 04:09 PM']
[i][u][b]If[/b][/u][/i] Goodell reinstated. [/quote]
He probably paid the refs off to let the steelers run all over everyone this year..
[/quote]
I would not be surprised if we go 5-11 next year because of this.

[usmccharles]

There has to be limits of what some ppl can do and then return.....Sadly someone will go after him and the funny part is hes not even that great of a qb, if i was the team i wouldnt would the press coverage and the distraction, he's ok to watch but not worth the trouble

[neepo13]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='145118' date='Jan 25 2009, 04:09 PM'][i][u][b]If[/b][/u][/i] Goodell reinstated. [/quote]

He will get reinstated. Goodell has reinstated Pacman, what twice now? If Vick doesnt get back in when Pacman and Chris Henry did, I think the NFLPA will have a real gripe with the NFL.

[Purple Punishment]

does Vick still have rights under the NFL Players Union? he may not have any rights to guaranteed employment

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='neepo13' post='147947' date='Jan 31 2009, 10:47 AM']He will get reinstated. Goodell has reinstated Pacman, what twice now? If Vick doesnt get back in when Pacman and Chris Henry did, I think the NFLPA will have a real gripe with the NFL.[/quote]
Pacman's multiple chances is what will give Vick the trump card should Goodell deny him reinstatement, because (for better or worse) the letter of the law dictates that a human life is more valued than an animal's life.

Therefore, if Pacman's irresponsibility can rob a man of his livelihood through paralysis, then Vick can be reinstated even though he killed dogs.

What Vick did was reprehensible, no doubt. But, he paid his debt to society, and he's already been blacklisted by the league, so he'll get his second chance when Pacman never should've even gotten a third.

[quote name='Purple Punishment' post='148006' date='Jan 31 2009, 04:12 PM']does Vick still have rights under the NFL Players Union? he may not have any rights to guaranteed employment[/quote]
Vick still has rights, as he is still under contract to the Atlanta Falcons (even though they are not obligated to fulfill the financial terms of it during his suspension.) He cannot argue any rights to guaranteed employment, however, as his services are technically that of an independent contractor, even though he is a part of the union.

[raven43]

[quote name='JEFF4i' post='145509' date='Jan 26 2009, 10:00 PM']If Vick plays again, well...the Steelers are lucky I love them so much, because if not, I'd never watch another NFL game. They let him play, and shows how spineless they truly are.[/quote]
what? dude, shut up.

[RavensIQ]

Who was the guy that was in the same scenario as vick (NFL PLAYER)? His dog fighting ring had 140+ dogs and and the thing is he only got a fine. He didn't even do jail time. Only reason vick went to jail was because PETA wanted to use Vick's fame to make him their poster boy plus there was something involving crossing state lines blah blah and it got technical. vick will be back.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='148357' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:42 PM']Who was the guy that was in the same scenario as vick (NFL PLAYER)? His dog fighting ring had 140+ dogs and and the thing is he only got a fine. He didn't even do jail time. Only reason vick went to jail was because PETA wanted to use Vick's fame to make him their poster boy plus there was something involving crossing state lines blah blah and it got technical. vick will be back.[/quote]
My issue is, even though the league would risk discrimination charges if they [i]specifically[/i] ban protestors from PETA, they need to do something about the protestors who are bound to try to harass Vick at every game.

Again, Vick's actions were horrible. But a lot of these protestors just don't know where the line is, and they've gotten pretty extreme at times in other instances of animal cruelty.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='148668' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:49 PM']My issue is, even though the league would risk discrimination charges if they [i]specifically[/i] ban protestors from PETA, they need to do something about the protestors who are bound to try to harass Vick at every game.

Again, Vick's actions were horrible. But a lot of these protestors just don't know where the line is, and they've gotten pretty extreme at times in other instances of animal cruelty.[/quote]

Yeah but unfortunately that's the territory that comes with fame. Either you're loved or you're hated. But I heard somewhere (sirius radio?) that Vick was going to join forces with PETA and do a public awareness thing about dog fighting. Can't remember the details but I do remember thinking how genius of an idea it was. Brilliant. Something like that will definitely help vick repair his tarnished imagine. Remember when everyone hated Kobe? Takes time but greatness has it's way of finding forgiveness.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='148726' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:26 AM']Remember when everyone hated Kobe? Takes time but greatness has it's way of finding forgiveness.[/quote]
The Kobe thing was different though, since the girl that accused him of rape was shady to begin with. He became more sympathetic in spite of his adulterous encounter because of the girl's shadiness.

So, in theory, if PETA pushes the envelope and takes things too far, best believe that people will have Vick's back in spite of his actions.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='148754' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:50 AM']The Kobe thing was different though, since the girl that accused him of rape was shady to begin with. He became more sympathetic in spite of his adulterous encounter because of the girl's shadiness.

So, in theory, if PETA pushes the envelope and takes things too far, best believe that people will have Vick's back in spite of his actions.[/quote]

It's PETA...they always take things too far. This is a group that distributes pamhplets that are titled "your daddy murders animals" with a picture of a sinister looking man gutting a fish (that looks like it is suffering) to gradechool children. They also throw red paint on people wearing fur, constantly harass hunters and fishers, and are basically an all around nuisance group. But I digress...

Regardless of my views on PETA, Vick's actions should expel him from anything NFL ever...period. He is a despicable excuse for a life form and should be beaten, shocked, hanged, stabbed, shot and forced to fight to the death with the other monsters like him. These animals are [b]defenseless[/b] against this sort of abuse. There is NO excuse and NO amount of apologies will ever make me forgive him. If he is reinstated by the NFL I will never watch a game again, and I will send all my gear back to the comissioner's office.

Comparing this situation to other player's problems is not valid. A violent crime against a human is terrible, but these victims have the option to testify against the thugs. They have legal precedent for lawsuits as well as being able to make accusations which can lead to arrest and trial. These dogs can't defend themselves, nor do they have any option other than live their horrible lives out and hope they don't get killed in the next fight. I hope he burns in hell like he deserves.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Tighthead420' post='150724' date='Feb 5 2009, 12:15 PM']Comparing this situation to other player's problems is not valid. A violent crime against a human is terrible, but these victims have the option to testify against the thugs. They have legal precedent for lawsuits as well as being able to make accusations which can lead to arrest and trial. These dogs can't defend themselves, nor do they have any option other than live their horrible lives out and hope they don't get killed in the next fight. I hope he burns in hell like he deserves.[/quote]
True. But also keep in mind, that this opens up a whole new can of worms; technically, the letter of the law values human life over that of animals, so therefore, no amount of disappointment or anger over the situation can change the fact that Vick will probably get a second chance.

But that doesn't mean that Vick's second chance will be as successful as his first go-around. So, I wouldn't think that Vick won't get his just desserts, just because he gets to play again. Look at O.J. and the murder case, and now he's finally gone to jail, but for an entirely different charge. Justice is served in mysterious ways, after all.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Tighthead420' post='150724' date='Feb 5 2009, 11:15 AM']It's PETA...they always take things too far. This is a group that distributes pamhplets that are titled "your daddy murders animals" with a picture of a sinister looking man gutting a fish (that looks like it is suffering) to gradechool children. They also throw red paint on people wearing fur, constantly harass hunters and fishers, and are basically an all around nuisance group. But I digress...

Regardless of my views on PETA, Vick's actions should expel him from anything NFL ever...period. He is a despicable excuse for a life form and should be beaten, shocked, hanged, stabbed, shot and forced to fight to the death with the other monsters like him. These animals are [b]defenseless[/b] against this sort of abuse. There is NO excuse and NO amount of apologies will ever make me forgive him. If he is reinstated by the NFL I will never watch a game again, and I will send all my gear back to the comissioner's office.

Comparing this situation to other player's problems is not valid. A violent crime against a human is terrible, but these victims have the option to testify against the thugs. They have legal precedent for lawsuits as well as being able to make accusations which can lead to arrest and trial. These dogs can't defend themselves, nor do they have any option other than live their horrible lives out and hope they don't get killed in the next fight. I hope he burns in hell like he deserves.[/quote]

Man, I love your passion! Brutally honest and you don't care what others may think, good job.

The idea of what Peta (people for the ethical treatment of animals) stands for is a great thing. However, like you said, they take it to a radical point of view. Prohibiting themselves from being taken seriously.

I agree with you on Vicks reinstatement. Unfortunately our society values entertainment more than morality, so it's likely to happen.

[Tighthead420]

Yeah I was a bit fired up! I am an avid dog lover, and things like this drive me up a wall. I think there are a few crimes where the offenders should be treated in the same manner as they treated their victims. Child molesters, animal abusers, child abusers etc etc.

But you are probably right about his reinstatement. If your team has a chance to get a player that can make a difference, you would probably forgive the transgressions a lot more easily. And money talks...if the league and any team can benefit financially from his reinstatement, it will probably happen. Plus there are a lot of groups out there claiming that keeping him out, or lobbying to keep him out amounts to blatant racism. So teams, animal rights groups, the league, the media and anyone else not happy about the situation will have to keep quiet or risk being called racist.

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Tighthead420' post='150740' date='Feb 5 2009, 11:16 AM']But you are probably right about his reinstatement. If your team has a chance to get a player that can make a difference, you would probably forgive the transgressions a lot more easily. And money talks...if the league and any team can benefit financially from his reinstatement, it will probably happen. Plus there are a lot of groups out there claiming that keeping him out, or lobbying to keep him out amounts to blatant racism. So teams, animal rights groups, the league, the media and anyone else not happy about the situation will have to keep quiet or risk being called racist.[/quote]

Yes, but it shouldnt matter. Your right. We shouldnt support people like that. Our society is so forgiving and jaded when it comes to the Almighty Celebrity. We justify their actions so much its become more of a taboo not to except them for the stupid things that they do. We idolize these people for all the wrong reasons.

[Shoreraven52]

I'm all for Vicks return on one condition, that he play for for the browns. Mike Vick and the dog pound that would just be too sweet lmao.

[JEFF4i]

[quote name='raven43' post='148152' date='Feb 1 2009, 12:57 AM']what? dude, shut up.[/quote]

If they let him play again it shows that the NFL will really tolerate nearly any behavior.

Oh, and it is unstoPPable, sorry a Steelers fan had to teach you how to spell.

[Purple Punishment]

so Vick shouldnt get a chance after paying his debt to society? I mean Pacmans actions led to a persons livelihood being taken away from them in the form of paralysis. Vick did wrong and he knows it. But should he be denied the right to play football? I say no. I mean, I am an animal lover and I think what he did was dispicable, but in the eyes of justice, an animals life isnt nearly as valuable as a humans, hence Vick will play again. I could see him in Dallas, or Detroit. He has no place in San Fran. Not logical since they have an emerging starter

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' post='151196' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:49 PM']so Vick shouldnt get a chance after paying his debt to society? I mean Pacmans actions led to a persons livelihood being taken away from them in the form of paralysis. Vick did wrong and he knows it. But should he be denied the right to play football? I say no. I mean, I am an animal lover and I think what he did was dispicable, but in the eyes of justice, an animals life isnt nearly as valuable as a humans, hence Vick will play again. I could see him in Dallas, or Detroit. He has no place in San Fran. Not logical since they have an emerging starter[/quote]

How far do you think you would go in the job market with a FELONY charge on your record? It should be the same for theses ***hole celebrities. No one should be above the law. In the grand scheme of things football is not that important.

[MagicianCamille]

Michael Vick shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL. Also the 49ers are trying to build something, bringing in an aging, dusty dog-killer who was never a good quarterback (and by quarterback I mean throwing the ball with any accuracy, establishing a passing game, doing the things you have to do to beat good teams) seems like a really bad move.

Vick's only sorry 'cause he got caught, if he never got caught he'd have kept on doing it to this very day. Anyone who can't see that is delusional and needs to take a step back from the football world and gain a grip on reality (and morality). I'll immediately lose respect for any franchise owner that brings him in.

[JEFF4i]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' post='151196' date='Feb 6 2009, 03:49 PM']so Vick shouldnt get a chance after paying his debt to society? I mean Pacmans actions led to a persons livelihood being taken away from them in the form of paralysis. Vick did wrong and he knows it. But should he be denied the right to play football? I say no. I mean, I am an animal lover and I think what he did was dispicable, but in the eyes of justice, an animals life isnt nearly as valuable as a humans, hence Vick will play again. I could see him in Dallas, or Detroit. He has no place in San Fran. Not logical since they have an emerging starter[/quote]

Which is why I stand with the opinion that Pacman shouldn't be playing either. What both of them did is wrong, but at what point is the NFL going to say enough is enough?

What modern sports is telling the world is that you can get to be a multi-millionare off of your talent, people will love you(lets face it, even you guys love some of your Ravens), and while getting there will be some work, you will realize a dream. Beyond that though, you can really do whatever you want. Maybe its just me, but I see the money they are making specifically, as a privelage, and it comes with strings.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='JEFF4i' post='151869' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:56 AM']Which is why I stand with the opinion that Pacman shouldn't be playing either. What both of them did is wrong, but at what point is the NFL going to say enough is enough?

What modern sports is telling the world is that you can get to be a multi-millionare off of your talent, people will love you(lets face it, even you guys love some of your Ravens), and while getting there will be some work, you will realize a dream. Beyond that though, you can really do whatever you want. Maybe its just me, but I see the money they are making specifically, as a privelage, and it comes with strings.[/quote]

No what Modern Sports is telling the world is that everybody deserves a 2nd chance sometimes even a 3rd and 4th. As long as you're willing to change for the better then someone else should be willing to give you a chance. If a really talented milk man went to jail for dog fighting is he not allowed to be a milk man ever again? Or is it ok for one person to be able to continue in they're profession just not the other? If that's the case then I didn't know there were exceptions to standards?

So what if he makes $5,000,000 or $30,000. As long as a man does his time and pays his debt to society then there should be no reason not to give him a 2nd chance. Right? After all, this is America isn't it? If there is an imagine problem the NFL is worried about then they should have thought about that b4 allowing the players from the infamous viking boat scandal to return to the game. They should also ban any man that makes a mistake for smoking pot, or taking drugs, or getting publicly intoxicated, or has any run ins with the law, or taking performance enhancing supplements. Why discriminate? Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Nothing privileged about it. Making millions of dollars is not someone's hand me down for being a good chap. They've earned their money. They've put in their dedication and commitment. When you get your pay check at the end of the week do you feel like your boss has taken special privilege towards you when he hands you your pay check? I'm sure you feel like you've earned it. What if your boss said to you on payday, "here's your check but there's strings attached, you can't spend any of this on cheesecake or bud ice."

If making millions of dollars is a privilege, well, so be it. But if the privilege was that significant, Michael Vick wouldn't be in a federal prison right now having his freedom taken from him.

The man deserves a 2nd chance. After all, he is human. Last time I checked, humans weren't perfect...

[Rocky Mountain Raven]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='151890' date='Feb 8 2009, 01:50 PM']No what Modern Sports is telling the world is that everybody deserves a 2nd chance sometimes even a 3rd and 4th. As long as you're willing to change for the better then someone else should be willing to give you a chance. If a really talented milk man went to jail for dog fighting is he not allowed to be a milk man ever again? Or is it ok for one person to be able to continue in they're profession just not the other? If that's the case then I didn't know there were exceptions to standards?

So what if he makes $5,000,000 or $30,000. As long as a man does his time and pays his debt to society then there should be no reason not to give him a 2nd chance. Right? After all, this is America isn't it? If there is an imagine problem the NFL is worried about then they should have thought about that b4 allowing the players from the infamous viking boat scandal to return to the game. They should also ban any man that makes a mistake for smoking pot, or taking drugs, or getting publicly intoxicated, or has any run ins with the law, or taking performance enhancing supplements. Why discriminate? Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Nothing privileged about it. Making millions of dollars is not someone's hand me down for being a good chap. They've earned their money. They've put in their dedication and commitment. When you get your pay check at the end of the week do you feel like your boss has taken special privilege towards you when he hands you your pay check? I'm sure you feel like you've earned it. What if your boss said to you on payday, "here's your check but there's strings attached, you can't spend any of this on cheesecake or bud ice."

If making millions of dollars is a privilege, well, so be it. But if the privilege was that significant, Michael Vick wouldn't be in a federal prison right now having his freedom taken from him.

The man deserves a 2nd chance. After all, he is human. Last time I checked, humans weren't perfect...[/quote]

No, your wrong. Take your analogy of a milkman and replace it with a CEO of any fortune 500 company. Imagine they had been convicted of a felony and sentenced to a federal prison for a couple of years. Do you honestly think they can go back to top of their game after that and live he life they once lived.

Once you have a felony charge on your record your pretty much blacklisted. It shouldnt be any different for a celebrity.