My Terrell Suggs Draft Day Trade Proposal

[flynismo]

[b]I'm going to assume that if we were to trade Sizzle, we could get any first round pick we wanted for him, and probably a third rounder thrown in.[/b]
The objective is to trade up to get Jenkins. Another assumption is that Jenkins doesn't get taken in the top 5; this would be a draft day trade where we wait until #6 is on the clock and Jenkins is still there.

Now, I'm looking at the top 7 in the draft order, which is as follows:

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[*][color="#000080"]Lions[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]Rams[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]KC[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]Seahawks[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]Brownies[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]Bungles[/color]
[*][color="#000080"]Raiders[/color]
[/list]Of those teams, Seattle, KC and Cleveland already have a true pass rushing LB, so we'll assume they have no interest in trading for Sizzle.
We can safely eliminate Detroit and STL, since trading their 1st or 2nd overall for a LB when they have more pressing needs would be pretty dumb. (Then again...ah nevermind)
So that leaves us with the Bungles and Raiders. It's not a stretch by any means to see them drafting a stud pass rushing LB at this spot, if there were one available, and also the likelihood of Jenkins dropping further than this is no guarantee. Unlikely, in my opinion. So these are the two teams we would target.

What I'm thinking is, we could tag Sizzle, and then trade him to CLE or OAK for their 1st and 3rd round picks.

Doing so would let us grab Jenkins, and still let us keep our 1st rounder to pick up a WR if DHB (or whoever) is still there. If we don't like the WR's left we could always take something else, like DE or a LB to replace Suggs, or use it to trade down. It would also give us an additional 3rd round pick, which I would love to see be spent on another WR or a RT.

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If the Draft Day trade fell through for whatever reason, another possibility would be to talk trade with Arizona (here it comes...)
We know that the chemistry Boldin has w/AZ is degrading rapidly, and the development of Breaston could soften the blow for them. They also desperately need a playmaker like Suggs on defense. So maybe a straight up trade, Suggs for Boldin, could be in order.

Thoughts?

[52Kia Kaha92]

i dont want boldin, the guy plays to rough like heap use to and it results in injuries, hell slow donw a lot and id rather have suggs on d than boldin on o


If we cant resign him trading him to a team like SF (desperatley need a pass rush) or GB (need a pass rush) for 1st and 3rd round picks would be great, it alows us to take Jenkins or if hes not there pick up a Michel Oher to give us the best young o-line in the league for the next 10 years or trade down and get hesps of extra picks in the deep deep class

there are a few guys im targeting at the moment

Jasper Brinkley - 3
Phil Loadholt -3
Fenuki Tupo - 3
Larry English - 2
Mark Parson - 2/3

i see us taking some of these guys and those are a few picks the ravens might use

[ravensfan160]

Why do so many people want to trade Suggs? He is the key to what we do on defense since he can play so many positions. Rex said himself that when Suggs had to leave the Tennessee game it limited what he could do. Under no circumstances do we trade Suggs.

[PuRock]

All I can say is if we take away anything from our pressure defense, the pass is going to open up a lot more effectively against us.

We need to keep Suggs. Because he is the main cog in our pass rush. A great pass-rusher is hard to come by.

[RavensIQ]

1. Lions -QB
2. Rams- OT
3. Chiefs-QB/LB
4. Seahawks-WR
5. Browns-LB/DE
6. Bengals-OT/DL
7. Raiders-OL
8. Jaguars-OT
9. Packers-DL
10. 49ers-DE/QB

Personally I think our best bet would be to try to trade with San Fran. The 49ers desperately need a gifted DE. With the 10th overall pick they would be more willing to give up extra draft picks bcuz the farther you go down the list the more that picks value declines. Also, by the time they're ready to select, Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez will probably be off the board. Which will allow them to address their defense in the first round. They need a dominate DE and that's probably what they're going to target. Everrette Brown or Brian Orakpo will be very high on their list. So a trade for an instant Pro Bowl player (suggs) might be too enticing for them to pass on. With the 10th overall selection we could always trade up even higher to select Jenkins if we feel he woould'nt drop beyond the 5th pick.

Trading w/the Browns or The Bengals is a bad idea bcuz they are both divisional opponents and I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to see Sizzle coming after Flacco twice a year.

Jacksonville really needs to address their O-Line in the 1st and given how many great OTs there are this year they could easily afford to swap draft picks with us and still be able to get their future OT. They select 8th overall so if they draft a tackle there they'll have to dish out a lot of dough for a top 10 lineman. This might be the perfect scenario for both the Ravens and Jacksonville

The Raiders are going to go after a workout force like they always do. But they really need to solidify their Offensive line b4 they do anything else. Their Line this year had more sacks than a potato farmer. With Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, ect ect.. I don't see them passing on a premier tackle.

I say target San Fran or Jacksonville. Depending on what position Ozzie feels needs to be address the most we might even make a trade with Arizona for Boldin and use our 1st to lock up a Defensive player or an offensive guard. (I would not be opposed to drafting Duke Robinson with our 1st round pick) Gaither, Grubbs, Brown, Robinson, Anderson = best O-line in the league. Robinson is a BEAST!

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='PuRock' post='143671' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:47 PM']All I can say is if we take away anything from our pressure defense, the pass is going to open up a lot more effectively against us.

We need to keep Suggs. Because he is the main cog in our pass rush. A great pass-rusher is hard to come by.[/quote]


100% agree, to get rid of him is just stupid. We need him and would STILL be in need of another pass rush or 2.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='143692' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:20 PM']100% agree, to get rid of him is just stupid. We need him and would STILL be in need of another pass rush or 2.[/quote]
Yeah but if we could replace Sizzle with Peppers plus get extra picks out of the whole thing you're telling me it's still not worth it? Iono, I'm a Suggs fan too and I'd hate to see him go, but if his absence allowed our team to improve in multiple areas from additional draft picks then my loyalty switches from one of my favorite players, to the better good of the entire team.

[Purple Punishment]

dude i like you idea but your thoughts are too radical and our management may not want to engage in the kind of risk of letting a proven player in our 3-4 like Suggs go. We have a great chemistry here in Bmore and Suggs will be the next leader of our D.

Peppers was part of a 4-3 D and he is most used to that. Could he be the same impact player in a totally different lineman role? We dont know that and we probably wont take that risk. Good idea but like i said, too radical dude

[bce086]

[quote name='PuRock' post='143671' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:47 PM']All I can say is if we take away anything from our pressure defense, the pass is going to open up a lot more effectively against us.

We need to keep Suggs. Because he is the main cog in our pass rush. A great pass-rusher is hard to come by.[/quote]


Yep, the reason why our secondary is making plays and hanging in there all season long is caused by the pressure our pass rushers create... Aka Terrel Suggs who is the best pass rusher we have.

[the_PICKle]

Why would you want to take on a top 5-10 draft pick contract? I'd much rather spend that money on a proven guy like Suggs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='143698' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:27 PM']Yeah but if we could replace Sizzle with Peppers plus get extra picks out of the whole thing you're telling me it's still not worth it? Iono, I'm a Suggs fan too and I'd hate to see him go, but if his absence allowed our team to improve in multiple areas from additional draft picks then my loyalty switches from one of my favorite players, to the better good of the entire team.[/quote]

Well, that's pretty much what I'm getting at...If we traded Siz for a 1 & 3, we'd have two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders. I mean, look at our history of first round picks. Jenkins + whoever else would be gold. Two third rounders would be awesome, there will be great talent available there in this years draft. That's a lot to pass up on...and we may not even need to look to the draft to replace Suggs when we have Barnes and Gooden on the roster already.
And if we managed to lure Peppers over, then game over. Just send us our SB rings now, please.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bce086' post='143712' date='Jan 22 2009, 02:28 PM']Yep, the reason why our secondary is making plays and hanging in there all season long is caused by the pressure our pass rushers create... Aka Terrel Suggs who is the best pass rusher we have.[/quote]

True, and the pass rush all begins with the defensive line. When you have guys like Ngata, Gregg and Pryce on the DL, life is gravy for a pass rushing LB....Barnes could probably come in at the very least on passing downs, and JJ could play run formations.

But not only that, but our secondary is in a world of hurt. Our two best DB's are 31 & 32 years old and very injury prone. We need a Jenkins more than we need a Suggs.

[FlaccosFlock]

I agree with giving Suggs up for the benefit of the team. We have Ngata which I have heard has developed into a true leader in the locker room. When Ray is gone we will still have Reed to lead us plus Ngata. I don't believe Suggs is a leader, but he is an excellent player. I would definitely give him up to get a pick in the Top 10 plus a 3rd Round pick. I would love to get Boldin though because he is a beast of a WR. I think the draft picks would be a more realistic scenario that could happen then a trade to get Boldin.

[Canes21]

we need to keep suggs. hes too talented to let go and hes young. jenkins will be picked 9th by the packers. way too big of a contract for us to handle.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Canes21' post='144076' date='Jan 22 2009, 08:41 PM']we need to keep suggs. hes too talented to let go and hes young. jenkins will be picked 9th by the packers. way too big of a contract for us to handle.[/quote]


I really doubt he'll get more than Sizzle would...

[Canes21]

im just curious as to if anyone knows like a ballpark figure of the type of contract suggs will get.

[Purple Punishment]

enough to keep him happy and playing in baltimore. probably somewhere 6yrs 70mil

[52Kia Kaha92]

probably like 5 years 50 million with about 20 mil guarnteed i reckon
that was hes is roughly about 6 mil towrds the cap a year

[RavensIQ]

Dwight Freeney got a 6 year $72 million contract with a $30 million signing bonus

Sizzle will probably get a 7yr 70 million dollar contract with a large signing bonus ($35 million signing bonus would make it $5 million a year)

Anyway Sizzle is asking for Freeney type numbers. He wants to be one of the the highest paid defensive players in the league.

[McDirty33]

if were not gonna be able to keep suggs we should try to trade him to san fran for their 10th pick and pick up jenkins if hes available if not a replacement for sizzle like everette brown or brian orapko then get a receiver with our 26th pick

[RavensIQ]

If Sizzle goes on sirius radio and talks about taking a home discount then we can't let this guy go. He is a pure Raven. Everything about him bleeds purple. He's mean, big, strong, fast, smashmouth and most importantly he has the ravens attitude. If Sizzle takes a home field discount I will have even MORE respect for him then I already do now (which is a lot).

Now if he tries to rape the ravens finances then trade him. But if he's willing to take less to win more, well, that just brings tears to my eyes.

[Purple Punishment]

Suggs is mature beyond his years and knows a what he is part of is a great thing. He will be our future leader. I have a great deal of respect for him saying he will take less money so we can keep our team together.

[usmccharles]

he says he'll take less but we will have to wait and see, im not downing him by any means but everyone knows its all about the money......very select times have i heard players taking a pay cut....

[papachewlo]

I do not understand why people want to trade Suggs. He does the good job. Its allot of other people on the team that could be and should be traded. Keep Suggs unless we getting a player or players we know that going to be guarantee to help us out.

[flynismo]

[quote name='papachewlo' post='145271' date='Jan 26 2009, 05:41 AM']I do not understand why people want to trade Suggs. He does the good job. Its allot of other people on the team that could be and should be traded. Keep Suggs unless we getting a player or players we know that going to be guarantee to help us out.[/quote]

I don't want to see him traded...in fact the thought of it really sucks. Especially now, because over the past two years he has developed into one of the most complete LB'ers in the league (a monster pass rusher who can stop the run, and play decent coverage?? suh-weet!)

But, I'm looking at it from the POV of what gives us the most talent on the field at any given time. And also the fact that there are tons of good LB'ers out there, and that in comparison, top notch CB's are few and far between, I think if we could do something like this it would benefit our team.