Editorial Research..

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='bce086' post='143788' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:20 PM']He wants Fittzgerald money. Fittzgerald got $14.6 million this year if I'm not mistaking....[/quote]


Well, look what Fittzgerald has done? I mean Boldin's good... but Im not sure if he's worth 14 Mil.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='bce086' post='143789' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:21 PM']And looks like Boldin's salary is only 2.5 million. Psh id be mad too.[/quote]

Oh,psh.. hell yea I'd be pissed. Thats a big difference. We could easily give him more then that.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='143764' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:04 PM']No he's under contract. We would need to trade for him. I'm a little hesitant to do that too. He's not the young receiver that can grow along with Flacco that I would like and its out now that he isn't a team player. That wouldn't mesh with coach Harbaugh. So for those two reasons plus that fact that we'd have to pay a lot to get him I say we're better of getting a receiver throught the draft or just going with the guys we have. I honestly really like our receiving corp for next year assuming we resign D Williams (Mason, Clayton, Williams, Smith) I think with a more experienced Flacco we can make some noise with that group.[/quote]
hard to find young WR's that are reliable that position is one of the most risky to go for in the draft. O yeah and another thing why did we never try out Smith? He is taller then all are other WR's isnt he?

We need a big body that Flacco can do deep with.

[bce086]

sorry I think my numbers were wrong before... not as big a difference now

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' post='143793' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:23 PM']hard to find young WR's that are reliable that position is one of the most risky to go for in the draft. O yeah and another thing why did we never try out Smith? He is taller then all are other WR's isnt he?

We need a big body that Flacco can do deep with.[/quote]


No doubt.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='bce086' post='143795' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:24 PM']sorry I think my numbers were wrong before... not as big a difference now[/quote]

Idk. It still kind of is.

[catty112]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='143764' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:04 PM']No he's under contract. We would need to trade for him. I'm a little hesitant to do that too. He's not the young receiver that can grow along with Flacco that I would like and its out now that he isn't a team player. That wouldn't mesh with coach Harbaugh. So for those two reasons plus that fact that we'd have to pay a lot to get him I say we're better of getting a receiver throught the draft or just going with the guys we have. [b]I honestly really like our receiving corp for next year assuming we resign D Williams (Mason, Clayton, Williams, Smith) I think with a more experienced Flacco we can make some noise with that group.[/b][/quote]

I agree with you I like how our WR corps could look next year if Williams stays healthy and Smith progresses more. But I also think we need to get a FA WR that would IMMEDIATELY be considered a threat, a player the other team knows is capable of making a play and thus they gameplan around.

This is why I think it would be a good idea if we pursue TJ Houshmandzedah. He could immediately come in a be a great #1/2 target for Flacco to go to and will demand double teams and one of the two top CBs on the other team to cover him. This would open up more room for Mason to work his magic or line up Clayton or DWill on the Nickelback or even a safety which they can work their speed and deepthreat ability on.

Think about it Housh and Mason as the #1 and #2 and clayton/Dwill in the slot or bump Mason into the slot and have Clayton/Dwill on the outside. This would usually put Clayton/DWill in one on one situations which is a great matchup for us.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='catty112' post='143815' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:31 PM']I agree with you I like how our WR corps could look next year if Williams stays healthy and Smith progresses more. But I also think we need to get a FA WR that would IMMEDIATELY be considered a threat, a player the other team knows is capable of making a play and thus they gameplan around.

[b]This is why I think it would be a good idea if we pursue TJ Houshmandzedah.[/b] He could immediately come in a be a great #1/2 target for Flacco to go to and will demand double teams and one of the two top CBs on the other team to cover him. This would open up more room for Mason to work his magic or line up Clayton or DWill on the Nickelback or even a safety which they can work their speed and deepthreat ability on.

Think about it Housh and Mason as the #1 and #2 and clayton/Dwill in the slot or bump Mason into the slot and have Clayton/Dwill on the outside. This would usually put Clayton/DWill in one on one situations which is a great matchup for us.[/quote]


I like the idea of TJ but the thing is that I wonder if he could provide the "deep threat" that we need.

[catty112]

Well people think we need to bring in a deep threat but people don't realize we kind of already one maybe two of them on our existing roster! DWill has a good frame and decent speed to get behind defenders and make the physical catch in one on one situations. Clayton doesn't have as big of a frame but makes up for with better speed. Adding another possesion like reciever ala Housh opens up deep threat capabilities for DWill and Clayton.

DWill is by all means a deep threat and Clayton is a Burner that can get behind the defense with his speed and route running

[MKdave]

Don't forget about the big uglies.
We really have only 3 starter quality D-lineman, and one is due for decline, one is coming off a season ending injury. We should be looking at a big, agile guy to fit in there to team up with Haloti and really wreak havoc.
They could be our own version of the Williams', but better.

[heatherln]

I gotta love the fact that for the first time, in I don't know how many years, we're not saying a QB!
We seem to do really well with draft picks, though I don't really pay attention to college ball, I can't name names! I would like to see us go after a wide receiver during FA or trade.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='heatherln' post='143848' date='Jan 22 2009, 04:48 PM']I gotta love the fact that for the first time, in I don't know how many years, we're not saying a QB!
We seem to do really well with draft picks, though I don't really pay attention to college ball, I can't name names! I would like to see us go after a wide receiver during FA or trade.[/quote]

I know right?! Theres really no great WR's besides TJ in FA. So we are 80% going to have to trade for one.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='143868' date='Jan 22 2009, 05:01 PM']I know right?! Theres really no great WR's besides TJ in FA. So we are 80% going to have to trade for one.[/quote]

Or pick one up in the draft... theres some nice possesion receivers that can be deep threats... ex. DHB, Hakeem Nicks, Maclin.. even though they all might be taken before pick 26.

[Canes21]

i hope we dont go after TJ hes no better then what we have.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='143871' date='Jan 22 2009, 05:02 PM']Or pick one up in the draft... theres some nice possesion receivers that can be deep threats... ex. DHB, Hakeem Nicks, Maclin.. even though they all might be taken before pick 26. [/quote]


We need an experienced WR. I'd like to get one in the draft too though. To learn behind Mason.

[BringingtheBlitz]

We do not need to go seeking a DLer via FA, but I wouldn't mind to see us draft one in a late round. Pryce has stated previously he is coming back next season and I would argue he played better later in the season than he did earlier in the season, which is unusual for a player of his age. Ngata continues to develop and grow as a player, he will be even more of a monster next year. Justin Bannan has likewise performed admirably this season, and will be in contention for a starting role next year. Douglas did a good job coming off the bench to keep our line fresh, as did McKinney (especially considering we didn't acquire McKinney until October). As it is, we have 5 more defensive linemen on IR and 2 on the practice squad. Gregg will be back and hopefully in the same form that he was at during the 2007 season. I believe our defensive line will be one of our greatest strengths next season, and as such should be very low on our offseason priority list.

How can you say Boldin is not a team player? I have seen few players work harder to get back from an injury than Boldin did from his collision during the Jets/Cardinals game that literally broke his face. Or how about rehabbing his hamstring injury so he could help out his team in the playoffs? An argument with a coordinator does not mean you are not a team player. Kurt Warner had a similar one with their OC during the game too, but for some reason more was made out of Boldin's tirade. He wanted to be in the game, and that is natural for a competitive athlete on the NFL level. He was not arguing that Fitzgerald was in the game and getting all the looks, he was arguing that Breaston was in his usual spot for the play call. Personally, I would love to have him on the Ravens. He is only on his 6th season in the league, so age should not be a consideration at this stage of his career. If we have to part with one of our "Big Three" linebackers, if that was via trade with Arizona to bring Boldin to our team, I could get behind and support that. Both teams would win with that trade, but our linebacking corps is deep as I think the defensive loss would be upset by the offensive gain.

As for potential CBs to draft, we would definetely have to trade up for Malcolm Jenkins (OSU) and Vontae Davis (Illinois), who are projected to be the top 2 CBs in the draft respectively. D.J. Moore out of Vanderbilt is projected 3rd best and the 25th overall player in this year's draft by Scouts Inc. However he is 5'10" and 184 lbs, so would just further increase the number of small fast CBs that we have on our roster. I would like to see us pick up Sean Smith out of Utah, the 4th ranked CB of this year's draft class, and the #30 player overall by Scouts Inc. He is 6' 2 1/2" and 212 lbs., meaning we could get a tall physical corner that could potentially match up well against some of the NFL's larger recievers (or the entire San Diego recieving corps). That size means he could match up well against opposing TEs that are involved heavily in the passing game as well. Depending on what Ozzie and crew think other teams' needs are, we might be able to even trade down in exchange for an early 2nd round pick and a plethora of other picks, as we are found of doing. I will leave the draft pick wizardry to the Wizard of Ozz, but Sean Smith should definetely be very high on our draft board in my opinion.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='BringingtheBlitz' post='143892' date='Jan 22 2009, 05:15 PM']We do not need to go seeking a DLer via FA, but I wouldn't mind to see us draft one in a late round. Pryce has stated previously he is coming back next season and I would argue he played better later in the season than he did earlier in the season, which is unusual for a player of his age. Ngata continues to develop and grow as a player, he will be even more of a monster next year. Justin Bannan has likewise performed admirably this season, and will be in contention for a starting role next year. Douglas did a good job coming off the bench to keep our line fresh, as did McKinney (especially considering we didn't acquire McKinney until October). As it is, we have 5 more defensive linemen on IR and 2 on the practice squad. Gregg will be back and hopefully in the same form that he was at during the 2007 season. I believe our defensive line will be one of our greatest strengths next season, and as such should be very low on our offseason priority list.

How can you say Boldin is not a team player? I have seen few players work harder to get back from an injury than Boldin did from his collision during the Jets/Cardinals game that literally broke his face. Or how about rehabbing his hamstring injury so he could help out his team in the playoffs? An argument with a coordinator does not mean you are not a team player. Kurt Warner had a similar one with their OC during the game too, but for some reason more was made out of Boldin's tirade. He wanted to be in the game, and that is natural for a competitive athlete on the NFL level. He was not arguing that Fitzgerald was in the game and getting all the looks, he was arguing that Breaston was in his usual spot for the play call. Personally, I would love to have him on the Ravens. He is only on his 6th season in the league, so age should not be a consideration at this stage of his career. If we have to part with one of our "Big Three" linebackers, if that was via trade with Arizona to bring Boldin to our team, I could get behind and support that. Both teams would win with that trade, but our linebacking corps is deep as I think the defensive loss would be upset by the offensive gain.

As for potential CBs to draft, we would definetely have to trade up for Malcolm Jenkins (OSU) and Vontae Davis (Illinois), who are projected to be the top 2 CBs in the draft respectively. D.J. Moore out of Vanderbilt is projected 3rd best and the 25th overall player in this year's draft by Scouts Inc. [b]However he is 5'10" and 184 lbs, so would just further increase the number of small fast CBs that we have on our roster.[/b] I would like to see us pick up Sean Smith out of Utah, the 4th ranked CB of this year's draft class, and the #30 player overall by Scouts Inc. He is 6' 2 1/2" and 212 lbs., meaning we could get a tall physical corner that could potentially match up well against some of the NFL's larger recievers (or the entire San Diego recieving corps). That size means he could match up well against opposing TEs that are involved heavily in the passing game as well. Depending on what Ozzie and crew think other teams' needs are, we might be able to even trade down in exchange for an early 2nd round pick and a plethora of other picks, as we are found of doing. I will leave the draft pick wizardry to the Wizard of Ozz, but Sean Smith should definetely be very high on our draft board in my opinion.[/quote]

D.J. Moore may be small, but I think he may be what we need which is a shutdown corner. A big CB would be nice, but hopefully with Landry coming back he will be able to get most of the TE routes. Once Samari retires, and assuming CMac isn't here.. which i hope he is here... Fabian Washington aside DJ Moore with Reed and Landry should be a pretty well - off secondary. That is, assuming Moore plays up to his draft status.. which unforutnately is not always tru.e

[BringingtheBlitz]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='144039' date='Jan 22 2009, 06:42 PM']D.J. Moore may be small, but I think he may be what we need which is a shutdown corner. A big CB would be nice, but hopefully with Landry coming back he will be able to get most of the TE routes. Once Samari retires, and assuming CMac isn't here.. which i hope he is here... Fabian Washington aside DJ Moore with Reed and Landry should be a pretty well - off secondary. That is, assuming Moore plays up to his draft status.. which unforutnately is not always tru.e[/quote]

Mel Kiper actually didn't have Sean Smith being picked up by anyone in the first round, so maybe we would be able to trade up for a very early 2nd round pick and get both of them. I doubt we would pick up two players with the same position like that, but I wouldn't mind if we did. Whichever CB our scouts believe is the better player, I will have faith in their decision. Also, we decide to address our CB need through the FA market (so we get more of a proven commodity as opposed to the draft gamble), then we should definetely draft a strong WR prospect as our first round pick. I would still like to see us draft another CB with a relatively high round draft pick if we take that course though (2nd or 3rd round) so our depth increases at that position. I assume our secondary next year will be with Rolle and Fabian as our two starting CBs, at least going into training camp. CMac is going to have to earn his starting spot back, if he is still with the team. I have no problem with him one way or another, as long as he can perform at a level equal to the money he is being paid.

It is hard not to like a Landry/Reed safety duo, though Leonhard/Reed worked out quite well for us as well. There is no need to rush Landry back faster than he needs to, we have an insane amount of depth at safety as our roster stands now. I just hope Reed will get his INTs at a steady pace next season so he will not be overlooked for DPOY as much as he was this year.