Landry V Leonhard (merged Threads)

[BloodRaven]

Nobody is asking how well Landry will play after the spinal concussion. That said although we're still dominant, we've lost a lot of speed from our D and Leonhard provides more than Landry. Harbaugh is smart and likes pure football players.

I still wonder why Laron is so much slower than his brother.

[tweety]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='143516' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:54 AM']Nobody is asking how well Landry will play after the spinal concussion. That said although we're still dominant, we've lost a lot of speed from our D and Leonhard provides more than Landry. Harbaugh is smart and likes pure football players.

I still wonder why Laron is so much slower than his brother.[/quote]
Laron raven a 4.37 you think Dawan can match that?

[DCole]

[quote name='samic' post='142508' date='Jan 20 2009, 04:33 PM']i think people are jumping the gun on leonard. landry is by far the better safety. he is the better tackler, he's better at stopping the run and better in coverage. i'm not saying that leonard didn't come up big for us in a lot of games this year, but i've also seen where he's cost us on missed tackles and blown coverage. there were times when he made into the backfield and just stood there like he didn't know what to do and the rushers just blew past him. i think we try to keep both but landry is the better safety.[/quote]


I would have to agree with you there. I did notice jim whiffing alot of tackles that dawan(sp) would make. Will landry be able to perform at the level he was prior to getting hurt, or will he be more susceptible to re injuring his neck? jim did make some good plays, but did he really do more than anyone else at that spot would have done? i mean this is the Ravens D, everyone makes plays.

[tweety]

It is not like he suffered a knee or ankle injury.. I don't even think he had surgery. Unless mentally he has change I don't think there is a question who fits better between Landry and Leonard.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='tweety' post='143528' date='Jan 22 2009, 03:56 AM']Laron raven a 4.37 you think Dawan can match that?[/quote]

No Hence the comment.

[Shawn`]

If we really had to pick between the two I'd go with Leonard, he brings youth and explosiveness to not only the defense but punt returns. Can Landry be a consistant punt returner? And he expects us to pay him more? No thank you, there are so many other Strong Safeties out on the market.

I'm just not a fan of landry I guess.

[RavenFan626]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='143597' date='Jan 22 2009, 10:05 AM']If we really had to pick between the two I'd go with Leonard, he brings [b]youth[/b] and explosiveness to not only the defense but punt returns. Can Landry be a consistant punt returner? And he expects us to pay him more? No thank you, there are so many other Strong Safeties out on the market.

I'm just not a fan of landry I guess.[/quote]
You do know that Landry and Leonhard are the same age, right.

[Iodine]

Landry is better against the run and is a better hitter but we are already great against the run and Leongod is better in coverage

[rastaman831226]

Dawan Landry is the starter next season for good reason. He's bigger, faster, hits surer and harder and covers more ground than Leonard. Leonard is an excellent safety in the Ravens' system, however, Landry's contributions make our secondary dominate. Keeping Leonard as a backup would make us dominate and deep. The real question here is does Leonard's year make either Nakamura or Zib( the kid out of Notre Dame) expendable since the Ravens are not likely to keep that many safeties on the roster. The other question is will the Ravens seek to trade Leonard for a CB or draft choice now that he's received some notoriety?

[Ravens52]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='143633' date='Jan 22 2009, 11:54 AM']Dawan Landry is the starter next season for good reason. He's bigger, faster, hits surer and harder and covers more ground than Leonard. Leonard is an excellent safety in the Ravens' system, however, Landry's contributions make our secondary dominate. Keeping Leonard as a backup would make us dominate and deep. The real question here is does Leonard's year make either Nakamura or Zib( the kid out of Notre Dame) expendable since the Ravens are not likely to keep that many safeties on the roster. The other question is will the Ravens seek to trade Leonard for a CB or draft choice now that he's received some notoriety?[/quote]

Winner.

[the_PICKle]

[quote name='Shawn`' post='143597' date='Jan 22 2009, 10:05 AM']If we really had to pick between the two I'd go with Leonard, [b]he brings youth[/b] and explosiveness to not only the defense but punt returns. Can Landry be a consistant punt returner? And he expects us to pay him more? No thank you, there are so many other Strong Safeties out on the market.

I'm just not a fan of landry I guess.[/quote]

How does he bring youth if they are the same age?

haha opps! missed that this was already posted

[the_PICKle]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='143633' date='Jan 22 2009, 11:54 AM']Dawan Landry is the starter next season for good reason. He's bigger, faster, hits surer and harder and covers more ground than Leonard. Leonard is an excellent safety in the Ravens' system, however, Landry's contributions make our secondary dominate. Keeping Leonard as a backup would make us dominate and deep. The real question here is does Leonard's year make either Nakamura or Zib( the kid out of Notre Dame) expendable since the Ravens are not likely to keep that many safeties on the roster. The other question is will the Ravens seek to trade Leonard for a CB or draft choice now that he's received some notoriety?[/quote]

Nakamura outplayed Zibi IMO all season. But Zibi can be used as a kick returner and is a solid special teamer. Tough call.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='BloodRaven' post='143516' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:54 AM']Nobody is asking how well Landry will play after the spinal concussion. That said although we're still dominant, we've lost a lot of speed from our D and Leonhard provides more than Landry. Harbaugh is smart and likes pure football players.

I still wonder why Laron is so much slower than his brother.[/quote]

LaRon is way faster than his brother. I think you have the two mixed up.
Anyways, we should definately start Dawan over Leonhard. Sure Leonhard had a strong postseason, but Landry had good success in his first whole years... Landry is bigger, more physical, plays the run better, covers better.

[Ravnet]

How quickly you all forget about Dawan... Landry is actually better than Jimmy in every single facet of the game. Leo is a scrappy kid who pounces on any and every opportunity, but Dawan is more physical, reads the quarterback better, and complements Ed/CMac perfectly.

I would still love to keep Jimmy on our team, but not as the starting strong safety.

[bscott57]

Anyone who wants us to keep Leonhard is (respectfully) out of their minds, Dawan Landry could be a top 5 SS in the NFL and matched with Ed Reed who as we all saw is not the surest tackler on our defense he fills that void and gives us undoubtedly the best safety tandem in the NFL.

Leonhard played well at the end of the year, honestly for most of the season I was very nervous when I saw him isolated or he was the one in space trying to make a tackle. As for the Baltimore sun article people only remember Leonhard for the Titans playoff game which was a huge game for us but also was BY FAR his best game of the year. He was suspect in coverage all year and missed a lot of tackles.

How can people just forget about Dawan Landry, why was this thread ever even started? Leonhard would be a great backup safety, oh yeah that is what he was, now we get Landry back and Leonhard goes back to playing "Rudy" on the pine. He plays with a lot of emotion and guts but he isnt even close to the physical specimen/athlete Landry is, dont get it twisted.

Sign Landry to give us the best safties in the league. Sidenote, for anyone who doesnt think we should keep Fabs also is off their rocker. He played great this year, people easily forget the style defense we play we leave a lot of our corners out on islands with Reed playing sideline to sideline. He played well all year and we dont have a better CB on our roster, we need to get another through FA or the draft.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='142450' date='Jan 20 2009, 07:02 PM']I'm in love with Leonard. Landry is going to be the pricier option to keep, but he's a more established player. However Leonard stepped up big this year, and what can't the guy do? Landry has limited speed, Leonard has no limits apart from size. I say we let Landry go to free up cap space and make Leonard the starting safety next to Reed.[/quote]
I like Leonard, I was very skeptical because of his size but he is the better choice. We can use him as a punt returner, and has had big ints and a huge fumble during the Titan game. Leonard is playing great

I think the future is with him. I still like Landry and I hope if we do chose to get rid of him he has a great career somewhere else.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='143746' date='Jan 22 2009, 03:37 PM']How quickly you all forget about Dawan... Landry is actually better than Jimmy in every single facet of the game. Leo is a scrappy kid who pounces on any and every opportunity, but Dawan is more physical, [b]reads the quarterback better[/b], and complements Ed/CMac perfectly.

I would still love to keep Jimmy on our team, but not as the starting strong safety.[/quote]

I agree with you 100%. I blame it on the "what have you've done for me lately" factor.

Just wait until Landry does something significant next year, everybody will be posting threads about locking him up.
Landry is the better safety for the exact reasons you listed. Reading the quarterback in my mind is the major difference between the two. This is just a personal opinion though.

I like how you describe Leo as a scrappy kid. It's true though. He plays with heart, and makes the most of every opportunity.

[Ravens52]

I believe he's one of our most underrated Ravens right up there with Haloti Ngata. He definitely would be talked about more if it wasn't for his brother playing for a big market team and he didn't have Ed Reed next to him. One of the top 12 safeties in the NFL for sure.. in my opinion. He's also what makes our run defense so special and makes up for what Ed can't do and that's play at the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

[the_PICKle]

[quote name='bscott57' post='143752' date='Jan 22 2009, 03:43 PM']Anyone who wants us to keep Leonhard is (respectfully) out of their minds, Dawan Landry could be a top 5 SS in the NFL and matched with Ed Reed who as we all saw is not the surest tackler on our defense he fills that void and gives us undoubtedly the best safety tandem in the NFL.

Leonhard played well at the end of the year, honestly for most of the season I was very nervous when I saw him isolated or he was the one in space trying to make a tackle. As for the Baltimore sun article people only remember Leonhard for the Titans playoff game which was a huge game for us but also was BY FAR his best game of the year. He was suspect in coverage all year and missed a lot of tackles.

How can people just forget about Dawan Landry, why was this thread ever even started? Leonhard would be a great backup safety, oh yeah that is what he was, now we get Landry back and Leonhard goes back to playing "Rudy" on the pine. He plays with a lot of emotion and guts but he isnt even close to the physical specimen/athlete Landry is, dont get it twisted.

Sign Landry to give us the best safties in the league. Sidenote, for anyone who doesnt think we should keep Fabs also is off their rocker. He played great this year, people easily forget the style defense we play we leave a lot of our corners out on islands with Reed playing sideline to sideline. He played well all year and we dont have a better CB on our roster, we need to get another through FA or the draft.[/quote]

Thank you. Glad to see some people with sense here.

[tctony]

Landry is definitely the better safety. I still think we should keep Leonhard though, he was very important this year.

Just like everybody else says, we can use Leonhard as a nickelback, and in gimmick packages to confuse opposing offenses.

I also like Leo over anybody else in our return game.

[52Kia Kaha92]

whoever saif Leonhard is better in coverage is obviosuly stoned as Landry locks down in tight ends and his size allows him to do so, the guy is better run stopper and better at pass coverage

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Iodine' post='143605' date='Jan 22 2009, 11:21 AM']Landry is better against the run and is a better hitter but we are already great against the run and Leongod is better in coverage[/quote]

This.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Iodine' post='143605' date='Jan 22 2009, 10:21 AM']Landry is better against the run and is a better hitter but we are already great against the run and Leongod is better in coverage[/quote]

You have the two mixed up; actually, Landry is better at both. I love Jimmy, but Dawan is just a better safety due to his physical makeup.

[the_PICKle]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='144190' date='Jan 23 2009, 02:56 AM']You have the two mixed up; actually, Landry is better at both. I love Jimmy, but Dawan is just a better safety due to his physical makeup.[/quote]

Correct. Landry's height advantage over Leonhard is a major plus in all ways, with the exception of speed. But he doesn't need to be super fast, as his job is to make the tackle after a CB slows the receiver down.

[20ravens52]

I want both. It'd be worth it to have both in my opinion, especially since Leonhard can also return punts and kicks.

[ravenwildman]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='142453' date='Jan 20 2009, 07:04 PM']Both and its possible.[/quote]


I second this thought...man both if possible...look elsewhere to thin things

[p0!]

Landry on paper is the better man for the job, but i may be crazy it just seems like lenoard is a ball hawk just like reed, he just seem's to turn up in big plays and he's always around it, plus his small stature allows him to get in underneath those big guys and cause fumbles. I love em both just my 2 cents.

[TSizzle00]

Leonhard played good but does not have the stats to ask for a new contract

[rastaman831226]

Too hung up with hero worship to see the obvious. Landry is already one of the top young safeties in the league, Leonard had a good year despite his flaws and has earned a backup position. This situation boils down to either Zbibikowski or Nakamura getting cut or put on the practice squad.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='144965' date='Jan 25 2009, 10:13 AM']Too hung up with hero worship to see the obvious. Landry is already one of the top young safeties in the league, Leonard had a good year despite his flaws and has earned a backup position. This situation boils down to either Zbibikowski or Nakamura getting cut or put on the practice squad.[/quote]
zibi has to go to the PS