Darren Stone

[MagicianCamille]

It was an enormous mistake. No he shouldn't be cut for it.

[BloodRaven]

So a team full of mistakes like Detroit shouldnt have anyone cut?

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='PuRock' post='141096' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:09 PM']Dave what's the deal with your man crush on Stone?[/quote]
I just have a plain 'ol crush on Stone
He's a total stud!

[Marc2k6]

OK, so Stone should be cut because of the penality that moved us from the 40 to like the 13? Hmmmmmmm! First Stone got crushed on the first play of the game, CRUSHED! He left the field seeing star's! I'm sure he should not have even been playing after that hit and that was one play.

We were down 2 points right? All we needed was a FG but instead Flacco threw a Int for a TD to Troy Polomayo(how ever u spell it). Now that pass was to a WR who was not even close to being open with 2 defender in the area and 1 defender following the QB's eye to the ball because he was stairing so hard at the WR. Why are we not blaming Flacco for that? Which play was more damaging? Was the penalty the reason Flacco threw the pick 6? I'm not blaming Flacco because he did way more than I expected and I think he will play even better next year but if you are going to blame Stone then blame F. Washington for falling down covering Homes, D-line for not sacking Big Ben on the Homes TD and blame Flacco also! Or just chalk it up as a team loss that is what I will do!

[the_PICKle]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='144055' date='Jan 22 2009, 07:47 PM']OK, so Stone should be cut because of the penality that moved us from the 40 to like the 13? Hmmmmmmm! First Stone got crushed on the first play of the game, CRUSHED! He left the field seeing star's! I'm sure he should not have even been playing after that hit and that was one play.

We were down 2 points right? All we needed was a FG but instead Flacco threw a Int for a TD to Troy Polomayo(how ever u spell it). Now that pass was to a WR who was not even close to being open with 2 defender in the area and 1 defender following the QB's eye to the ball because he was stairing so hard at the WR. Why are we not blaming Flacco for that? Which play was more damaging? Was the penalty the reason Flacco threw the pick 6? I'm not blaming Flacco because he did way more than I expected and I think he will play even better next year but if you are going to blame Stone then blame F. Washington for falling down covering Homes, D-line for not sacking Big Ben on the Homes TD and blame Flacco also! Or just chalk it up as a team loss that is what I will do! [/quote]

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Stone has made plays all year long, the average fan doesn't notice and wants him gone because of one penalty. Let it go and watch the man make plays on special teams again next year.

[RavensIQ]

CUT HIM

I could care less about this guy. We were 30 yards away from a game winning fg and his stupid stupid stupid stupid decision to throw someone to the ground 10 yards away from the sideline cost us the game. It's hard enough getting just 30 yards against the Steeler's number 1 defense but having to go down field 60 yards plus was damn near impossible, which we all saw why.

Screw Darren Stone. His job was to block. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. And this no name scrub jeopardizes his teams chance at making it to the superbowl by trying to be some kinda difference maker (which he turned out to be). This guy wasn't even on the roster at the beginning of the year. He shouldn't be on it at the end of year either.

[Bleeding Purple]

If we haven't cut Frank Walker yet, we shouldn't cut Stone.

[SuggsNotDrugs]

Dude got a concussion in the game, and was only playing because of how injury depleted our team was by the 4th quarter. He literally got up and walked to the Steeler's side-line after the hit, he was that confused. You can't understand all the factors that were going into the penalty. That game was emotionally and physically draining. It was frustrating, and hard fought. He screwed up, and he screwed up BIG, but by no means did it cost us the game, and by no means was it even the biggest mistake of the game. We lost because of these factors, in order of impact:
1) Offensive play-calling. No short yardage passes, Ray Rice was non-existent after he roasted the D on a screen, Flacco was only allowed to throw if his receivers were at least 15 yards up the field, etc.....
2) Joe Flacco. Rookie mistakes. Holding the ball too long, starring down his go to guy Mason, trying to scramble against the #1 D
3) WRs drops drops drops drops
4) Stone's penalty
5) Refereeing. Willis McGahee rushed for 10 yards, and went out of bounds after he passed the marker. This was in the 2nd quarter, and would have marked our 1st 1st down of the game, yet despite the fact he went out of bounds after the marker, it was spotted 2nd and 1. The "roughing the kicker" call that almost cost us 3 pts. McGahee's fumble when he was rendered unconscious (never established possession, too busy getting asploded)
6) Harbaugh's second challenge in the first half.....why even bother? First one was genius, but the second was bogus

Oh also injuries, no bye week, all the factors add up for emotions running high, and severe pressure. Stone didn't cost us the game, there were way too many things going against us, and we didn't bother helping ourselves at all with stupid mistakes made by a handful of Ravens.

Lets just drop it and move on. Game's over, season's over. Lets look forward to a good offseason and making another run next year! Don't dwell on one play

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='144154' date='Jan 22 2009, 11:33 PM']Dude got a concussion in the game, and was only playing because of how injury depleted our team was by the 4th quarter. He literally got up and walked to the Steeler's side-line after the hit, he was that confused. You can't understand all the factors that were going into the penalty. That game was emotionally and physically draining. It was frustrating, and hard fought. He screwed up, and he screwed up BIG, but by no means did it cost us the game, and by no means was it even the biggest mistake of the game. We lost because of these factors, in order of impact:
1) Offensive play-calling. No short yardage passes, Ray Rice was non-existent after he roasted the D on a screen, Flacco was only allowed to throw if his receivers were at least 15 yards up the field, etc.....
2) Joe Flacco. Rookie mistakes. Holding the ball too long, starring down his go to guy Mason, trying to scramble against the #1 D
3) WRs drops drops drops drops
4) Stone's penalty
5) Refereeing. Willis McGahee rushed for 10 yards, and went out of bounds after he passed the marker. This was in the 2nd quarter, and would have marked our 1st 1st down of the game, yet despite the fact he went out of bounds after the marker, it was spotted 2nd and 1. The "roughing the kicker" call that almost cost us 3 pts. McGahee's fumble when he was rendered unconscious (never established possession, too busy getting asploded)
6) Harbaugh's second challenge in the first half.....why even bother? First one was genius, but the second was bogus

Oh also injuries, no bye week, all the factors add up for emotions running high, and severe pressure. Stone didn't cost us the game, there were way too many things going against us, and we didn't bother helping ourselves at all with stupid mistakes made by a handful of Ravens.

Lets just drop it and move on. Game's over, season's over. Lets look forward to a good offseason and making another run next year! Don't dwell on one play[/quote]

Exactly what I said. We can't blame one person for a [b]TEAM's[/b] Loss! It might have contributed, but it could've been prevented if we didn't make other mistakes that we made.

[jfc13]

He made a stupid mistake. He let his emotions and frustrations get the better of him. He cost us good field position and possibly a score. HOWEVER, I have noticed the Ravens doing that a lot more than I liked in years past and not so much during this year, so, either we got rid of all the "hot-heads" [which we did not] or they LEARNED. Why are we assuming that Stone can't learn, either?

It was stupid and I was pissed when he did it, but if he learns from it, I can certainly forgive it.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='144154' date='Jan 22 2009, 11:33 PM']Dude got a concussion in the game, and was only playing because of how injury depleted our team was by the 4th quarter. He literally got up and walked to the Steeler's side-line after the hit, he was that confused. You can't understand all the factors that were going into the penalty. That game was emotionally and physically draining. It was frustrating, and hard fought. He screwed up, and he screwed up BIG, but by no means did it cost us the game, and by no means was it even the biggest mistake of the game. We lost because of these factors, in order of impact:
1) Offensive play-calling. No short yardage passes, Ray Rice was non-existent after he roasted the D on a screen, Flacco was only allowed to throw if his receivers were at least 15 yards up the field, etc.....
2) Joe Flacco. Rookie mistakes. Holding the ball too long, starring down his go to guy Mason, trying to scramble against the #1 D
3) WRs drops drops drops drops
4) Stone's penalty
5) Refereeing. Willis McGahee rushed for 10 yards, and went out of bounds after he passed the marker. This was in the 2nd quarter, and would have marked our 1st 1st down of the game, yet despite the fact he went out of bounds after the marker, it was spotted 2nd and 1. The "roughing the kicker" call that almost cost us 3 pts. McGahee's fumble when he was rendered unconscious (never established possession, too busy getting asploded)
6) Harbaugh's second challenge in the first half.....why even bother? First one was genius, but the second was bogus

Oh also injuries, no bye week, all the factors add up for emotions running high, and severe pressure. Stone didn't cost us the game, there were way too many things going against us, and we didn't bother helping ourselves at all with stupid mistakes made by a handful of Ravens.

Lets just drop it and move on. Game's over, season's over. Lets look forward to a good offseason and making another run next year! Don't dwell on one play[/quote]

When you are looking for scape goat it is easy to point the finger at Stone. Talk with a little sense does not make any sense on this thread.

[RavensIQ]

Darren Stone is getting cut. He's not finding a roster spot next year. We have 17 players on injured reserved. Tell me whose spot he's taking? He was signed half way through the season (early Nov.) bcuz of injuries. He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. He's not going to be on the roster at the start of next season either.

Plz look at the 53 man roster and tell me whose spot he's taking. Not gonna be on the practice squad bcuz we're gonna have new draft picks to keep around, plus extra players from this year that have had success (DL, OL, WR)

He was a scrub that we picked up in free agency to replace Anwar Phillips when we cut him. He only contributed on special teams bcuz players like Tavarez Gooden, Brescott Burgess, and Derrek Martin were on Injured reserve. Think about it. Some no name bum, who was just floating around in free agency mid way through the year bcuz he couldn't find a home to call his own, causes the biggest penalty in Baltimore Ravens franchise history, during the AFC Championship game 30 yards away from the superbowl. Yeah, he's not coming back next year.

Is that sensible? Or am I being unreasonable?

[SIZZLE4PRESIDENT]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='144662' date='Jan 23 2009, 10:15 PM']Darren Stone is getting cut. He's not finding a roster spot next year. We have 17 players on injured reserved. Tell me whose spot he's taking? He was signed have way through the season(early Nov.) bcuz of injuries. He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. He's not going to be on the roster at the start of next season either.

Plz look at the 53 man roster and tell me whose spot he's taking. Not gonna be on the practice squad bcuz we're gonna have new draft picks to keep around, plus extra players from this year that have had success (DL, OL, WR)

He was a scrub that we picked up in free agency to replace Anwar Phillips when we cut him. He only contributed on special teams bcuz players like Tavarez Gooden, Brescott Burgess, and Derrek Martin were on Injured reserve. Think about it. Some no name bum, who was just floating around in free agency mid way through the year bcuz he couldn't find a home to call his own, causes the biggest penalty in Baltimore Ravens history, during the AFC Championship game 30 yards away from the superbowl. Yeah, he's not coming back next year.

Is that sensible? Or am I being unreasonable?[/quote]



agreed

[3Zach21]

He was our best gunner on special teams.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='144662' date='Jan 23 2009, 10:15 PM']Darren Stone is getting cut. He's not finding a roster spot next year. We have 17 players on injured reserved. Tell me whose spot he's taking? He was signed half way through the season (early Nov.) bcuz of injuries. He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. He's not going to be on the roster at the start of next season either.

Plz look at the 53 man roster and tell me whose spot he's taking. Not gonna be on the practice squad bcuz we're gonna have new draft picks to keep around, plus extra players from this year that have had success (DL, OL, WR)

He was a scrub that we picked up in free agency to replace Anwar Phillips when we cut him. He only contributed on special teams bcuz players like Tavarez Gooden, Brescott Burgess, and Derrek Martin were on Injured reserve. Think about it. Some no name bum, who was just floating around in free agency mid way through the year bcuz he couldn't find a home to call his own, causes the biggest penalty in Baltimore Ravens franchise history, during the AFC Championship game 30 yards away from the superbowl. Yeah, he's not coming back next year.

Is that sensible? Or am I being unreasonable?[/quote]


Yes, unreasonable and short sighted. Run clips of Ravens special teams play this year and #39 Darren Stone makes most of the highlight hits. He's the prototype strong safety who's tall, strong and posesses great speed. This kid's a baller with a mean streak. To cut him based on single mistake in a single game is ludicrous.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='144739' date='Jan 24 2009, 12:03 PM']Yes, unreasonable and short sighted. Run clips of Ravens special teams play this year and #39 Darren Stone makes most of the highlight hits. He's the prototype strong safety who's tall, strong and posesses great speed. This kid's a baller with a mean streak. To cut him based on single mistake in a single game is ludicrous.[/quote]

Like I said...tell me whose spot he's taking next year.

[b]From Injured Reserve:[/b]
-Brescott Burgess?
-Dawan Landry?
-Pj. Daniels?
-Dwan Edwards?
-Kelly Gregg?
-Tavaras Gooden?
-Derrek Martin?
-Quinn Sypniewski?
-Demetrius Williams?
-Marshal Yanda?

Which one of these players is going to lose their roster spot in order for the Ravens to carry a 6th safety next season? They'll all be off of IR next year, ready to go, eager to come back. Which one is gonna receive the sad news that they've just been released in order for the Ravens to keep Daren Stone around 1 more season bcuz he's just such a great gunner?

Feel free to go down the current 53 man roster and check off potential players that won't be here next year. Then make sure you save at least 3 spots for our draft picks and maybe 1-2 for free agents that we pick up in the offseason and make sure you add/subtract players that will be returning from IR.

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster.aspx"]Baltimore Ravens current 53 man roster[/url]

He'll be back for camp sure, but on cut day when they have to decide who they want to keep around and who they don't, and it comes down to a 50/50 split between Daren Stone and some other tall, fast, strong, mean spirited player, you're telling me the AFC Championship penalty won't be brought up at all and that it won't be apart of the final decision?

[MKdave]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='144754' date='Jan 24 2009, 06:00 PM']Like I said...tell me whose spot he's taking next year.

[b]From Injured Reserve:[/b]
-Brescott Burgess?
-Dawan Landry?
-Pj. Daniels?
-Dwan Edwards?
-Kelly Gregg?
-Tavaras Gooden?
-Derrek Martin?
-Quinn Sypniewski?
-Demetrius Williams?
-Marshal Yanda?

Which one of these players is going to lose their roster spot in order for the Ravens to carry a 6th safety next season? They'll all be off of IR next year, ready to go, eager to come back. Which one is gonna receive the sad news that they've just been released in order for the Ravens to keep Daren Stone around 1 more season bcuz he's just such a great gunner?

Feel free to go down the current 53 man roster and check off potential players that won't be here next year. Then make sure you save at least 3 spots for our draft picks and maybe 1-2 for free agents that we pick up in the offseason and make sure you add/subtract players that will be returning from IR.

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster.aspx"]Baltimore Ravens current 53 man roster[/url]

He'll be back for camp sure, but on cut day when they have to decide who they want to keep around and who they don't, and it comes down to a 50/50 split between Daren Stone and some other tall, fast, strong, mean spirited player, you're telling me the AFC Championship penalty won't be brought up at all and that it won't be apart of the final decision?[/quote]
The chances are there'll be plenty more guys back on IR next year, and he's more valuable to the team than Burgess, Daniels and arguably Martin.

And the penalty probably will come up, but then they'll remember the countless downings inside the 10 (a facet in which we led the league).

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='144754' date='Jan 24 2009, 01:00 PM']Like I said...tell me whose spot he's taking next year.

[b]From Injured Reserve:[/b]
-Brescott Burgess?
-Dawan Landry?
-Pj. Daniels?
-Dwan Edwards?
-Kelly Gregg?
-Tavaras Gooden?
-Derrek Martin?
-Quinn Sypniewski?
-Demetrius Williams?
-Marshal Yanda?

Which one of these players is going to lose their roster spot in order for the Ravens to carry a 6th safety next season? They'll all be off of IR next year, ready to go, eager to come back. Which one is gonna receive the sad news that they've just been released in order for the Ravens to keep Daren Stone around 1 more season bcuz he's just such a great gunner?

Feel free to go down the current 53 man roster and check off potential players that won't be here next year. Then make sure you save at least 3 spots for our draft picks and maybe 1-2 for free agents that we pick up in the offseason and make sure you add/subtract players that will be returning from IR.

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster.aspx"]Baltimore Ravens current 53 man roster[/url]

He'll be back for camp sure, but on cut day when they have to decide who they want to keep around and who they don't, and it comes down to a 50/50 split between Daren Stone and some other tall, fast, strong, mean spirited player, you're telling me the AFC Championship penalty won't be brought up at all and that it won't be apart of the final decision?[/quote]
Again short sighted as noted by your shortened list of players on IR. Notable omissions are Justin Harper, Marcus Maxwell, Chris McAllister, Scott Kuhn, Kyle Boller, Bryan Mattison, Joe Reitz, Lamar Divens and Kelly Talavou. Include Tom Zbikowski from the active list and it's a pick 'em situation.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='144763' date='Jan 24 2009, 01:33 PM']Again short sighted as noted by your shortened list of players on IR. Notable omissions are Justin Harper, Marcus Maxwell, Chris McAllister, Scott Kuhn, Kyle Boller, Bryan Mattison, Joe Reitz, Lamar Divens and Kelly Talavou. Include Tom Zbikowski from the active list and it's a pick 'em situation.[/quote]


LOL
There are 19 players on IR.
There are 8-9 players on the practice squad.
There are 53 players on the roster.
That's 80 players in total.

We can only keep 53 men on the active roster come 1st game of the regular season.

So the other 27 players will either be cut or moved to the 8 man practice squad.

The 10 players I gave you were players that will definitely be back on the active roster once they return from IR next year. Which means of the current 53 man roster at least 10 players will lose their spot. [b]AT LEAST[/b] 10. (Remember there are 19 players on IR) Now at least 3-4 additional players will lose their roster spots to our new draft picks.[b] AT LEAST[/b] 3 (remember as of now we have 7 draft picks). At least another 2-3 players will lose their roster spot to free agents that we acquired in the off season.

So lets review. [b]At LEAST[/b] 3-4 draft picks, [b]AT LEAST [/b]2-3 Free Agents, [b]AT LEAST[/b] 10 players from IR, that's 15-17 roster spots that will be different next year on the 53 man active roster.

Are you following me so far? Here let me break it down ever further. I'll even give you a visual reference. Lets look at the worst possible scenario for players not returning. The players with the line through their names will be the players who won't be around next year. Beside their name will be the person who takes their spot.

1. Anderson, Willie
2. Ayanbadejo, Brendon
3. Bannan, Justin
4. Barnes, Antwan
5. [s]Bouman, Todd [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 1[/b]
6. Brown, Jason
7. Chester, Chris
8. Clayton, Mark
9. [s]Copper, Terrance[/s]..........[b]Demetrius Williams (return from IR)[/b]
10. Cousins, Oniel
11. [s]Douglas, Marques [/s]..........[b]Kelly Gregg (return from IR)[/b]
12. [s]Figurs, Yamon[/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 2[/b]
13. Flacco, Joe
14. Gaither, Jared
15. Greisen, Nick
16. Grubbs, Ben
17. [s]Hale, David[/s]..........[b]Marshal Yanda (return from IR)[/b]
18. Hauschka, Steve
19. Heap, Todd
20. [s]Ivy, Corey [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 3[/b]
21. Johnson, Jarret
22. [s]Jones, Edgar[/s]..........[b]Prescot Burgess (return from IR)[/b]
23. Katula, Matt
24. Koch, Sam
25. [s]Leonhard, Jim [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 4[/b]
26. Lewis, Ray
27. Mason, Derrick
28. McClain, Jameel
29. McClain, Le'Ron
30. [s]McCune, Robert [/s]..........[b]Tavaras Gooden (return from IR)[/b]
31. McGahee, Willis
32. [s]McKinney, Brandon [/s]..........[b]Dwan Edwards (return from IR)[/b]
33. Nakamura, Haruki
34. Neal, Lorenzo
35. Ngata, Haloti
36. [s]Oglesby, Evan[/s]..........[b]Derrek Martin (return from IR)[/b]
37. [s]Parmele, Jalen [/s]..........[b]P.J. Daniels (return from IR)[/b]
38. Pryce, Trevor
39. Reed, Ed
40. Rice, Ray
41. [s]Rolle, Samari [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 1[/b]
42. [s]Scott, Bart [/s]
43. [s]Slaughter, Chad [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 2[/b]
44. Smith, Marcus
45. Smith, Troy
46. [s]Stone, Daren[/s]..........[b]Dawan Landry (return from IR)[/b]
47. Stover, Matt
48. [s]Suggs, Terrell [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 3[/b]
49. Terry, Adam
50. Walker, Frank
51. Washington, Fabian
52. [s]Wilcox, Daniel [/s]..........[b]Quinn Sypniewski (return from IR)[/b]
53. Zbikowski, Tom


Suggs, Scott, Rolle, McAlister and Figurs all cut in this scenario to find extra roster spots and still not 1 opening for ya boy Daren Stone. I only mentioned 4 of the 7 draft picks in this scenario in order to find extra roster spots and still not 1 opening for ya boy Daren Stone. Not to mention players that we'll bring into camp to workout that we might keep around, and the extra players that filled in for us in critical situations from this year that we might keep around (chad slaughter, Marques Douglas, Brandon McKinney).

Short sighted? I think not my friend. Say goodbye to the guy who cost us a chance at winning the AFC Championship. Kinda makes you angry that a player of such insignificance potentially knocked us out of the superbowl, doesn't it?,

[rastaman831226]

Even more short sighted. Your whole premise is based on a falsehood. You, unfortunately, are of the assumption that all players coming back from IR are guaranteed roster spots. I can assure you that is not the case, Deirrck Martin, and P.J. Daniels and a few others are most certainly on the bubble. Give up, you'll never come close to winning this little argument. You see there's this thing in football called camp where the weeding out process takes place and there are plenty of roster spots to be had.

[X-Factor]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='145144' date='Jan 25 2009, 05:58 PM']Even more short sighted. Your whole premise is based on a falsehood. You, unfortunately, are of the assumption that all players coming back from IR are guaranteed roster spots. I can assure you that is not the case, Deirrck Martin, and P.J. Daniels and a few others are most certainly on the bubble. Give up, you'll never come close to winning this little argument. You see there's this thing in football called camp where the weeding out process takes place and there are plenty of roster spots to be had.[/quote]

There is a reason Stone was available mid-season. Stellar players are not usually available in November, he came in to fill a spot due to injuries, no other reason. There is no way he makes the roster over Martin. Martin proved himself in camp and the pre-season and was one of the top players on ST. There is no way they go with Stone over Martin. That many safties are not needed on the roster. The fact that Stone made a tremendously undisciplined boneheaded move at a key time in the AFC Championship game will not help his chances on making the 2009 53 man roster. Martin will be a RFA and I guarantee he will be tendered for the year. I'm not saying Stone doesnt stand a chance, but I think it's very slim that he will be around next season.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='145144' date='Jan 25 2009, 05:58 PM']Even more short sighted. Your whole premise is based on a falsehood. You, unfortunately, are of the assumption that all players coming back from IR are guaranteed roster spots. I can assure you that is not the case, Deirrck Martin, and P.J. Daniels and a few others are most certainly on the bubble. Give up, you'll never come close to winning this little argument. You see there's this thing in football called camp where the weeding out process takes place and there are plenty of roster spots to be had.[/quote]

Plz... The entire point of my short sighted premise is that there are more important players to worry about b4 reconsidering bringing back Daren Stone next year. You said my opinion was short sighted and unreasonable yet I looked into the future and gave you 53 reasons as to why Daren Stone will be released. Why are you even defending this guy like he has starter potential. The only reason he's on our team is bcuz we had 19 players on IR and our secondary became depleted half way through the season. You just don't want to admit that ya boy Stone won't make it past opening day as a Baltimore Raven. Your point got smashed and my point was elevated because it's more logical. And you, unfortunately, are of the assumption that Daren Stone is worthy/guaranteed of being on the Baltimore Ravens for a second season.

When he's released you can bring this thread back up and apologize. But just in case you forget, I accept your apology in advance. You're Welcome.

[RoflDogs]

O_O
You guys are still talking about this?
I think it is time to move on

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='145158' date='Jan 25 2009, 06:46 PM']Plz... The entire point of my short sighted premise is that there are more important players to worry about b4 reconsidering bringing back Daren Stone next year. You said my opinion was short sighted and unreasonable yet I looked into the future and gave you 53 reasons as to why Daren Stone will be released. Why are you even defending this guy like he has starter potential. The only reason he's on our team is bcuz we had 19 players on IR and our secondary became depleted half way through the season. You just don't want to admit that ya boy Stone won't make it past opening day as a Baltimore Raven. Your point got smashed and my point was elevated because it's more logical. And you, unfortunately, are of the assumption that Daren Stone is worthy/guaranteed of being on the Baltimore Ravens for a second season.

When he's released you can bring this thread back up and apologize. But just in case you forget, I accept your apology in advance. You're Welcome.[/quote]


This is not an emotional issue, it's a football issue and I see more drama than reasoning in your statement. Let's say the Ravens decide on a final active roster that goes counter to what you've assigned them. Let's say someone like Tom Zbikowski gets cut because of the glut at safety and Nakamura has passed him on the depth chart while Stone's size, speed and athleticism is more valued as the gunner on special teams? Would you then be open to discusson and resetting the set lineup for next year's Ravens?

[SuggsNotDrugs]

You can argue technicalities and future possibilities, but the question was meant to be taken at face value. Would you cut him for that penalty? That's it. No roster spot issues, no hypotheticals, just take it at face value. Is the one penalty worth cutting him over, period.

the answer is no. he was great on ST for us, end of discussion

[Corvus]

In any case, I doubt he will be back next year anyway with the safeties that are already on our roster (Ed, Nakamura, Zbikowski) and other likely returning (Landry and/or Leonhard).

[Corvus]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='144782' date='Jan 24 2009, 02:37 PM']LOL
There are 19 players on IR.
There are 8-9 players on the practice squad.
There are 53 players on the roster.
That's 80 players in total.

We can only keep 53 men on the active roster come 1st game of the regular season.

So the other 27 players will either be cut or moved to the 8 man practice squad.

The 10 players I gave you were players that will definitely be back on the active roster once they return from IR next year. Which means of the current 53 man roster at least 10 players will lose their spot. [b]AT LEAST[/b] 10. (Remember there are 19 players on IR) Now at least 3-4 additional players will lose their roster spots to our new draft picks.[b] AT LEAST[/b] 3 (remember as of now we have 7 draft picks). At least another 2-3 players will lose their roster spot to free agents that we acquired in the off season.

So lets review. [b]At LEAST[/b] 3-4 draft picks, [b]AT LEAST [/b]2-3 Free Agents, [b]AT LEAST[/b] 10 players from IR, that's 15-17 roster spots that will be different next year on the 53 man active roster.

Are you following me so far? Here let me break it down ever further. I'll even give you a visual reference. Lets look at the worst possible scenario for players not returning. The players with the line through their names will be the players who won't be around next year. Beside their name will be the person who takes their spot.

1. Anderson, Willie
2. Ayanbadejo, Brendon
3. Bannan, Justin
4. Barnes, Antwan
5. [s]Bouman, Todd [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 1[/b]
6. Brown, Jason
7. Chester, Chris
8. Clayton, Mark
9. [s]Copper, Terrance[/s]..........[b]Demetrius Williams (return from IR)[/b]
10. Cousins, Oniel
11. [s]Douglas, Marques [/s]..........[b]Kelly Gregg (return from IR)[/b]
12. [s]Figurs, Yamon[/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 2[/b]
13. Flacco, Joe
14. Gaither, Jared
15. Greisen, Nick
16. Grubbs, Ben
17. [s]Hale, David[/s]..........[b]Marshal Yanda (return from IR)[/b]
18. Hauschka, Steve
19. Heap, Todd
20. [s]Ivy, Corey [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 3[/b]
21. Johnson, Jarret
22. [s]Jones, Edgar[/s]..........[b]Prescot Burgess (return from IR)[/b]
23. Katula, Matt
24. Koch, Sam
25. [s]Leonhard, Jim [/s]..........[b]Draft Pick 4[/b]
26. Lewis, Ray
27. Mason, Derrick
28. McClain, Jameel
29. McClain, Le'Ron
30. [s]McCune, Robert [/s]..........[b]Tavaras Gooden (return from IR)[/b]
31. McGahee, Willis
32. [s]McKinney, Brandon [/s]..........[b]Dwan Edwards (return from IR)[/b]
33. Nakamura, Haruki
34. Neal, Lorenzo
35. Ngata, Haloti
36. [s]Oglesby, Evan[/s]..........[b]Derrek Martin (return from IR)[/b]
37. [s]Parmele, Jalen [/s]..........[b]P.J. Daniels (return from IR)[/b]
38. Pryce, Trevor
39. Reed, Ed
40. Rice, Ray
41. [s]Rolle, Samari [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 1[/b]
42. [s]Scott, Bart [/s]
43. [s]Slaughter, Chad [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 2[/b]
44. Smith, Marcus
45. Smith, Troy
46. [s]Stone, Daren[/s]..........[b]Dawan Landry (return from IR)[/b]
47. Stover, Matt
48. [s]Suggs, Terrell [/s]..........[b]Free Agent 3[/b]
49. Terry, Adam
50. Walker, Frank
51. Washington, Fabian
52. [s]Wilcox, Daniel [/s]..........[b]Quinn Sypniewski (return from IR)[/b]
53. Zbikowski, Tom


Suggs, Scott, Rolle, McAlister and Figurs all cut in this scenario to find extra roster spots and still not 1 opening for ya boy Daren Stone. I only mentioned 4 of the 7 draft picks in this scenario in order to find extra roster spots and still not 1 opening for ya boy Daren Stone. Not to mention players that we'll bring into camp to workout that we might keep around, and the extra players that filled in for us in critical situations from this year that we might keep around (chad slaughter, Marques Douglas, Brandon McKinney).

Short sighted? I think not my friend. Say goodbye to the guy who cost us a chance at winning the AFC Championship. Kinda makes you angry that a player of such insignificance potentially knocked us out of the superbowl, doesn't it?,[/quote]

So Marques Douglas, who we traded a draft pick for and is an experienced vet, had a solid year for us, and also has previous history with Baltimore is going to get cut?

And Prescott Burgess who has been healthy for 1/4 of a season of his two NFL seasons is gonna replace Edgar Jones who has proven to be a valuable special teams player and versatile backup?

And P.J. Daniels is actually gonna be healthy by september of next year to make the 53 man roster?

Interesting....

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Corvus' post='145239' date='Jan 26 2009, 12:08 AM']So Marques Douglas, who we traded a draft pick for and is an experienced vet, had a solid year for us, and also has previous history with Baltimore is going to get cut?

And Prescott Burgess who has been healthy for 1/4 of a season of his two NFL seasons is gonna replace Edgar Jones who has proven to be a valuable special teams player and versatile backup?

And P.J. Daniels is actually gonna be healthy by september of next year to make the 53 man roster?

Interesting....[/quote]

Considering Kelly Gregg and Dwan Edwards are coming back, yes, Marques Douglas will be let go. We have to many needs going into next season to keep 6 DL on the active roster.

Ngata, Bannan, Gregg, Edwards. Those are the main guys. Marques Douglas is the odd man out. He might get carried on the practice squad; even then another team would most likely pick him up, but the only reason we acquired for him was bcuz Gregg went down bcuz he didnt recovery from surgery properly and Edwards got injured in camp. Why else do you think we went after him and kept McKinney around? Plus we already have Kelly Tavalou and Salomon Solano in the works, grooming them to become studs.

That's 8 DT in total. Edwards is 27, Tavalou is 24, McKinney is 25 and Salomon is 23.

Douglas is 31.

Edgar Jones was on the chopping block when cuts were made. Heap was injured, Sypniewski was put on IR, Wilcox was still recovering from his foot surgery and we were pressed for TEs. If you recall it came down to Jones and that QB that we tried converting into TE. But Edgar had more upside bcuz he could play 2 positions so we kept him and cut the other guy. Next year if Quinn, Heap and Wilcox are healthy then Jones would only serve as an OLB and we already have enough LBs. His only shot at remaining on the team would be to play ST. With new draft picks coming in fighting to stay on the team ST is gonna be their only chance and if there is a player that really catches the eye of our coaching staff then there is no need for Jones. No purpose in carrying him. Just bcuz he's a good ST player doesnt mean anything. We let Gary Stills go and he was a ST Pro Bowler. And the only reason he has had any success on ST is bcuz Tavaras Gooden was injured. If he was healthy we wouldn't even be talking about Jones right now.

Burgess is an incredibly smart cerebral LB. He may not be the fastest backer in the league but he makes up for it in smart decision making. If it came down to him and Jones well Burgess would win.

And about PJ daniels, I like to be optimistic about the guy. He's a really good back and he has a ton of speed plus excellent hands. If he's healthy I don't see the Ravens letting him go. He'll at least be an excellent practice back. Jalen Parmele is an interesting prospect but PJ Daniels IMO has the most upside between the 2.

So...

Yeah, interesting...

[Ravnet]

Why would Bouman be cut? We don't have a legitimate third option when Boller leaves, Todd comes cheap, and he was essentially best friends with Flacco, which means that he probably provided a ton of insight. The guy knows that his NFL career is basically over, so he helped Joe while collecting a tiny paycheck, why would you get rid of him?

You have Suggs AND Scott AND Leonhard leaving? What, is Ozzie just not going to try? If Suggs alone leaves, we'll have enough money to bring back Ray, Scott, and one, if not both, of Leo/Landry.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='145266' date='Jan 26 2009, 02:54 AM']Why would Bouman be cut? We don't have a legitimate third option when Boller leaves, Todd comes cheap, and he was essentially best friends with Flacco, which means that he probably provided a ton of insight. The guy knows that his NFL career is basically over, so he helped Joe while collecting a tiny paycheck, why would you get rid of him?[/quote]

Think about it. Most teams don't carry 3 qbs on their roster. The only reason we did this year was bcuz of all the injuries and bcuz Joe Flacco was a rookie. Todd Boumon isn't really that important. You may think he was some kinda mentor to Joe Flacco giving him all sorts of advice but what kind of advice can a career back up give to a career starter? What experience does he have? Sure he can show him the ropes but that's about it bcuz other than that he's never been in the ring b4. Hue Jackson was the reason Flacco had a great season. Not Boumon. Plus why waste a roster spot on a 3rd qb when it could be used to keep a 5th safety (jim leonhard)?

[quote]You have Suggs AND Scott AND Leonhard leaving? What, is Ozzie just not going to try? If Suggs alone leaves, we'll have enough money to bring back Ray, Scott, and one, if not both, of Leo/Landry.[/quote]
Yeah, I was using that as a worst case scenario. Showing that even if we got rid of all the players who potentially willnot be here next year, that we still wouldnt have a roster spot available for Stone. Chances are Ozzie will sign at least 3 of the 4 (brown, lewis, scott, suggs) so that would mean there would be at least 3 less roster spots available for Daren Stone. Just proving my point even more.