Darren Stone

[PIG 20]

[quote name='12th man' post='140791' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:52 PM']Look other payers have made stupid mistakes, look at Jared Johnson remember the late hit on hines ward in the other steelers game that gave them a score. If you use the logic that these kinda penelities should kick that person out then jared Johnson would be gone and there are others I'm sure.[/quote]

Jared Johnson took the place of Adalius Thomas. Don't compare Stone to Johnson. What Johnson did was totally stupid too but you are supposed to learn from the mistakes as the season goes on. Obviously Stone didn't get the memo.

If Stone were a legitimate starter the Ravens wouldn't have been playing two rookies on the first team defense.

[MKdave]

[quote name='PIG 20' post='140831' date='Jan 19 2009, 07:09 PM']Jared Johnson took the place of Adalius Thomas. Don't compare Stone to Johnson. What Johnson did was totally stupid too but you are supposed to learn from the mistakes as the season goes on. Obviously Stone didn't get the memo.

If Stone were a legitimate starter the Ravens wouldn't have been playing two rookies on the first team defense.[/quote]

What mistake did Stone make all season?

[12th man]

Your comment makes no sence, Johnson is a starter and he should have never made that mistake he knows better that mistake cost us the game also and he's a starter, all i was saying is a player are to be treated the same if johnson doesn't get fined or fired for his stupid mistake than neither should stone.Starters should now better than second-third string.Stone should be looked at his body of work not just one play.

[flynismo]

Don't cut him.
Have Ray Ray take him out behind the shed, knock a little sense into him, and then get ready to bring the trophy home next season.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='140314' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:53 AM']Don't cut a player for one play. Hes had an excellent year on special teams, especially in the punt coverage aspect of it. IF youre gunna cut him cut him for his lack of being anything but a ST guy, but not for the play.[/quote]
Your right dont cut a player for one play but the fact is that he is not that good anyway

[12th man]

There ya go!!! Good solution I'm sure he wouldn't forget next time.

[PIG 20]

[quote name='12th man' post='140879' date='Jan 19 2009, 02:25 PM']Your comment makes no sence, Johnson is a starter and he should have never made that mistake he knows better that mistake cost us the game also and he's a starter, all i was saying is a player are to be treated the same if johnson doesn't get fined or fired for his stupid mistake than neither should stone.Starters should now better than second-third string.Stone should be looked at his body of work not just one play.[/quote]

Yeah, downing a few punts inside the 10 and then costing the team a huge amount of yards and a shot at winning the AFC championship was a great body of work.

Cut him.

[MKdave]

[quote name='PIG 20' post='141051' date='Jan 19 2009, 08:42 PM']Yeah, downing a few punts inside the 10 and then costing the team a huge amount of yards and a shot at winning the AFC championship was a great body of work.

Cut him.[/quote]

Why is everyone so quick to pass over his prowess at downing punts? Sam Kock led the league in punts inside the 10, and Stone is reason #1 for that.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141059' date='Jan 19 2009, 03:47 PM']Why is everyone so quick to pass over his prowess at downing punts? Sam Kock led the league in punts inside the 10, and Stone is reason #1 for that.[/quote]

Don't forget he put the opposing offense deep in there own territory which helped out our defense a bunch.

[FlaccoFan83]

Maybe Stone lost his mind because of the concussion earlier in the game.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='141061' date='Jan 19 2009, 08:50 PM']Don't forget he put the opposing offense deep in there own territory which helped out our defense a bunch.[/quote]

And got us 2 safeties.

[jackb6]

Stone is a young player who got caught up in the intense moment. The coach's should crush him for this all off season but keep him. He has been great on special teams all year, and I don't recall anything else like this from him in the past?

[PuRock]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141065' date='Jan 19 2009, 03:52 PM']And got us 2 safeties.[/quote]

Dave what's the deal with your man crush on Stone?

[MKdave]

[quote name='PuRock' post='141096' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:09 PM']Dave what's the deal with your man crush on Stone?[/quote]

It's not that I have a man crush on Stone it's just that I can't believe people are wanting to see him cut after one bad decision, and refusing to acknowledge that he's been really good this year.

[Ed_Reed20]

The main question was whether Stone should get cut because of his mistake. I don't think so. If he is cut, it's because the team has enough quality depth at the safety position.

[PuRock]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141104' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:12 PM']It's not that I have a man crush on Stone it's just that I can't believe people are wanting to see him cut after one bad decision, and refusing to acknowledge that he's been really good this year.[/quote]

I agree. I'm a little fueled over his penalty. And for a special teamer? he should know better. Special teamers need to work hard just to make teams.

But with all that being said, he is a damn good special teamer.

FYI, I think I wanted to get rid of Jarrett after that first Steeler game. But that passed pretty quick.

[Ravnet]

I can't believe this is even close, Stone shouldn't have been given a bus ride home...

You cannot let something like that stand, it's simply inexcusable and Harbs has to send a damn message.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141104' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:12 PM']It's not that I have a man crush on Stone it's just that I can't believe people are wanting to see him cut after one bad decision, and refusing to acknowledge that he's been really good this year.[/quote]

The point is that Stone is a special team player, meaning that he is automatically expendable. You can't let a player cost you a playoff game, and then allow him to come back; a message needs to be sent that the Ravens will not tolerate that kind of stuff, and there are serious repercussions if you commit those mistakes.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='141130' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:37 PM']I can't believe this is even close, Stone shouldn't have been given a bus ride home...

You cannot let something like that stand, it's simply inexcusable and Harbs has to send a damn message.[/quote]
And what message is that?
Bust your *** all year to make thankless plays on special teams, but the second you make a mistake we'll turn our back on you?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141136' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:41 PM']And what message is that?
Bust your *** all year to make thankless plays on special teams, but the second you make a mistake we'll turn our back on you?[/quote]

The message is that there is no tomorrow unless you control yourself, and if you cannot manage to do that, then there are grave consequences. Everyone is expendable, so don't screw up.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='141144' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:50 PM']The message is that there is no tomorrow unless you control yourself, and if you cannot manage to do that, then there are grave consequences. Everyone is expendable, so don't screw up.[/quote]

... unless you were a draft pick.

[PuRock]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141136' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:41 PM']And what message is that?
Bust your *** all year to make thankless plays on special teams, but the second you make a mistake we'll turn our back on you?[/quote]


[quote name='Ravnet' post='141144' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:50 PM']The message is that there is no tomorrow unless you control yourself, and if you cannot manage to do that, then there are grave consequences. Everyone is expendable, so don't screw up.[/quote]

In terms of a special teams player, I tend to prefer Ravnet's implied message better. It's one thing, if it's Scott or Johnson, its another if its a special teams player. Once again, Stone was one of our , if not, best special teams player.

But like I said earlier, my feelings are probably out of frustration.

[nevermore621]

If it is true it was a HUGE mistake...he was a standout special teamer and could have doubled in the defensive secondary...

But maybe we don't see the bigger picture...I only hope so.

[MKdave]

[quote name='PuRock' post='141151' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:54 PM']In terms of a special teams player, I tend to prefer Ravnet's implied message better. It's one thing, if it's Scott or Johnson, its another if its a special teams player.[/quote]
But I don't see why costing our team yards at key times in a game is excusable if you're Johnson or Scott but not if you're Stone.

For the record, I actually thought the Scott thing was taken way out of proportion. We had no chance realistically in that game anyway, and his frustration was understandable. He shouldn't have showed it like that, but still. The Johnson one I think was more comparable with the Stone incident.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='MKdave' post='141154' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:58 PM']But I don't see why costing our team yards at key times in a game is excusable if you're Johnson or Scott but not if you're Stone.

For the record, I actually thought the Scott thing was taken way out of proportion. We had no chance realistically in that game anyway, and his frustration was understandable. He shouldn't have showed it like that, but still. The Johnson one I think was more comparable with the Stone incident.[/quote]

As romantic as it is to think that all players should be treated equally, it just doesn't work that way. If you're a special teams player and you screw up, the grave consequences entail losing your spot on the team; if you're an expensive, starting position player, then the consequences involve a reduction playing time or a fine. Regardless, you can't show weakness or this could become habitual.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='141185' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:20 PM']As romantic as it is to think that all players should be treated equally, it just doesn't work that way. If you're a special teams player and you screw up, the grave consequences entail losing your spot on the team; if you're an expensive, starting position player, then the consequences involve a reduction playing time or a fine. Regardless, you can't show weakness or this could become habitual.[/quote]

I know that's how it is, but I don't think that makes it right.
Most of our starters on 'D' or 'O' couldn't play special teams to anywhere near the level of some of our special teamers. And as I have already stated, ST is 1/3 of the game. So why the huge disparity in leash-length?

[Zappa66]

The play by Darren Stone was at least 10 feet out of bounds. To do something that stupid and selfish means you have no regard for the sacrifices your teammates have made all season. He should be fired, end of story.

[the_PICKle]

Stone didn't cost the game. It's one play, and while it was a huge one it doesn't take away his outstanding special teams play all the year long. Give the kid a break, he just got caught up in he biggest game of his life. I am sure he will never make that mistake again. When Bart Scott when on his rant against NE last season did you want to cut him right after?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='the_PICKle' post='142746' date='Jan 20 2009, 10:14 PM']Stone didn't cost the game. It's one play, and while it was a huge one it doesn't take away his outstanding special teams play all the year long. Give the kid a break, he just got caught up in he biggest game of his life. I am sure he will never make that mistake again. When Bart Scott when on his rant against NE last season did you want to cut him right after?[/quote]

Stone had time to consider the implications of his actions, yet he followed through with his absolutely mind numbingly stupid decision. We would've had the ball on the 40, and in the end, Flacco and co. had to begin deep inside their own territory.

[BloodRaven]

Get him outta here. Any big safety can be a special teams gunner, and we could do with one who wont brain asplode in crucial games.