Darren Stone

[Ed_Reed20]

The question everyone needs to ask themselves is if Flacco leads the team down the field, scores and the team wins, would we still be talking about Stone's bonehead play?

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140597' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:57 PM']It IS selfish. Why am i even still arguing with you, it's obvious that you're on his payroll.

And special teams is 1/3 of the game. Stone is not. He's just another guy. You act like replacing him would be like replacing Ray on defense. He's just another guy. Barnes is a better special teamer. McClain is. Zibby is. Nakamura is. Marcus Smith is. Ayanbadejo is. We already have too much depth at safety, Stone is a goner.[/quote]

Selfish would imply their was some personal gain was to be had. Show it to me.

And no, none of those guys are as good as Stone, with the exception of Ayanbadejo, but Stone has been better this year.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140607' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:02 PM']Selfish would imply their was some personal gain was to be had. Show it to me.

And no, none of those guys are as good as Stone, with the exception of Ayanbadejo, but Stone has been better this year.[/quote]
1) His personal gain was obviously to throw the other guy out of bounds, to retaliate or whatever his goal was. That was his "personal gain". He was frustrated and he snapped. He didn't care about the team. He didn't care about the fact that he put the entire team in a bad spot. That's selfish.

2) Based on what? What are you basing this on? Stone had ONE assisted (not even solo) special teams tackle in the post season. He had 3 (!) total tackles in the regular season. Zibby lead our team with 15 by the way. Ayanbadejo had 13. Barnes who missed most of the season had 9 total tackles.

[codizzle]

yea umm dont know where ur going with the whole stone is irreplaceable on special teams... dont know what games uve been watching....

im not saying cut him but as the dude said that was at the game. that play completely changed the game ... we went from the 40 to our own 14 yard line... momentum completed shifted.

he was looking for payback. completely selfish. stop trying to defend a decent career special teamer that only has speed.

[tweety]

Stone's punt coverage has been excellent. Forcing fair catches and assisting in keeping the ball from the touchback, giving opposing offense less room in the backfield to work with.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140632' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:20 PM']2) Based on what? What are you basing this on? Stone had ONE assisted (not even solo) special teams tackle in the post season. He had 3 (!) total tackles in the regular season. Zibby lead our team with 15 by the way. Ayanbadejo had 13. Barnes who missed most of the season had 9 total tackles.[/quote]

It's not all about tackles when playing special teams. Stone downed a number of punts within the 10 and was probably forced a number of fair catches. To me, he was the best special teamer besides Ayanbadejo.

[ravensfan160]

We have a ton of safety's on the roster. That said, if we need to free up a roster spot then I say we cut Stone before we cut/don't resign Leonard or Landry. You figure next season in terms of safeties we will have the two rookies, Landry, and hopefully Leonard. Thats five safeties. So the odd man out would be Stone anyway not even factoring in his boneheaded penalty.

[tweety]

Stone is listed as a Safety you need to forget the fact that in college he played safety. In the NFL he specializes in special teams. I don't care if we have 52 players listed as Safety as long as the play their role. It just so happens he made a bad decision that assisted in our loss to the Steelers.

[Ed_Reed20]

I agree. His special teams play has been outstanding but the team has five capable safeties on the roster. If they keep him, it will be a plus for the special teams but if he is cut, it won't be a huge loss. I could see Nakamura playing a similar role.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140632' date='Jan 19 2009, 05:20 PM']1) His personal gain was obviously to throw the other guy out of bounds, to retaliate or whatever his goal was. That was his "personal gain". He was frustrated and he snapped. He didn't care about the team. He didn't care about the fact that he put the entire team in a bad spot. That's selfish.

2) Based on what? What are you basing this on? Stone had ONE assisted (not even solo) special teams tackle in the post season. He had 3 (!) total tackles in the regular season. Zibby lead our team with 15 by the way. Ayanbadejo had 13. Barnes who missed most of the season had 9 total tackles.[/quote]

1)And you know a man's motives because you are...

2) As it has been said, Special teams isn't all about tackles, by the same token as playing cornerback isn't all about tackles.

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='140653' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:35 PM']It's not all about tackles when playing special teams. Stone downed a number of punts within the 10 and was probably forced a number of fair catches. To me, he was the best special teamer besides Ayanbadejo.[/quote]

Well then maybe his next team will be lucky to have him.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='140653' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:35 PM']It's not all about tackles when playing special teams. Stone downed a number of punts within the 10 and was probably forced a number of fair catches. To me, he was the best special teamer besides Ayanbadejo.[/quote]
Nice. I think he's right up there with the ball boys and the fans in terms of impact to our football team with that type of role.

[Ed_Reed20]

I'm not saying he had a gigantic impact on the team's success but he did play well and was one of the better special team players.

[PuRock]

There are a million people that are trying to make it on special teams. If stone couldn't control himself like that during a big game, he's gotta go.

I understand more if it was someone like Jarrett Johnson or Bart Scott. But somebody on special teams is trying to stay on the team, they need to make cases for themselves. This was a case against him. That was a crucial bad penalty.

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140671' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:55 PM']Nice. I think he's right up there with the ball boys and the fans in terms of impact to our football team with that type of role.[/quote]

lol! I agree! Wow, he ran down the field and caught a ball inside the 10 yard line a couple of times. But then when it mattered most, he blew it.

Bye bye! We don't have room for that here.

[codizzle]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140669' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:54 AM']2) As it has been said, Special teams isn't all about tackles, by the same token as playing cornerback isn't all about tackles.[/quote]
im pretty sure steelers (and we showed by lack thereof) showed that secondary tackling is pretty important

[rastaman831226]

This is one pretty stupid thread. Getting rid of Darren Stone? That's ridiculous, this kid's got more upside than the Ravens' highly touted draftees at safety. He's big, he's fast, he hits hard and he's got a mean streak a mile long. He's all the things a Ravens' Safety should be.

[codizzle]

[quote name='rastaman831226' post='140723' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:23 PM']This is one pretty stupid thread. Getting rid of Darren Stone? That's ridiculous, this kid's got more upside than the Ravens' highly touted draftees at safety. He's big, he's fast, he hits hard and he's got a mean streak a mile long. He's all the things a Ravens' Safety should be.[/quote]
by safties u mean jim leonard dawan landry and zibby???????

i would nominate this for worst post of the season. stupidest statement ive heard in a long time.

i cant even explain how stupid that post just was

[PIG 20]

[quote name='codizzle' post='140726' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:25 PM']by safties u mean jim leonard dawan landry and zibby???????

i would nominate this for worst post of the season. stupidest statement ive heard in a long time.

i cant even explain how stupid that post just was[/quote]

Yeah, its amazing how many times I saw Stone playing over Leonhard, Zibby, Oglesby, and Nokomura.

I guess the Ravens are just saving Stone for later!

[MKdave]

[quote name='codizzle' post='140726' date='Jan 19 2009, 06:25 PM']by safties u mean jim leonard dawan landry and zibby???????

i would nominate this for worst post of the season. stupidest statement ive heard in a long time.

i cant even explain how stupid that post just was[/quote]

No, he said DRAFTEES, IE Ruki and Zibby.

[codizzle]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140738' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:29 PM']No, he said DRAFTEES, IE Ruki and Zibby.[/quote]
then i still woulda said same thing just not as animated lol

[Chi_Town_Raven]

I don't like Zibi. I want him gone. I'm worried about Landry. I think he might not play well anymore.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140671' date='Jan 19 2009, 05:55 PM']Nice. I think he's right up there with the ball boys and the fans in terms of impact to our football team with that type of role.[/quote]

You think downing punts isn't difficult? You can find 100s of FAs who can tackle, you won't find many with his speed and judgment when the ball bounces.

[Mr. Know Nothing]

[size=4]I dont make any claims of knowledge and I am just another disgruntled fan because I know if we played better in all facets we win the game yesterday, so to put all on one play isn't necessarily the smartest thing to do. Now all that being said, the Stone play was a key play in our downfall yesterday. I harken back to the 49ers and Mike Singletary in his dealings with his star tight end. We all know the famous quotes he made on that day. One of them was, "[b]Can I win with him, cant do it[/b]." I am not saying that he lost us the game but if you don't have players that make bad decisions like that on your team you have the ability to overcome alot of your shortcomings. I have to sit at home and wonder till next season that if he hadn't done that could we of won the game, and it is a legitimate arguement. I would much rather be sitting at home and just say we had another bad game but that play will resonate with me for awhile!!! [/size]

[Purple Punishment]

Trade him to the Lions for their final 7th rounder LMAO just to show him he is worthless to our organization now

[Ravens52]

Nooooo, Darren Stone is a beastly special teams player. Plus, we still had a chance to drive and win the game but Flacco threw the game losing INT. So no, we shouldn't cut him. Sure, he lost his cool at the worst possible time but we shouldn't cut a very good player over one play.

[codizzle]

agreed mr know nothin

[MKdave]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' post='140748' date='Jan 19 2009, 06:35 PM']Trade him to the Lions for their final 7th rounder LMAO just to show him he is worthless to our organization now[/quote]

ha ha ha. That'd be smart. Dick.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140745' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:33 PM']You think downing punts isn't difficult? You can find 100s of FAs who can tackle, you won't find many with his speed and judgment when the ball bounces.[/quote]

Well said. Stone didn't down all those punts by luck. He is a good player and I don't think he should be cut because of ONE play.

[12th man]

Look other payers have made stupid mistakes, look at Jared Johnson remember the late hit on hines ward in the other steelers game that gave them a score. If you use the logic that these kinda penelities should kick that person out then jared Johnson would be gone and there are others I'm sure.