Darren Stone

[raven43]

This is in referance to the other Darren Stone thread, and I hate to be one of those fans who hates them when thier doing good but wants to run them out of town when they do bad, but jeez, 25 yards!?!?!?! so what do you guys think?

[heapitup247]

Don't cut a player for one play. Hes had an excellent year on special teams, especially in the punt coverage aspect of it. IF youre gunna cut him cut him for his lack of being anything but a ST guy, but not for the play.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

We should definitely discipline him. Don't cut him, it's not worth it. Kids a beast on special teams, and how do you know what they were saying about each other? I know it's not an excuse, but it's not worth it to cut that guy because of one stupid play. He definitely needs to learn from it.

[tweety]

His play was another another hidden factor to our loss. You'll get those in games.

[McBoller]

anyone have any ideae WHY he did that? I know he got LAID OUT on the opening kickoff. Was is the same guy he threw down that tackled him on the opening kickoff?

[PIG 20]

[quote name='McBoller' post='140381' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:19 AM']anyone have any ideae WHY he did that? I know he got LAID OUT on the opening kickoff. Was is the same guy he threw down that tackled him on the opening kickoff?[/quote]

Because he's an idiot. That's why.

[Marc2k6]

Maybe Stone was not in his right mind. He did take a big hit early in the game.

[raven43]

as he was running back out after the play, you saw him stop and look up like "oooohh my god..." I don't know if it was, "what! I can't beleive they called that!" or "oh man, I got caught" that he was thinking

[RavenFan626]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='140394' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:23 AM']Maybe Stone was not in his right mind. He did take a big hit early in the game.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. I think he just wanted to try to make a big hit on someone for a little revenge.

[Bmore]

That was the biggest play of the game. A mistake of titanic proportions. That's all I have to say. He makes Zeus look like a genius.

[Bullrush]

Get him out of here. We don't need our 7th safety on the roster to lose games for us. Can't count on him. I could care less about his ability to play special teams. I hope this guy never gets another job in the NFL.

[MKdave]

<no Name calling>

Joe Flacco threw 3 picks, one of them for a TD. Bad decisions. THAT cost us the game.
Stone has been far and away our premier special teamer, and this is a roster that sent a special teamer to the probowl.

[R.Stinchcomb#78]

[quote name='McBoller' post='140381' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:19 AM']anyone have any ideae WHY he did that? I know he got LAID OUT on the opening kickoff. Was is the same guy he threw down that tackled him on the opening kickoff?[/quote]


I heard on Ravens X-tra last night that he had suffered a mild concussion in that opening kickoff and wasn't thinking clearly when he made that hit

[RavensGirl]

Yes, I heard the same thing, but I didn't hear mild - they just said concussion. If that's the case, he never should have been allowed right back in the game. Of course you're going to make poor decisions when you have a head injury!
Lay off, he's generally a solid player and has made some big plays for us even in the playoffs.
We were just so banged up the medical staff didn't do their job because we probably didn't have any players left!

[Bmore]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140494' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:09 AM']Are you?
You're saying that a 25 yard personal foul penalty was more a factor in this game than 3 interceptions? one of which was returned for 6.

If so, then it would appear that you are the one who is inebriated.[/quote]

Um wrong. Interception number 2 or 3 never happen if it isn't for that penalty.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bmore' post='140498' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:11 PM']Um wrong. Interception number 2 or 3 never happen if it isn't for that penalty.[/quote]

Who can say that with asolutely no certainty

[Black&Purple]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140477' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:02 AM']You guys are STUPID if you think we should cut Stone.

Joe Flacco threw 3 picks, one of them for a TD. Bad decisions. THAT cost us the game.
Stone has been far and away our premier special teamer, and this is a roster that sent a special teamer to the probowl.[/quote]

Okay, call me STUPID because I think he should be cut because he did something incredibly stupid in the most important game of the year? You can't sit there and say 3 interceptions cost us the game SOLELY. We can sit down and list 50 reasons why we lost the game, and his penalty contributed. But what do I know? Apparently I am just STUPID.

[tweety]

Darren Stone isn't a major hit on our salary cap. Leonard and Landry are the safeties that will be asking for the bulk from our safety core. One play isn't convincing enough to make me think he is a liability. Consistency goes both ways positive and negative. Consistently he has been positive for our coverage.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Black&Purple' post='140504' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:13 PM']Okay, call me STUPID because I think he should be cut because he did something incredibly stupid in the most important game of the year? You can't sit there and say 3 interceptions cost us the game SOLELY. We can sit down and list 50 reasons why we lost the game, and his penalty contributed. But what do I know? Apparently I am just STUPID. [/quote]

Of course you could, but Stone made one bad play. Flacco made dozens. Bart 'cost' us the Pats game with the throwing of the flag, Jarret Johnson 'cost' us the Steelers game earlier in the year.
This game is bigger, so it's more likely to happen.
Stone has contributed more this year that any of the safeties outside of Jim and Ed.

[R.Stinchcomb#78]

[quote name='RavensGirl' post='140490' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:09 AM']Yes, I heard the same thing, but I didn't hear mild - they just said concussion. If that's the case, he never should have been allowed right back in the game. Of course you're going to make poor decisions when you have a head injury!
Lay off, he's generally a solid player and has made some big plays for us even in the playoffs.
We were just so banged up the medical staff didn't do their job because we probably didn't have any players left![/quote]


your right
I just replayed the show (on my DVR) and they did say concussion, not [b]mild[/b] concussion, sorry about that and I wasn't bashing him at all

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Wow!

You want to know what I think?

I think we should all just calm down here. Yea, it was a HUGE mistake. But to call out one play for a game lost is just plain unacceptable. Like someone else already said; they're were more than 10 reasons why we lost that game. To call out just one player for an entire [b]TEAM's[/b] loss is just silly.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140494' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:09 PM']Are you?
You're saying that a 25 yard personal foul penalty was more a factor in this game than 3 interceptions? one of which was returned for 6.

If so, then it would appear that you are the one who is inebriated.[/quote]
Read my comment again, i edited it.

And stop with this 3 INT nonsense. I think 2 of them were tipped by our guys, the last one didn't even matter since the game was already over by that time. It's amazing that you can't even see the difference between a boneheaded penalty and an interception.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140524' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:20 AM']Read my comment again, i edited it.

And stop with this 3 INT nonsense. I think 2 of them were tipped by our guys, the last one didn't even matter since the game was already over by that time. It's amazing that you can't even see the difference between a boneheaded penalty and an interception.[/quote]
You really think we can get who's in your sig? That's a little too optimistic.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140524' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:20 PM']Read my comment again, i edited it.

And stop with this 3 INT nonsense. I think 2 of them were tipped by our guys, the last one didn't even matter since the game was already over by that time. It's amazing that you can't even see the difference between a boneheaded penalty and an interception.[/quote]

The first pick wasn't tipped, it was short to Mase. The one to Troy P was way short. And the last one yes was tipped but it doesn't excuse the other two.
I can see the difference, but to claim that that penalty is what lost us the game is absurd.

[heapitup247]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140488' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:07 AM']Are you still drunk? Everything went swimmingly well until this toolbox decided to throw the other player out of bounds. For no reason whatsoever. I think we started out at the 40 yard line, but because of that penalty we were back at the 20 yard line. Flacco completed a pass for 20 yards to Heap. We would've been in FG range.[/quote]

Well i dont think matt stover can make a 57 yard field goal, and whos to say the heap pass would have been the same. it was stupid, and im not gunna argue that, but everyone makes mistakes. Lets not cut a player who has had a terrific season because of one play. And yes, he did have a terrific season.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='heapitup247' post='140536' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:26 PM']Well i dont think matt stover can make a 57 yard field goal, and whos to say the heap pass would have been the same. it was stupid, and im not gunna argue that, but everyone makes mistakes. Lets not cut a player who has had a terrific season because of one play. And yes, he did have a terrific season.[/quote]
That argument just doesn't work. If you throw a pick then that's making a mistake. If you miss a tackle then that's making a mistake. But when you're out of bounds and you do such a stupid thing, stupid and selfish, then you need to get off this team. We don't need guys like that on our team. Especially not if all this guy does is play special teams. You don't smash somebody against a bench when you're already 10 yards out of bounds and then call it a mistake. It's not a mistake. He made a dumb decision.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140558' date='Jan 19 2009, 04:39 PM']That argument just doesn't work. If you throw a pick then that's making a mistake. If you miss a tackle then that's making a mistake. But when you're out of bounds and you do such a stupid thing, stupid and [b]selfish[/b], then you need to get off this team.[/quote]
Selfish? you can't just throw pejoratives out there and assume they're applicable, you know.
[quote]Especially not if all this guy does is play special teams.[/quote]
Special teams is 1/3 of the game. John Harbaugh will tell you, Brian Billick will tell you, Bill Parcells will tell you.

[StackHouseSis]

As someone who is in the stadium, I can attest to the fact that that penalty was absolutely a momentum changer in the game.
The terrible towels were silent leading up to this boneheaded move. There was 6:50 left on the clock. 2 points down. 40 yard line after a return from Leonhard.

I wouldn't say the penalty cost us the game, because there were plenty of other things that we could have been doing better. BUT at that point in time before we got pushed back, we were all looking around thinking "We are gonna win this football game" And the Steelers Fans were thinking the same thing too.

I've got to wonder about putting a guy back in who clearly had a concussion. After he got laid out in that first play, he eventually got up and started wandering over to the wrong bench. Have to wonder what kind of mindset he was in and what the intention of that stupid stupid hit was.

It's particularly frustrating after a season where we have been really much more disciplined than in past years.

Glad I'm not the one who has to make the decision re: cutting.

[Ed_Reed20]

Daren Stone has been the team's best gunner all year and one of the better all-around special team players too. I can't remember how many punts he has downed inside the 10. As costly as his penalty was, it wasn't the reason the team lost the game. He is solid special teams player but does the team really NEED him? I don't think so. However, you don't cut someone because of one play.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='MKdave' post='140562' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:41 AM']Selfish? you can't just throw pejoratives out there and assume they're applicable, you know.

Special teams is 1/3 of the game. John Harbaugh will tell you, Brian Billick will tell you, Bill Parcells will tell you.[/quote]
It IS selfish. Why am i even still arguing with you, it's obvious that you're on his payroll.

And special teams is 1/3 of the game. Stone is not. He's just another guy. You act like replacing him would be like replacing Ray on defense. He's just another guy. Barnes is a better special teamer. McClain is. Zibby is. Nakamura is. Marcus Smith is. Ayanbadejo is. We already have too much depth at safety, Stone is a goner.