[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Gone Choirboy? I Think Not

[BiggMack91]

can't wait to see these guys hit the field

[GENE2407]

Let's draft only guys from Harvard and Yale. Yeah, that lasted a whole one full season. I think people realize their jobs are at stake now.

[GENE2407]

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

I think that's cutting it very short. He had one bad season (mediocre actually) in six years. He was an all-pro type player. He was still only 28 and no one is washed up that quickly (that wasn't dealing with a half dozen serious injuries). Let's call it what it is............the league mandated that they turn their backs on him forever.

[n#7]

IMO the problem with cincy is that the inmates run the asylum.  You can't take a lot of those types and put them together and expect them to mature.  You have to have other high quality/character types of guys who can not just help on the field but guide the younger guys off the field.  

 

If burfict is your best player and "leader" who the hell reigns him in

What are the coaches getting paid for? It's not the duty of players to discipline their own although that sometimes does happen with fellas like a Lewis or Reed. However, they are few and far between but the ones are usually much respected veterans on and off the field.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I cant believe Williams fell to us, hopefully he will be all business, and get to work becoming a dominant force on the Dline

[eze17]

Tim Williams is a QB seeking missile...If he can clean up his act both on and off the field, he has the potential to be a lights out type player. I'm glad the Raven's are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Williams could be a key piece in the Raven's future.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Our Defense is younger strong and will get faster! Williams is pure "FIRE" and giving him a chance has to be so refreshing to him and his family! Way to go Ozzie and Co. SALUTE

[bioLarzen]

There was not one moment I wished Burfict was a Raven. Not one.

[purpledown]

he is worth the risk.

[sizzlingdoom]

he is worth the risk.

no doubt, especially where we got him

[sizzlingdoom]

I'm glad the Bengals drafted Mixon, I think 90% of my least favorite players in the NFL all play for Cincy. Makes it easier to know who to boo at. I will always see the Steelers as our biggest rivals but the Bengals have become my least favorite team. An inept front office combined with a bunch of dirty players.

I hear that. Pacman and Burfict are two of the worst ever. That's why I'm stoked it happens twice a year and I actually enjoy watching Pitt and Cincy beat up on eachother

[Taicus]

This article is terrible, and I can't believe you guys actually published it.

[Crusader]

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

[Halshayeji]

12 minutes ago, Crusader said:

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

I think Suggs, Mosley, Weddle, and Jefferson will carry the Batton on D. On offense, we seriously lack some swag! We need at least one big mouth WR that will keep defenses on their heels. Another nasty lineman would do wonders

[Swift 1]

Is being a 'homer' in your home city a bad thing? or should all Baltimore writers be like Mike 'if the ravens did it its wrong' Preston.

PS I read the Sun papers after every Ravens game and I find it very hard to find a favorable article, win or lose. 

[Swift 1]

15 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

Let's draft only guys from Harvard and Yale. Yeah, that lasted a whole one full season. I think people realize their jobs are at stake now.

Do you really think that guys that beat thier wives  and smoke pot are better football players than those that do not?

[atomicfront]

So we are celebrating guys who assault others and carry guns illegally? Baltimore needs more criminals? I find how you use the term "Choir Boy" as an insult to be offensive. I would rather have a player who wont' add to the cities crime rate.

[atomicfront]

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

He was cut because of the video. If there hadn't been a video and an outrage against the NFL because of not giving him a big suspension he wouldn't have been cut.

[RavensDE]

17 hours ago, mybuddymac said:

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

That isn't accurate at all.  Even if he had lost a step, even if he was terrible, cutting him so early into such a big deal with a large signing bonus really put us behind the 8-ball in terms of the salary cap.  We would have dealt with that and kept him on the team, even putting him on IR to open up a roster spot if necessary before we would cut him.  The year he was released he counted $6.3 million against the cap for a player who wasn't on the team, and $9.5 million against the cap the following year.  That is for a player we still had to replace and pay another player to do his job.  It makes no sense to say he lost a step and that is why we cut.  

The other thing that makes this inaccurate is that the team released him only after the video went public.  The team had plenty of time to cut him before that and they knew full well what had happened because Ozzie made a statement that Ray Rice had told them the full truth without trying to make it sound like it wasn't that bad.  The previous year he played injured and he was widely reported to have prepared himself to peak condition for the upcoming year.  

He was cut for PR reasons that were beyond the team's control.  Ozzie wanted to keep him the whole time.  

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/ray-rice-3998/

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-financial-ramifications-of-ravens-terminating-ray-rices-contract-20140908-story.html

[rmcjacket23]

  19 hours ago, mybuddymac said:

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

That isn't accurate at all.  Even if he had lost a step, even if he was terrible, cutting him so early into such a big deal with a large signing bonus really put us behind the 8-ball in terms of the salary cap.  We would have dealt with that and kept him on the team, even putting him on IR to open up a roster spot if necessary before we would cut him.  The year he was released he counted $6.3 million against the cap for a player who wasn't on the team, and $9.5 million against the cap the following year.  That is for a player we still had to replace and pay another player to do his job.  It makes no sense to say he lost a step and that is why we cut.  

The other thing that makes this inaccurate is that the team released him only after the video went public.  The team had plenty of time to cut him before that and they knew full well what had happened because Ozzie made a statement that Ray Rice had told them the full truth without trying to make it sound like it wasn't that bad.  The previous year he played injured and he was widely reported to have prepared himself to peak condition for the upcoming year.  

He was cut for PR reasons that were beyond the team's control.  Ozzie wanted to keep him the whole time.  

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/ray-rice-3998/

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-financial-ramifications-of-ravens-terminating-ray-rices-contract-20140908-story.html

For the most part this is accurate.

He was declining, but he would have made the team in 2014 because of his contract. Now, after that season, who knows. My guess is he would have been a post June-1 cut during the 2015 offseason. So the video probably expedited him getting cut by a season.

Now I will point out that the fact that the team knew what occurred on the video really doesn't change much, because hearing or reading about something is very different than seeing it.

I read about people getting murdered in the newspaper everyday. That's very different than watching somebody get murdered. You can even tell me how they will get murdered and how graphic it is, and it's still not the same as seeing it.

However, one of the main reasons why he won't get signed by another team is due to his lack of production towards the end of his career.

[rmcjacket23]

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

Think its pretty clear who is leading their respective groups.

Suggs leads the Dline/LBs, Weddle leads the secondary.

Steve Smith was leading the receivers, and Yanda leads the Oline.

I thought this was common knowledge. If your interpretation of "leadership" is a guy who delivers sermons in the locker room or is constantly in the public eye preaching like Ray Lewis was, then I think the lack of leadership falls on your end, not the Ravens end.

If I asked you to tell me who the leader of the groups of players on the New England Patriots are, you couldn't do that either. So apparently they don't have leadership from player commanders (outside of Brady) either, yet they seem to keep winning.

[b93333]

20 hours ago, mybuddymac said:

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

Think about it... by cutting Rice the Ravens were hit with a ton of dead money.  No way they would have cut him without that video going public.  He had been a model citizen prior to the drunken assault and was the Raven's most active player in the community.

[sizzlingdoom]

  18 hours ago, Crusader said:

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

Think its pretty clear who is leading their respective groups.

Suggs leads the Dline/LBs, Weddle leads the secondary.

Steve Smith was leading the receivers, and Yanda leads the Oline.

I thought this was common knowledge. If your interpretation of "leadership" is a guy who delivers sermons in the locker room or is constantly in the public eye preaching like Ray Lewis was, then I think the lack of leadership falls on your end, not the Ravens end.

If I asked you to tell me who the leader of the groups of players on the New England Patriots are, you couldn't do that either. So apparently they don't have leadership from player commanders (outside of Brady) either, yet they seem to keep winning.

"then the lack of leadership falls on your end..."
?????????????????
LOL you're donkey ways have no limits LOL

[Crusader]

  On 5/3/2017 at 8:28 AM, Crusader said:

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

Think its pretty clear who is leading their respective groups.

Suggs leads the Dline/LBs, Weddle leads the secondary.

Steve Smith was leading the receivers, and Yanda leads the Oline.

I thought this was common knowledge. If your interpretation of "leadership" is a guy who delivers sermons in the locker room or is constantly in the public eye preaching like Ray Lewis was, then I think the lack of leadership falls on your end, not the Ravens end.

If I asked you to tell me who the leader of the groups of players on the New England Patriots are, you couldn't do that either. So apparently they don't have leadership from player commanders (outside of Brady) either, yet they seem to keep winning.

No. Sermons in locker rooms are a product of his personality not a leadership trait. Why New England wins is easy. Go to their website. Pull up their roster and sort on years.The first 15 players have played the last 5 years or more together in New England. That develops nucleus. Then take a look a 2017 Ravens. In 2012 there were 12 players drafted by Ravens who started and have played mim 3 or more years together.. I don't follow the Pats that closely but I would lay money on Rob Ninkovich, Devin McCourty and Pat Chung as leaders. Why are your responses so angry? I can't understand why people responses make you so miserable and combative. I lied I do know why.

[rmcjacket23]

  On 5/3/2017 at 0:13 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

  On 5/3/2017 at 8:28 AM, Crusader said:

I would not say choirboys but if you say Alpha males with vocal personalities to lead men, I would say there is something in that. One big problem with the Ravens is that there is no nucleus of players leading their perspective groups. In the past (before 2013) Ravens had a leader and his generals. I would love to see Tim do that but I'm sure he will be put into his place. It is no coincidence the Ravens have done nothing since 2012 and the purge. Do you seriously think Ravens would have won the Super Bowl if the "mutiny" did not happen? The fact that it came to that point told me there is an issue in knowing your men. Knowing the "pulse" of your team. John has his generals (coordinators) but seems to have an issue understanding commanders purpose in the field.

Think its pretty clear who is leading their respective groups.

Suggs leads the Dline/LBs, Weddle leads the secondary.

Steve Smith was leading the receivers, and Yanda leads the Oline.

I thought this was common knowledge. If your interpretation of "leadership" is a guy who delivers sermons in the locker room or is constantly in the public eye preaching like Ray Lewis was, then I think the lack of leadership falls on your end, not the Ravens end.

If I asked you to tell me who the leader of the groups of players on the New England Patriots are, you couldn't do that either. So apparently they don't have leadership from player commanders (outside of Brady) either, yet they seem to keep winning.

No. Sermons in locker rooms are a product of his personality not a leadership trait. Why New England wins is easy. Go to their website. Pull up their roster and sort on years.The first 15 players have played the last 5 years or more together in New England. That develops nucleus. Then take a look a 2017 Ravens. In 2012 there were 12 players drafted by Ravens who started and have played mim 3 or more years together.. I don't follow the Pats that closely but I would lay money on Rob Ninkovich, Devin McCourty and Pat Chung as leaders. Why are your responses so angry? I can't understand why people responses make you so miserable and combative. I lied I do know why.

Yes, and that's because those players are actually good.

When we get a core group of good players, we will fall into that category as well.

But that's a product of poor drafts. Keeping around below average players just to build "a nucleus" won't yield W's on the football field.

[Tiznut]

On 5/2/2017 at 3:15 PM, n#7 said:

What are the coaches getting paid for? It's not the duty of players to discipline their own although that sometimes does happen with fellas like a Lewis or Reed. However, they are few and far between but the ones are usually much respected veterans on and off the field.

It's not all on coaches.  Players follow examples set by leadership.  Leadership consists of PLAYERS as well as coaches and the front office.