[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Gone Choirboy? I Think Not

[BR News]

Pass rusher Tim Williams has some character concerns stemming from off-field incidents at Alabama. While the Ravens can’t guarantee he’ll stay out of trouble, they’re willing to gamble on his talent.

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[NCGuy]

Best of luck to Tim Williams and welcome to the Ravens!!

[b93333]

Eisenberg is a homer but he's right about this guy. Good pick in spite of problems.

[ellicottraven]

To me Tim Williams is the most exciting pick that I'll be looking forward to following. He can be the best thing that happens to us in a long time if he is given the proper guidance and framework to succeed. I am very confident given that Jimmy Smith, Jernigan et al were productive and stayed out of trouble here. I am confident Tim Williams will be a super star in this league and will be a Raven for a very long time.

[The Mom Gene]

John, Do you really believe that the Ravens would have wanted Burfict on this team????? I, for one, disagree with that synopsis that they might want that decision back.

I think there are enough guys on this team, that they can help to guide Tim Williams into a better situation. Maybe this opportunity is one that he appreciates and will work to improve on.

WELCOME TO BALTIMORE TIM.

[ravens4life86]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

[JD08]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Rice was pretty much a good guy anyway, just had one bad mistake, he had 0 blemishes before then. Burfict as skilled as he is, wouldn't want him on our team, he's out of control at times. If Tim Williams can stay focus and keep his head on straight, he will be great for us

[The Beak]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Cmon man you and all the Ravens fans Should know we will not take any player that remotely resembles Ray Rice , and Mixon (Watch that tape) committed a violent act against a women that is just as bad as Rice , maybe worse. I do not feel punished due to the Ravens not drafting Mixon what he did is low life , and he shouldn't play in the NFL, that goes for Rice Hardy or whoever decides to treat Women that way, Grow up.. its just a game...

[The Beak]

To me Tim Williams is the most exciting pick that I'll be looking forward to following. He can be the best thing that happens to us in a long time if he is given the proper guidance and framework to succeed. I am very confident given that Jimmy Smith, Jernigan et al were productive and stayed out of trouble here. I am confident Tim Williams will be a super star in this league and will be a Raven for a very long time.

Yes , I cant believe he fell that far, He may be the best Pass Rushing LBer in this draft!!!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Speak for yourself. I wouldnt want Mixon on this team. Sure, everyone deserves a 2nd change but no one is obligated to give it to him. Hes a headcase. It wasnt until the draft was approaching and the video came out that he showed any remorse or apologized. And the parking ticket incident shows me that even in college he felt that "normal" people were beneath him and the rules dont apply.

Forget that. He may play well for the bengals, but i bet it blows up for them in some way or another. Just like Burfict, who plays well and helped them be a playoff contender for a couple years -- but was also the biggest reason they didnt win a playoff game 2 years in a row.

[GeeWallee]

 I would think that most of us did things in our teens and early 20s, that we kind of laugh at now. Or at least grin about.
The F.O. and Coaches sat down with Tim Williams and so they know the deal. Ozzie has assuredly talked with Nick Saban.
 Being considered a choirboy, doesn't mean that ones are without faults.
Just means that you can sing, halfway decent.
Let's give the kid a chance, as we have given other Players chances. He can definitely Rush the Passer and help to stop an Offense.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:51 PM by GeeWallee

[fusuymada]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

I don't totally disagree with you but I do know that a Bengals reporter from the Bengals team website stated that about 75% of the Bengals fanbase didn't want Mixon either, but if he is instrumental in them winning a playoff game, he will be the most popular person in Cincinnatti. Unfortunately, Ravens fans would be the same way if we drafted him and he helped us win regardless of his background, they would embrace him. People can say no they wouldn't, but they know they would.

[The Mom Gene]

  59 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Cmon man you and all the Ravens fans Should know we will not take any player that remotely resembles Ray Rice , and Mixon (Watch that tape) committed a violent act against a women that is just as bad as Rice , maybe worse. I do not feel punished due to the Ravens not drafting Mixon what he did is low life , and he shouldn't play in the NFL, that goes for Rice Hardy or whoever decides to treat Women that way, Grow up.. its just a game...

+35

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I hope T.W. does stay out of trouble. This is his income and he has to be smart enough to see it does matter what you do both on and off the field. I think he has the motivation because it already cost him some $$$$$ being as he was selected on the second day of the draft. He should use that as motivation to keep his head on straight on and off the field and let all the other 31 NFL teams know who they passed on for multiple rounds of the draft.

[J.O.14]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Yeah, but what Mixon did goes beyond football. Have you seen the video? IMO (and it's not acceptable at any point), his video was worse than Rice's. He literally knocked her out and just left. Rice was a good citizen before that, Mixon hasn't done anything to show he is a good person. After what Rice did and what the organization went through, could you imagine what it would have been like if the Baltimore Ravens drafted him? A nightmare.

If you don't remember correctly, did you watch the playoff game against the Steelers two years ago? Burfict and Adam Jones cost the Bengals the game...the players with red flags. Surprising? Absolutely not. You get what you pay for.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

This is a story about T.W. on ESPN I thought you might like
http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/35693/did-the-ravens-really-draft-the-next-lawrence-taylor-in-the-third-round

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:15 PM by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[rmcjacket23]

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

Actually the fanbase is punishing themselves for that, since they're the one's driving the Ravens stance on this.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

John, Do you really believe that the Ravens would have wanted Burfict on this team????? I, for one, disagree with that synopsis that they might want that decision back.

I think there are enough guys on this team, that they can help to guide Tim Williams into a better situation. Maybe this opportunity is one that he appreciates and will work to improve on.

WELCOME TO BALTIMORE TIM.

Iirc they did try to get him into Baltimore as a udfa but he chose cincy.  So yes he was wanted in Baltimore 

[Tiznut]

Should be noted that Adam jones to Baltimore was a discussion had this offseason 

 

*evidently last offseason 

Edited Tuesday at 06:24 PM by Tiznut

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, ravens4life86 said:

Nice try Eisenberg. Taken a player(s) with diluted samples for likely weed is not the same as them taken a Joe Mixon like the Bengals. Bonefied stud who could vastly improve our team.

At some point you must stop punishing the fanbase for Rice situation, afterall Rice has turned into a great citizen.

I don't totally disagree with you but I do know that a Bengals reporter from the Bengals team website stated that about 75% of the Bengals fanbase didn't want Mixon either, but if he is instrumental in them winning a playoff game, he will be the most popular person in Cincinnatti. Unfortunately, Ravens fans would be the same way if we drafted him and he helped us win regardless of his background, they would embrace him. People can say no they wouldn't, but they know they would.

Of course they would. Because at the end of the day, this isn't a morality contest. They're football players. To the fans, they are entertainment... pure and simple.

I don't care if my RB is a nice guy. He can cheat on his wife, cheat on his taxes, not spend time with his kids, etc. Couldn't care less. There's millions of people in this country that do the same thing, and I'm not going to pretend more about the morality of an NFL player than any of those people.

I care about what the player does in his free time to the extent that it affects my perceived entertainment. If he's doing things that will keep him off the football field, I care, because he's not entertaining me if he's not on the football field.

BUT, at the same time, I also don't own the Baltimore Ravens, nor do I make a living off their profits. And as such, I don't have sponsors who have input into the kind of person I employ. Because if I employ somebody who will cause my sponsors to decide to cease doing business with me, then I have to seriously evaluate whether that employee is worth being a part of my organization.

And that's what happens with Rice, and its what we would have to weigh with a guy like Mixon. Is he valuable enough that he will positively impact the bottom line of the company, and are his character issues bad enough that I think he will hinder the entertainment of the consumers in the future?

Those are the questions I'm asking myself if I'm Steve. And I'd bet he does it just the same.

[PersianRaven]

frrrrrrack outta here Eisenberg. As talented as Burfict is, he is a DIRTY player and someone who has singlehandedly cost the Bengals the W in the postseason 2 years in a row. He does not belong here. We got our own Burfict now in T.W. Let's go get em Timmy boy!

[RavensDE]

I think its funny that the Bengals always take the loose cannons and red flag rejects and they always fall apart when the going gets tough at the end of the season.  Would we be better off with Burfict?  I don't think so.  He's a good baller but his mercurial personality leads to an inconsistent effect on the game and I always get the feeling he is not a good leader for the team.  The kind of guy that doesn't lead people to where we want them to be and explodes when things don't go his way in crunch time.  You don't want your best player to be the worst example.  

This kid Dixon seems like a real piece of garbage.  Who knows maybe he had a really bad day and the camera doesn't tell the whole story but I'm glad we didn't take him.  We don't need all choir boys and I'm all for second chances but as far as I can tell people who loose their heads in normal life tend not to be the best professionals in the long run.  

[Tiznut]

IMO the problem with cincy is that the inmates run the asylum.  You can't take a lot of those types and put them together and expect them to mature.  You have to have other high quality/character types of guys who can not just help on the field but guide the younger guys off the field.  

 

If burfict is your best player and "leader" who the hell reigns him in

[mendii]

I'm glad the Bengals drafted Mixon, I think 90% of my least favorite players in the NFL all play for Cincy. Makes it easier to know who to boo at. I will always see the Steelers as our biggest rivals but the Bengals have become my least favorite team. An inept front office combined with a bunch of dirty players.

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

Iirc they did try to get him into Baltimore as a udfa but he chose cincy.  So yes he was wanted in Baltimore 

Not by the fans.  He's the dirtiest player in Football right now. Burfict, Jones, and now Mixon....  rah rah.

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

Iirc they did try to get him into Baltimore as a udfa but he chose cincy.  So yes he was wanted in Baltimore 

I don't know where you believe that Baltimore tried to get Burfict...  or Adam "pacman" Jones.....  Cannot find anything on it that documents that for either player.  They've known that both of those players are dirty and have known it for years.  The only place I have EVER seen discussion about either of them is in here.....   or on Russell Street Report in their discussion boards.  Never once saw it reported by this organization that they wanted either of these guys.

[Tiznut]

4 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

I don't know where you believe that Baltimore tried to get Burfict...  or Adam "pacman" Jones.....  Cannot find anything on it that documents that for either player.  They've known that both of those players are dirty and have known it for years.  The only place I have EVER seen discussion about either of them is in here.....   or on Russell Street Report in their discussion boards.  Never once saw it reported by this organization that they wanted either of these guys.

Then you didn't look. 

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, Tiznut said:

Iirc they did try to get him into Baltimore as a udfa but he chose cincy.  So yes he was wanted in Baltimore 

I don't know where you believe that Baltimore tried to get Burfict...  or Adam "pacman" Jones.....  Cannot find anything on it that documents that for either player.  They've known that both of those players are dirty and have known it for years.  The only place I have EVER seen discussion about either of them is in here.....   or on Russell Street Report in their discussion boards.  Never once saw it reported by this organization that they wanted either of these guys.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-38-Ravens-Interested-In-Pacman-Jones-Raiders-Offer-Huge-Money-To-Kelechi-Osemele/6f3d8a98-5222-4700-b5ef-ac37ddbb5cce

[mybuddymac]

Lets be realistic here, Rice was cut because he wasn't producing anymore. He had his worst statistical season by far just before the incident which made the F.O. job a ton easier in parting with him. If he was still the guy who won us that game in San Diego on 4th and 29 (Hey diddle diddle) you bet you behinds they would have kept him.

[Crusader]

We shall see. Ravens went from "Who let the Dogs out?" to Who's in John's dog house.?