[News] Top Question For Each 2017 Ravens Draft Pick

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Baltimore is bringing in a talented seven-man class, but the group has work to do to live up to its potential.

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[eze17]

If he can stay out of trouble, Tim Williams could be a dominant player in this league. Dude is a QB seeking missile. Just needs to show some maturity, both on and off the field.

[ellicottraven]

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

[JD08]

Yea Williams just needs to stay out of trouble and work on his game, could be a day 1 starter...Bowser can go under Suggs wing and become his replacement, they can anchor our defense as premier pass rushers. Marlon works on his deep coverage skills he will be a shutdown corner, just need good coaching. Siragusa will be a day 1 starter, think we would be better off putting him at LG, moving Alex to the RT and finding a C. Also Wormley will be a beast too, looked at his tape, he will be a problem

[sami]

18 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

I don't know where anyone got the idea that Harbaugh has a "dog house". And the Ravens when coached by Harbaugh hasn't let any players talent 'wither away". Most players excel when they are with the Ravens and but seem to fade when they leave.

Edited Monday at 09:48 PM by sami

[JD08]

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

I don't know where anyone got the idea that Harbaugh has a "dog house". And the Raven under Harbaugh hasn't let any players talent 'wither away". Most player excel when they are with the Ravens and but seem to fade when they leave.

I've seen the term dog house a lot, from people that cover the Ravens. Not sure how much truth is to it, but I don't believe they making it up

[TheConquerorWorm]

Mink,

A DE in a 2 gap 3-4 defense is not a "pass rush" position. His primary responsibility is defending both gaps against the run and tying up O-linemen. Asking if he will be a force rushing the passer is like asking if Mike Wallace will increase his rushing TDs on End Arounds. Very few players can excel at both. Given the choice, most coaches would rather have a player that's great at shutting down both gaps against the run. Any pass rush is a bonus. It's why Jernigan never succeeded at DE and was traded (not good against the run).

[RavensDieHard21]

I like Humphrey a lot. He needs to be coached on getting his head turned around quicker while the ball is in the air in man coverage. In zone he appears to do great, but savvy route runners will get him. I wonder how much he will be utilizes year 1. 

Will pees use Bowser as a joker defender or will he try to keep him plugged in as OLB?

[stampedehero]

I like Humphrey a lot. He needs to be coached on getting his head turned around quicker while the ball is in the air in man coverage. In zone he appears to do great, but savvy route runners will get him. I wonder how much he will be utilizes year 1. 

Will pees use Bowser as a joker defender or will he try to keep him plugged in as OLB?

What is a joker defender? I never heard that Phrase.

[Tank 92]

24 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

What is a joker defender? I never heard that Phrase.

I think maybe he meant wildcard.

[Ravensfansince03]

They are all rookies. So we expect them to show room for improvement and maturity. But I have all good feelings about this draft class. These guys will be part of the new dominating faces for this defense. I have to see more about the two offensive lineman tho

[purpledown]

the Ravens get little respect outside of the fans. I have not heard a breakdown of how the media thinks they did in the draft. I believe the Browns get more coverage.

[mendii]

Hey so, been thinking about it, but wouldn't Humphrey's yards per completion stat be inflated because of his prowess in the short game? If guy A lets everything be caught and then tackles the guy while guy B only lets things be caught down the field, then guy A has the move favorable yards per completion average, but isn't necessarily a better cornerback. 

Or maybe he's just trash? I dunno.

Edited Tuesday at 03:23 AM by mendii

[sizzlingdoom]

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

Even though I hate our coaching staff when it comes to coaching on the field, I think they will use him correctly. I think he's a pass rusher. It's that's simple. So I think that will be hard to screw up.
My question for him is whether he can beef up a tiny bit, and become an actual edge setter as well. I hope so. If not, I think he'll just be a really good specialist, while we attempt to go forward with Bowser and Judon as the OLBs. I think this will be a very telling year for Judon. I think mid way through the year, we'll have a good idea of whether he can just be a nice piece at times, or whether we think he'll be good enough to take over as a full-time OLB once Sizzle is gone.

[sizzlingdoom]

Mink,

A DE in a 2 gap 3-4 defense is not a "pass rush" position. His primary responsibility is defending both gaps against the run and tying up O-linemen. Asking if he will be a force rushing the passer is like asking if Mike Wallace will increase his rushing TDs on End Arounds. Very few players can excel at both. Given the choice, most coaches would rather have a player that's great at shutting down both gaps against the run. Any pass rush is a bonus. It's why Jernigan never succeeded at DE and was traded (not good against the run).

Well good thing you educated Mink, lol.
Everyone agrees, he will see a ton of time at DE in our 3-4.
However, that is NOT the only position he'll play.
6'5, 300lbs, with long arms. He's about as athletic and as agile as a person gets that is that size. He'll bump inside for a pass rush on obvious passing downs, and he also rush from the edge, successfully in college. Not to mention I bet he gets multiple sacks from his DE spot as well

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  9 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like Humphrey a lot. He needs to be coached on getting his head turned around quicker while the ball is in the air in man coverage. In zone he appears to do great, but savvy route runners will get him. I wonder how much he will be utilizes year 1. 

Will pees use Bowser as a joker defender or will he try to keep him plugged in as OLB?

What is a joker defender? I never heard that Phrase.

A "Joker" defender is simply a defensive player you can move all around the field. I am not sure if you were a fan long enough to remember Adalius Thomas who would normally play DE, but would move to DT, OLB, MLB, and even lined up as a safety. It now seems to pertain to guys that can play SS/MLB or go from outside corner to nickel to safety. It is just a new buzzword term for the word "Versatile"

[BigUgly]

I know the Ravens drafted BPA, and have some of the best scouts and relationships with college programs to build their board, so I'm sure this draft class will be successful.

I do wonder what a draft that emphasized offensive playmakers a bit more may have looked like.  Assuming no trades, we could have had the following in the first 3 rounds (pretty happy with the 4th and 5th, and the 6th is a ST player at best):

1.  OJ Howard - Bigger and faster than the WR Williams, and he can block

2.  JuJu - Compares to Boldin as a receiver who can run great routes and win contested catches, and he can block

3.  Tim Williams or Chris Godwin (the latter if you really wanted to emphasize the O; though he seems a poor man's Perriman)

3.  Fabian Moreau - fill our CB need later in a very deep class 

 

Be interesting to see which set of picks will look better 3 years from now.

[sizzlingdoom]

I know the Ravens drafted BPA, and have some of the best scouts and relationships with college programs to build their board, so I'm sure this draft class will be successful.

I do wonder what a draft that emphasized offensive playmakers a bit more may have looked like.  Assuming no trades, we could have had the following in the first 3 rounds (pretty happy with the 4th and 5th, and the 6th is a ST player at best):

1.  OJ Howard - Bigger and faster than the WR Williams, and he can block

2.  JuJu - Compares to Boldin as a receiver who can run great routes and win contested catches, and he can block

3.  Tim Williams or Chris Godwin (the latter if you really wanted to emphasize the O; though he seems a poor man's Perriman)

3.  Fabian Moreau - fill our CB need later in a very deep class 

 

Be interesting to see which set of picks will look better 3 years from now.

I think OJ and Ju Ju would have not only been bpa but filled huge needs as well. Frustrating. We'll see

[bigcatfrank1]

I know the Ravens drafted BPA, and have some of the best scouts and relationships with college programs to build their board, so I'm sure this draft class will be successful.

I do wonder what a draft that emphasized offensive playmakers a bit more may have looked like.  Assuming no trades, we could have had the following in the first 3 rounds (pretty happy with the 4th and 5th, and the 6th is a ST player at best):

1.  OJ Howard - Bigger and faster than the WR Williams, and he can block

2.  JuJu - Compares to Boldin as a receiver who can run great routes and win contested catches, and he can block

3.  Tim Williams or Chris Godwin (the latter if you really wanted to emphasize the O; though he seems a poor man's Perriman)

3.  Fabian Moreau - fill our CB need later in a very deep class 

 

Be interesting to see which set of picks will look better 3 years from now.

They could have taken any one of them instead, I think Bower is clearly BPA vs Ju Ju however JJ may have been the receiver that could help this team the most. Its just the way the board fell. Ju Ju doesnt make it to 3rd round so the Ravens don't get him.

OJ Howard sure looks like the real deal, He too could have made a huge impact. That is the move I am surprised with, I think Howard was the BPA at that time. We will see, does Humphrey start? or does he just play options and substitutions which is more of what the Ravens do with first year corners.
OJ looks to start so we should get a look right away at his play by play full game ability.

The others all look to be very good moves, so far. yep we will see in a couple of years.

[RavenLunatic]

I know the Ravens drafted BPA, and have some of the best scouts and relationships with college programs to build their board, so I'm sure this draft class will be successful.

I do wonder what a draft that emphasized offensive playmakers a bit more may have looked like.  Assuming no trades, we could have had the following in the first 3 rounds (pretty happy with the 4th and 5th, and the 6th is a ST player at best):

1.  OJ Howard - Bigger and faster than the WR Williams, and he can block

2.  JuJu - Compares to Boldin as a receiver who can run great routes and win contested catches, and he can block

3.  Tim Williams or Chris Godwin (the latter if you really wanted to emphasize the O; though he seems a poor man's Perriman)

3.  Fabian Moreau - fill our CB need later in a very deep class 

 

Be interesting to see which set of picks will look better 3 years from now.

Ozzie did not draft Humphry because he was the best player available. He even said something in the presser like "we picked the best player at the position" (I'd have to go back and get the exact verbiage). They were clearly looking to bolster the D with their first pick.

[eze17]

the Ravens get little respect outside of the fans. I have not heard a breakdown of how the media thinks they did in the draft. I believe the Browns get more coverage.

Disagree. There are a ton of draft grades for all 32 teams out there. The Brownies are getting more talk because A: They had the #1 selection in this draft. B: They also had a ton of high level picks overall. and C: They are the Cleveland Browns, easily the worst franchise in football, maybe in all pro sports, over the last ten years or so. The only way they can climb out of this hole is through the draft. How many free agents were banging on their doors wanting to sign w/ Cleveland? And they have been pretty horrible drafting players for numerous years now.(I know, they got Joe Thomas and a few other decent players, but overall they've stunk up the joint with their picks!) So, yes, the national media would, and should, hold them under a microscope. Most people don't like to admit it, but everyone loves to watch a trainwreck...

[TheConquerorWorm]

Hey so, been thinking about it, but wouldn't Humphrey's yards per completion stat be inflated because of his prowess in the short game? If guy A lets everything be caught and then tackles the guy while guy B only lets things be caught down the field, then guy A has the move favorable yards per completion average, but isn't necessarily a better cornerback. 

Or maybe he's just trash? I dunno.

I think it has more to do with Saban's system. Saban's CB are typically on an island with no help over the top. If Jimmy Smith lined up against Antonio Brown with no help from the Safeties during the game, his yards per completion and "giving up the long ball" would be hugely inflated.

[Crusader]

the Ravens get little respect outside of the fans. I have not heard a breakdown of how the media thinks they did in the draft. I believe the Browns get more coverage.

Watch what happens if Browns beat the Ravens. Those "former Browns will have gotten beaten by the real Browns" They will say. 24/7 news till the next weekend comes. Baltimore was NEVER suppose to have a another team. Especially since the City politicians were going to "Steal" the team come Monday morning on a vote but the Owner said "see ya". That's the part everyone leave out. NFL still holds grudges.
."and on March 28, the Maryland state legislature passed a law allowing they city of Baltimore to seize the Colts from Irsa"