[News] Late For Work 5/1: Grades For Ravens' 2017 Draft Class

[rmcjacket23]

  18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The only "surprise" of the offseason thus far is the failure to sign a possession receiver, though the offseason obviously isn't even close to being over yet.

Would point out that the FO has already stated publicly that they feel pretty good about internal options at RT and at ILB, and so fans need to start taking notice of this and understand that its simply not a realistic expectation to have 22 starting spots locked down in May.

Very easily may be August before we even know who is going to be starting at those positions, and those players may or may not even be on the roster at this point.

I also would point out something I've been telling you guys for months... don't expect wholesale changes in terms of acquisitions on the offensive side of the ball, mainly because its easily the youngest side of the ball.

We've got youth at WR, TE, RB, and in some ways OLine. In many ways, I think the FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. The defense had age issues at a lot of spots, and those seem to be addressed pretty well at this point.

You nailed it! The FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. That's so easy to say. I am sure OC Marty will be relieved to hear it. Let's see. He has Wallace, Waller, Moore, Perriman, Matthews, Campanero and now Woodhead. Of the entire bunch, only two have proven they are starters - Wallace and Woodhead. The others have some potential but that's the worse thing you can say about an athlete. I would like to see Q come back to Bmore for an encore but don't count on it after the way the FO treated him after the SB. Ask yourself why Waller is a WR and not a TE. Get Perriman to make the routine chain-moving catches a pro is supposed to make for his QB instead of an occasional circus catch. Keep Campanero healthy for a whole season. Good luck, Marty! If we go into the season with Wallace, Perriman and Moore as the top 3 WRs, you are in serious trouble unless you can get them to "just play better". But what the heck, it will give the Flacco doubters and detractors some more cannon fodder. Not drafting a WR in this draft is symptomatic of a FO in denial, delusion or delirium. That's what is simple. In fact, its so simple its offensive (pun intended).

1. Well most of them have potential because they've only been in the league for about a year. By definition, that's what the majority of second year players in this league have in this league at this point. If teams wrote off all those players after a year, they'd be missing out on studs quite often.

2. Waller is a WR because we had like 7 TEs at the time, and he offers very little as a blocker, which is a requirement for a TE.

3. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who our "top 3 WRs" are, because three receivers aren't producing in this offense. They never have, regardless of who the OC is.

Two WRs can produce, 1-2 TEs can produce, and a RB can produce. That's it. If your third WR is catching like 50-60 passes, that means we're throwing the ball 600+ times a season. That means we aren't running the ball effectively and we're losing games.

4. I mean I guess we could have drafted a WR, but obviously it wasn't happening in the first round, since the only one's worth that price tag were long gone before we picked. I only saw 3 go in the 2nd round, and I wasn't impressed with any of them outside of Zay Jones, who again, went long before we picked.

So I guess we could have used a 3rd round pick or later on a guy, but obviously its naive to think they're going to come in and start for us right away.

[sizzlingdoom]

  11 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

  18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The only "surprise" of the offseason thus far is the failure to sign a possession receiver, though the offseason obviously isn't even close to being over yet.

Would point out that the FO has already stated publicly that they feel pretty good about internal options at RT and at ILB, and so fans need to start taking notice of this and understand that its simply not a realistic expectation to have 22 starting spots locked down in May.

Very easily may be August before we even know who is going to be starting at those positions, and those players may or may not even be on the roster at this point.

I also would point out something I've been telling you guys for months... don't expect wholesale changes in terms of acquisitions on the offensive side of the ball, mainly because its easily the youngest side of the ball.

We've got youth at WR, TE, RB, and in some ways OLine. In many ways, I think the FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. The defense had age issues at a lot of spots, and those seem to be addressed pretty well at this point.

You nailed it! The FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. That's so easy to say. I am sure OC Marty will be relieved to hear it. Let's see. He has Wallace, Waller, Moore, Perriman, Matthews, Campanero and now Woodhead. Of the entire bunch, only two have proven they are starters - Wallace and Woodhead. The others have some potential but that's the worse thing you can say about an athlete. I would like to see Q come back to Bmore for an encore but don't count on it after the way the FO treated him after the SB. Ask yourself why Waller is a WR and not a TE. Get Perriman to make the routine chain-moving catches a pro is supposed to make for his QB instead of an occasional circus catch. Keep Campanero healthy for a whole season. Good luck, Marty! If we go into the season with Wallace, Perriman and Moore as the top 3 WRs, you are in serious trouble unless you can get them to "just play better". But what the heck, it will give the Flacco doubters and detractors some more cannon fodder. Not drafting a WR in this draft is symptomatic of a FO in denial, delusion or delirium. That's what is simple. In fact, its so simple its offensive (pun intended).

1. Well most of them have potential because they've only been in the league for about a year. By definition, that's what the majority of second year players in this league have in this league at this point. If teams wrote off all those players after a year, they'd be missing out on studs quite often.

2. Waller is a WR because we had like 7 TEs at the time, and he offers very little as a blocker, which is a requirement for a TE.

3. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who our "top 3 WRs" are, because three receivers aren't producing in this offense. They never have, regardless of who the OC is.

Two WRs can produce, 1-2 TEs can produce, and a RB can produce. That's it. If your third WR is catching like 50-60 passes, that means we're throwing the ball 600+ times a season. That means we aren't running the ball effectively and we're losing games.

4. I mean I guess we could have drafted a WR, but obviously it wasn't happening in the first round, since the only one's worth that price tag were long gone before we picked. I only saw 3 go in the 2nd round, and I wasn't impressed with any of them outside of Zay Jones, who again, went long before we picked.

So I guess we could have used a 3rd round pick or later on a guy, but obviously its naive to think they're going to come in and start for us right away.

funny how you use the word "obviously" while trying to make your points. The only thing that is obvious is it's your opinion, and not fact

[rmcjacket23]

  26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  12 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

  19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The only "surprise" of the offseason thus far is the failure to sign a possession receiver, though the offseason obviously isn't even close to being over yet.

Would point out that the FO has already stated publicly that they feel pretty good about internal options at RT and at ILB, and so fans need to start taking notice of this and understand that its simply not a realistic expectation to have 22 starting spots locked down in May.

Very easily may be August before we even know who is going to be starting at those positions, and those players may or may not even be on the roster at this point.

I also would point out something I've been telling you guys for months... don't expect wholesale changes in terms of acquisitions on the offensive side of the ball, mainly because its easily the youngest side of the ball.

We've got youth at WR, TE, RB, and in some ways OLine. In many ways, I think the FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. The defense had age issues at a lot of spots, and those seem to be addressed pretty well at this point.

You nailed it! The FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. That's so easy to say. I am sure OC Marty will be relieved to hear it. Let's see. He has Wallace, Waller, Moore, Perriman, Matthews, Campanero and now Woodhead. Of the entire bunch, only two have proven they are starters - Wallace and Woodhead. The others have some potential but that's the worse thing you can say about an athlete. I would like to see Q come back to Bmore for an encore but don't count on it after the way the FO treated him after the SB. Ask yourself why Waller is a WR and not a TE. Get Perriman to make the routine chain-moving catches a pro is supposed to make for his QB instead of an occasional circus catch. Keep Campanero healthy for a whole season. Good luck, Marty! If we go into the season with Wallace, Perriman and Moore as the top 3 WRs, you are in serious trouble unless you can get them to "just play better". But what the heck, it will give the Flacco doubters and detractors some more cannon fodder. Not drafting a WR in this draft is symptomatic of a FO in denial, delusion or delirium. That's what is simple. In fact, its so simple its offensive (pun intended).

1. Well most of them have potential because they've only been in the league for about a year. By definition, that's what the majority of second year players in this league have in this league at this point. If teams wrote off all those players after a year, they'd be missing out on studs quite often.

2. Waller is a WR because we had like 7 TEs at the time, and he offers very little as a blocker, which is a requirement for a TE.

3. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who our "top 3 WRs" are, because three receivers aren't producing in this offense. They never have, regardless of who the OC is.

Two WRs can produce, 1-2 TEs can produce, and a RB can produce. That's it. If your third WR is catching like 50-60 passes, that means we're throwing the ball 600+ times a season. That means we aren't running the ball effectively and we're losing games.

4. I mean I guess we could have drafted a WR, but obviously it wasn't happening in the first round, since the only one's worth that price tag were long gone before we picked. I only saw 3 go in the 2nd round, and I wasn't impressed with any of them outside of Zay Jones, who again, went long before we picked.

So I guess we could have used a 3rd round pick or later on a guy, but obviously its naive to think they're going to come in and start for us right away.

funny how you use the word "obviously" while trying to make your points. The only thing that is obvious is it's your opinion, and not fact

Well and the opinion of the other NFL teams in the league who decided to not use a first round pick on a WR.

And OBVIOUSLY, their opinions of players seem to matter just a little bit more than the opinions of fans.

[budman]

37 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or he could just resign with Detroit, who also wants him back. All indications so far is that's precisely what will happen.

We're not the only team looking for a veteran chain mover, and there are several of them that can pitch the "come here and compete to win a SB" concept better than the Ravens can at this point.

What indications? They said they wanted him back, we said we want him back. He has said nothing. NO indications there.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or he could just resign with Detroit, who also wants him back. All indications so far is that's precisely what will happen.

We're not the only team looking for a veteran chain mover, and there are several of them that can pitch the "come here and compete to win a SB" concept better than the Ravens can at this point.

What indications? They said they wanted him back, we said we want him back. He has said nothing. NO indications there.

Free agent Anquan Boldin is undecided on playing football in 2017.
Boldin stated after Detroit's playoff loss that he would like to play another year, but he may be having second thoughts at age 36. Per Lions.com's Tim Twentyman, Boldin is "open to returning" to Detroit if he indeed keeps playing. Boldin's playmaking ability evaporated long ago, but he can still help an offense on third downs and in the red zone. He caught eight TDs in 2016.
Source: Tim Twentyman on Twitter Feb 3 - 8:36 PM

ESPN's Jim Trotter reports free agent WR Anquan Boldin will return for his 15th season.
Boldin played for the Lions last year, but the Detroit Free Press' Dave Birkett has "heard" Boldin may want to remain close to his Florida home. The veteran caught 67 passes for 584 yards and eight touchdowns in 2016. Still a useful possession and red-zone target, Boldin will be an asset wherever he lands.
Related: Lions
Source: Jim Trotter on Twitter Mar 13 - 12:07 PM

So you've got two different things here (neither of which has anything to do with Baltimore). One report from February indicating he'd like to return to Detroit, and another in March indicating he'd like to play closer to home in Florida.

What we don't have whatsoever is any indication that he wants to return to Baltimore.

[The Mom Gene]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or he could just resign with Detroit, who also wants him back. All indications so far is that's precisely what will happen.

We're not the only team looking for a veteran chain mover, and there are several of them that can pitch the "come here and compete to win a SB" concept better than the Ravens can at this point.

hence why he said he was going to wait until after the draft to make a decision.

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Free agent Anquan Boldin is undecided on playing football in 2017.
Boldin stated after Detroit's playoff loss that he would like to play another year, but he may be having second thoughts at age 36. Per Lions.com's Tim Twentyman, Boldin is "open to returning" to Detroit if he indeed keeps playing. Boldin's playmaking ability evaporated long ago, but he can still help an offense on third downs and in the red zone. He caught eight TDs in 2016.
Source: Tim Twentyman on Twitter Feb 3 - 8:36 PM

ESPN's Jim Trotter reports free agent WR Anquan Boldin will return for his 15th season.
Boldin played for the Lions last year, but the Detroit Free Press' Dave Birkett has "heard" Boldin may want to remain close to his Florida home. The veteran caught 67 passes for 584 yards and eight touchdowns in 2016. Still a useful possession and red-zone target, Boldin will be an asset wherever he lands.
Related: Lions
Source: Jim Trotter on Twitter Mar 13 - 12:07 PM

So you've got two different things here (neither of which has anything to do with Baltimore). One report from February indicating he'd like to return to Detroit, and another in March indicating he'd like to play closer to home in Florida.

What we don't have whatsoever is any indication that he wants to return to Baltimore.

except there were articles like this that came out in 2014 and thereafter indicating such...

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Anquan-Boldin-Eyes-Return-to-Baltimore/e044b16f-c57f-47fe-8f83-6c200b5b74b9

 

And This....

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/29/15097620/john-harbaugh-is-open-to-an-anquan-boldin-return-baltimore-ravens-reunion

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or he could just resign with Detroit, who also wants him back. All indications so far is that's precisely what will happen.

We're not the only team looking for a veteran chain mover, and there are several of them that can pitch the "come here and compete to win a SB" concept better than the Ravens can at this point.

hence why he said he was going to wait until after the draft to make a decision.

No, he's waiting until the summer so he doesn't have to go through an offseason program with a team, mostly because he probably doesn't want to.

Note that he didn't resign with the Lions until late July last year... that's almost 3 months after the draft. Not a coincidence that it falls in line with when training camps begin.

That's when you'd expect him to make a decision.

[The Mom Gene]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, he's waiting until the summer so he doesn't have to go through an offseason program with a team, mostly because he probably doesn't want to.

Note that he didn't resign with the Lions until late July last year... that's almost 3 months after the draft. Not a coincidence that it falls in line with when training camps begin.

That's when you'd expect him to make a decision.

So again, that would be "your guess"...  Just sayin'  NOWHERE have I seen that statement.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Free agent Anquan Boldin is undecided on playing football in 2017.
Boldin stated after Detroit's playoff loss that he would like to play another year, but he may be having second thoughts at age 36. Per Lions.com's Tim Twentyman, Boldin is "open to returning" to Detroit if he indeed keeps playing. Boldin's playmaking ability evaporated long ago, but he can still help an offense on third downs and in the red zone. He caught eight TDs in 2016.
Source: Tim Twentyman on Twitter Feb 3 - 8:36 PM

ESPN's Jim Trotter reports free agent WR Anquan Boldin will return for his 15th season.
Boldin played for the Lions last year, but the Detroit Free Press' Dave Birkett has "heard" Boldin may want to remain close to his Florida home. The veteran caught 67 passes for 584 yards and eight touchdowns in 2016. Still a useful possession and red-zone target, Boldin will be an asset wherever he lands.
Related: Lions
Source: Jim Trotter on Twitter Mar 13 - 12:07 PM

So you've got two different things here (neither of which has anything to do with Baltimore). One report from February indicating he'd like to return to Detroit, and another in March indicating he'd like to play closer to home in Florida.

What we don't have whatsoever is any indication that he wants to return to Baltimore.

except there were articles like this that came out in 2014 and thereafter indicating such...

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Anquan-Boldin-Eyes-Return-to-Baltimore/e044b16f-c57f-47fe-8f83-6c200b5b74b9

 

And This....

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/29/15097620/john-harbaugh-is-open-to-an-anquan-boldin-return-baltimore-ravens-reunion

 

 

1. The first article (from 2014, which makes it kind of hard to be relevant to 2017), references his desire to play AGAINST the Ravens, not his desire to resign with them.

2. I don't understand the point of the second article you posted. All it says is that Harbaugh wants him back.

We know this. Its been regurgitated over and over and over and over and over again by the fans who don't know what year it is.

Show me the article where Boldin says he's interested in returning to Baltimore. Because last I checked, its not up to Harbaugh. Harbaugh can want anybody he wants... it doesn't matter if that person doesn't want him.

As I've said many times... I wouldn't come back if I were him. Detroit's in a better position to win than we are right now, and so are other teams that could easily use his services.

Maybe he does sign with us. It would certainly surprise me. Because I can't answer the "why".

[Purple Dawg 96]

The grade I give Ozzie and Co. in the draft is an "A" ! But can Joe get us going or is it going to be another year of unnecessary finger pointing and excuse after excuse why Joe can't get us in the endzone blaming the O line or WRs! Ozzie and Co . get A's every year but it up to Joe to make it come together! Bellichick can get players from very small schools because he has Brady but people want Ozzie and Co. to go out and get all these big name players with big price tags! The goal is to win a Super Bowl with the lowest payroll! The Squeelers just started spending money on players and the pats are practicing the same method!

[The Mom Gene]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The first article (from 2014, which makes it kind of hard to be relevant to 2017), references his desire to play AGAINST the Ravens, not his desire to resign with them.

2. I don't understand the point of the second article you posted. All it says is that Harbaugh wants him back.

We know this. Its been regurgitated over and over and over and over and over again by the fans who don't know what year it is.

Show me the article where Boldin says he's interested in returning to Baltimore. Because last I checked, its not up to Harbaugh. Harbaugh can want anybody he wants... it doesn't matter if that person doesn't want him.

As I've said many times... I wouldn't come back if I were him. Detroit's in a better position to win than we are right now, and so are other teams that could easily use his services.

Maybe he does sign with us. It would certainly surprise me. Because I can't answer the "why".

Ya' know Jacket..  Unless it's spelled right out there for ya' sometimes you just don't get it.  CAN'T FANS HAVE SOME FUN WITH THIS?  Everything has to be so darned serious.

The second article points out that the organization is open to him returning...  The first article clearly states that he would be open to returning.  Old or not, if he decided to return, it would be possible. 

AND...  like I said 3 days ago..  His jersey number did just become available. 

 

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

The grade I give Ozzie and Co. in the draft is an "A" ! But can Joe get us going or is it going to be another year of unnecessary finger pointing and excuse after excuse why Joe can't get us in the endzone blaming the O line or WRs! Ozzie and Co . get A's every year but it up to Joe to make it come together! Bellichick can get players from very small schools because he has Brady but people want Ozzie and Co. to go out and get all these big name players with big price tags! The goal is to win a Super Bowl with the lowest payroll! The Squeelers just started spending money on players and the pats are practicing the same method!

ACTUALLY, The O-Line really has been AWFUL for the past 2 or 3 years.

[rmcjacket23]

  6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The first article (from 2014, which makes it kind of hard to be relevant to 2017), references his desire to play AGAINST the Ravens, not his desire to resign with them.

2. I don't understand the point of the second article you posted. All it says is that Harbaugh wants him back.

We know this. Its been regurgitated over and over and over and over and over again by the fans who don't know what year it is.

Show me the article where Boldin says he's interested in returning to Baltimore. Because last I checked, its not up to Harbaugh. Harbaugh can want anybody he wants... it doesn't matter if that person doesn't want him.

As I've said many times... I wouldn't come back if I were him. Detroit's in a better position to win than we are right now, and so are other teams that could easily use his services.

Maybe he does sign with us. It would certainly surprise me. Because I can't answer the "why".

Ya' know Jacket..  Unless it's spelled right out there for ya' sometimes you just don't get it.  CAN'T FANS HAVE SOME FUN WITH THIS?  Everything has to be so darned serious.

The second article points out that the organization is open to him returning...  The first article clearly states that he would be open to returning.  Old or not, if he decided to return, it would be possible. 

AND...  like I said 3 days ago..  His jersey number did just become available. 

 

1. Yes, we know the organization is open to him returning. Not sure why you felt the need to point that out. I'm not sure a day has gone by in over a month where a Ravens article hasn't referenced this.

Did you really think you were breaking news or something?

2. Actually, the article never once mentions anything about him being open to returning. I assume you read the headline and THOUGHT that's what it meant, but you clearly didn't read the article.

The headline was in reference to his desire to return to Baltimore to play AGAINST the Ravens. That's AGAINST the Ravens, not for the Ravens. If you read the first few sentences, you would have realized this.

Here are the actual snidbits from the article where Anquan actually speaks:

"It will be a chance to say goodbye to the fans in a proper way. I really wasn't afforded that opportunity; I got traded while I was away. Getting to practice at (M&T Bank Stadium), be around the fans, will be cool."

A guy saying that he's looking forward to coming back to a city so he can formally say goodbye to it is quite a bit different than him saying that he wants to come back.

I get that you'd WANT him to say this, but he's not saying what you want him to say.

[rmcjacket23]

  12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, he's waiting until the summer so he doesn't have to go through an offseason program with a team, mostly because he probably doesn't want to.

Note that he didn't resign with the Lions until late July last year... that's almost 3 months after the draft. Not a coincidence that it falls in line with when training camps begin.

That's when you'd expect him to make a decision.

So again, that would be "your guess"...  Just sayin'  NOWHERE have I seen that statement.

Statement from him saying that? No, you haven't seen that. Just like you haven't seen him say that he wants to play for the Ravens.

Reports from people around the NFL? Yes, you've seen plenty of those. Plenty of those have indicated he won't sign until close to training camp.

Here's one in particular that references their expectation that he won't sign until June or July.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/anquan-boldin-could-still-re-sign-with-lions/

What I said was a guess. It was also an EDUCATED one. There en lies the difference.

[The Mom Gene]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Statement from him saying that? No, you haven't seen that. Just like you haven't seen him say that he wants to play for the Ravens.

Reports from people around the NFL? Yes, you've seen plenty of those. Plenty of those have indicated he won't sign until close to training camp.

Here's one in particular that references their expectation that he won't sign until June or July.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/anquan-boldin-could-still-re-sign-with-lions/

What I said was a guess. It was also an EDUCATED one. There en lies the difference.

So yours is an educated one.... and everybody else's on here is not.  Come on man.  Lots of us have read the very same articles. Like I said, based on information that has been reported and what is out there we are making guesses just like you are.  You're condescending comments are not quite so intimidating to me.  My information is as reliable as yours.  Just have fun and move on.

[rmcjacket23]

  14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Statement from him saying that? No, you haven't seen that. Just like you haven't seen him say that he wants to play for the Ravens.

Reports from people around the NFL? Yes, you've seen plenty of those. Plenty of those have indicated he won't sign until close to training camp.

Here's one in particular that references their expectation that he won't sign until June or July.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/anquan-boldin-could-still-re-sign-with-lions/

What I said was a guess. It was also an EDUCATED one. There en lies the difference.

So yours is an educated one.... and everybody else's on here is not.  Come on man.  Lots of us have read the very same articles. Like I said, based on information that has been reported and what is out there we are making guesses just like you are.  You're condescending comments are not quite so intimidating to me.  My information is as reliable as yours.  Just have fun and move on.

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

[rmcjacket23]

  43 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I guess you missed the part where you have nothing further to add and you need not reply.

I thought mods were supposed to be grown ups? Apples fallen very, very, very far from the tree in this case.

Being manipulative is bad enough.

[Purple Dawg 96]

  6 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

The grade I give Ozzie and Co. in the draft is an "A" ! But can Joe get us going or is it going to be another year of unnecessary finger pointing and excuse after excuse why Joe can't get us in the endzone blaming the O line or WRs! Ozzie and Co . get A's every year but it up to Joe to make it come together! Bellichick can get players from very small schools because he has Brady but people want Ozzie and Co. to go out and get all these big name players with big price tags! The goal is to win a Super Bowl with the lowest payroll! The Squeelers just started spending money on players and the pats are practicing the same method!

ACTUALLY, The O-Line really has been AWFUL for the past 2 or 3 years.

Look at big Bens medical records and look at Joes! And Andrew Luck was sacked more than Joe and he was doing better!

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one

I wrote this to you Mom Gene in case there was confusion there

[The Mom Gene]

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I wrote this to you Mom Gene in case there was confusion there

Thanks...  Yes, there are some here that believe their opinions are always the right one.  No other opinion is acceptable.

[Halshayeji]

19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I guess you missed the part where you have nothing further to add and you need not reply.

I thought mods were supposed to be grown ups? Apples fallen very, very, very far from the tree in this case.

Being manipulative is bad enough.

Chilax bro......

detroit just drafted a big target in the third round so theyr probably not bringing Boldin back. If fans want to believe we have a better chance of landing Q then let it be.

and calling someone childish because they disagree with your opinion is not so grown up....

[rmcjacket23]

  22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I guess you missed the part where you have nothing further to add and you need not reply.

I thought mods were supposed to be grown ups? Apples fallen very, very, very far from the tree in this case.

Being manipulative is bad enough.

Chilax bro......

detroit just drafted a big target in the third round so theyr probably not bringing Boldin back. If fans want to believe we have a better chance of landing Q then let it be.

and calling someone childish because they disagree with your opinion is not so grown up....

LOL, that's not why I called her childish.

I called her childish because she attempted to support her opinion with an article that she very clearly didn't bother to read, because she thought it said something that it never said.

And I called her childish because I told her to stop responding because she failed multiple times to make any sort of contribution to the discussion (outside of just re-posting an article that said something everybody is already talking about), and yet she continued to post replies to me after ironically telling somebody else to "move on" (which she very clearly didn't do herself and still hasn't).

How is that not childish?

[rmcjacket23]

  22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I guess you missed the part where you have nothing further to add and you need not reply.

I thought mods were supposed to be grown ups? Apples fallen very, very, very far from the tree in this case.

Being manipulative is bad enough.

Chilax bro......

detroit just drafted a big target in the third round so theyr probably not bringing Boldin back. If fans want to believe we have a better chance of landing Q then let it be.

and calling someone childish because they disagree with your opinion is not so grown up....

And do you really think that the Lions using a 3rd round pick on an extremely raw WR means they're done at the position?

Heck, if WE drafted a 3rd rounder, do you think the fanbase or the team would be content with what we have? We don't even trust a 1st rounder in his 3rd year... what makes you think another team is going to trust a raw 3rd rounder to make up for that production in his rookie year?

I doubt they're done looking to add receivers, just like other teams in the league aren't done. Detroit isn't the only team that would be interested.

[rmcjacket23]

  23 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one

That's on you. I can only lead the horse to the water... I can't make him drink.

Some people like to listen to opinions that actually have basis and substance, as opposed to one's that involve sticking your thumb up your butt and seeing what comes out.

There en lies the difference between myself and "other posters". Some just want to have their opinion, no matter how stupid or baseless it may be. They just want to give a "fresh hot sports take". Nobody will ever accuse me of doing this, because I'm actually taking the time to gain information as opposed to making claims and praying that they are right later.

I'm interested in getting it right... a lot of you are just interested in being right.

Major generational difference between the two of us.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, that's not why I called her childish.

I called her childish because she attempted to support her opinion with an article that she very clearly didn't bother to read, because she thought it said something that it never said.

And I called her childish because I told her to stop responding because she failed multiple times to make any sort of contribution to the discussion (outside of just re-posting an article that said something everybody is already talking about), and yet she continued to post replies to me after ironically telling somebody else to "move on" (which she very clearly didn't do herself and still hasn't).

How is that not childish?

All I'm saying is that you can attack anyone's opinion not them as a person. There's probably a hundred times where I felt like telling someone (your and ideot) and I probably would have been right at that point but your a regular here and this place is a bit classier than that. Heck you are classier than that. That's all im sayin

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And do you really think that the Lions using a 3rd round pick on an extremely raw WR means they're done at the position?

Heck, if WE drafted a 3rd rounder, do you think the fanbase or the team would be content with what we have? We don't even trust a 1st rounder in his 3rd year... what makes you think another team is going to trust a raw 3rd rounder to make up for that production in his rookie year?

I doubt they're done looking to add receivers, just like other teams in the league aren't done. Detroit isn't the only team that would be interested.

Yes. The reason they drafted him was to replace Q. Comparing that situation to our situation is just wrong. In Detroit Q was the third WR and they have zero cap space. So it's safe to assume that they're  mooving on without him. 

The funny thing is that I'm on your side and don't think Q is the best option at this point in his career. But I acgnowlidged that there is a chance we sign him. Even if it's 1 percent. You refuse to let that pass.

i can only speak of myself but I remember sometime last year when you and I had multiple discussions about the salary cap and signing Free Agents. I made valid points and so did you. Except You went as far as to call me out and say i must be crazy. You said stuff like "end of discussion and this is a fact!" When all I was trying to show you is that salary cap space can be and should be freed up last year. Guess what, we did free up a lot of cap space and signed a few good guys when you said its impossible and mocked me like I was out of my mind. Heck you were wrong but I don't hold that against you because I know you were just passionate about our Ravens. Other people may take it the wrong way and you certainly wouldn't like people speaking to you in the same tone that you sometime speak to others.

You once called someone a flat out "Troll" and you may have been right about his action. You certainly were wrong to call him a troll. Call out his action, neg him, or ignore. The difference between calling someone a troll or saying this comment seems like your trolling is heaven and hell

 

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, that's not why I called her childish.

I called her childish because she attempted to support her opinion with an article that she very clearly didn't bother to read, because she thought it said something that it never said.

And I called her childish because I told her to stop responding because she failed multiple times to make any sort of contribution to the discussion (outside of just re-posting an article that said something everybody is already talking about), and yet she continued to post replies to me after ironically telling somebody else to "move on" (which she very clearly didn't do herself and still hasn't).

How is that not childish?

All I'm saying is that you can attack anyone's opinion not them as a person. There's probably a hundred times where I felt like telling someone (your and ideot) and I probably would have been right at that point but your a regular here and this place is a bit classier than that. Heck you are classier than that. That's all im sayin

1. This place certainly isn't classier than that.

2. I attack somebody personally when they intentionally try to manipulate something that somebody else wrote to further their own agenda or make their weak argument look better.

That's not voicing an opinion. That's just being a jerk, plain and simple.

If somebody is going to act that way, and especially when its in a conversation with me, they are absolutely going to be called out for it, because they've at least earned that much.