[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Draft Illustrates Major Philosophical Shift

[riseNConquer81]

9 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

The 2k Ravens did not go 8-8. They went 12-4 and won the SB.

that was the wrong record, and i know we won the superbowl.
point stands either way. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

On 5/1/2017 at 9:46 AM, fusuymada said:

I do not believe that going all defense in free agency and the draft(except for a couple late round O lineman) and is not consistent with how the rules of the game have changed and how other successful teams are handling free agency and the draft. However, I will say basically that it seems Bisciotti is happy with mediocrity. He will say pretty much he doesn't know much about the football stuff and he leaves it to those who know, however, I would hope he is smart enough to realize his offense was 24th in the league and has done virtually nothing in free agency, when quality players were out there and the draft is suspect this year regardless of the high grades we received. Let remember, after drafting Elam and Brown we got an A+ grade from most of the pundits and how did that turn out. Draft grades mean nothing for three years and everyone will tell you that. Hopefully I am wrong but I don't think I am but I will be silent and spew no more negativity till we see how some of these guys turn out. Later folks.

Different teams have different players - you can't compare. What you could see last year is that Flacco and the "mediocre" offense had final minute game winning drives against Oakland (twice), the Giants & the Squealers only to see the defense give it away. If that doesn't happen, we are 11-5 without adding a "playmaker" on offense (If Perriman gets the foot down against the Skins that's a 12-4 record). Same with the play-off game in 2014 - 2 x 14 point leads against the Pansies. I bet Stevie B is tired of watching the defense give games away.

All last year, everyone cried that we had no secondary and no pass rush. Ozzie adds studs AND depth at both and now everyone is crying about a WR & RT. It's not Madden, can't fill every hole in one off-season. The maturation of Perriman & Moore should easily make up the difference of losing a declining SSS. Orr's loss hurts but Peanut is more than capable of filling in. Lewis, Nembot, Wesley are capable of handling the RT spot. Maybe not at the level of Wagner, but come on - that's the ONLY spot where we got "worse". Defense got significantly better and will be for the next 4 years. In one of the worst draft classes for WR & OL, why would you take a gamble on those positions? Next year's draft class for WR is the best since 2014 - same goes for OT.

It's chess not checkers - at least 5 moves ahead.

Edited yesterday at 01:41 AM by TheConquerorWorm

[Halshayeji]

On April 30, 2017 at 9:11 PM, law215 said:

I have just as critical of OZ recent drafts as anybody. What I like about this draft, is that it address the needs. After Mike Williams and Cory Davis were, I don't trust Ravens drafting a WR. When has that ever paid huge dividends?

Should they not draft pass rushers because they have Kafusi, Correa, and Judon? Not draft a corner because they got 31 yr old B. Carr? So go into another season praying J. Smith stays healthy and add some mid round corner to cover guys like Brown, Bryant, Green?

Oz, needs to follow up by doing what he has done successfully. Find a vet Wr (Boldin, Cruz, V Jackson are available), wait for cuts to fill in pieces and depth.

V jax is done! Boldin and Cruz are huge question marks at this point. I'm hoping for something better than just that as much as I liked all three maybe 3 years ago 

[Halshayeji]

On April 30, 2017 at 9:15 PM, RavensBaltimore said:

I don't see how you can say he had adequate skill players when his top playmaker by far was a 37 y/o coming off an Achilles tear, who's play was diminishing the year before he got here. Then it was Wallace, who's career was taking a nose dive before he got here. People are acting like we gave Joe a legit chance to carry the team, but who did we draft for him? A bunch of TEs that can't stay healthy and Perriman, who has had one healthy season and was still very raw. Plus the line has had trouble opening up holes in the running game and giving Joe time to throw recently. There is not a qb in the league who could successfully carry a team with that. The only time hes had a realistic chance since the SB was 2014, and the offense put up at least 30 in consecutive playoff games. Even then, he didn't have a great receiving corps, just a solid one, but that's all he needs. You absolutely can build a team around Joe, but he needs more than aging veterans who are in decline, as everyone does.

Your just defending Joe and throwing everyone else under the bus!

 

We had a pro bowl TE, a second and third round TE. SSS was still balling untill he retired, Wallace had a thousand yards and perriman is a first rounder. Backing them up was Aiken who had 900 yards the year before. On the Oline, we had 3 pro bowlers and a first rounder?! A pro bowl full back!!!

 

stop throwing everyone under the bus! A lot of QBs would have gotten something out of that group! Sure they wouldn't get 5000 yards and be top 5 but they certainly wouldn't be amongst the worst in the league in efficiency.

 

Of you have to blame someone other than Joe then blame play calling or scheme but don't go around calling everyone around Joe a bust when he's the QB and it ultimately comes down to him.

 

when the O does good, Joe gets the majority of the credit because he throws them the ball. Regardless of how talented the offense is, the QB gets most of the credit when it's clicking. On the flip side, you have to accept that the QB carries the majority of the blame when it doesn't work. 

[Halshayeji]

On May 1, 2017 at 4:26 PM, mendii said:

Let the defense carry the offense. Was a rookie wide receiver going to turn the offense around overnight? We've got some competition on the o-line, RB situation is fine, TEs are above average too. My guess is we're gonna bring in Mangold sooner than later, and then I think our offense looks good enough to be carried by the defense and Tuck's leg. Just like the good ol' days. I'm down.

Thank you!

finally some sense. Rookie WRs struggle year one. That's the norm! Odell beckhams of the world are the exceptions 

[Halshayeji]

On May 1, 2017 at 0:40 AM, bioLarzen said:

That sounds all nice - but going back to the good old tried-and-true philosophy of putting it all on the shoulders of the D will make it very, very hard to justify a QB at the top of the payroll list... It's like saying I'll take the train to work, but still keep my Lexus...
If they really want to win with the D, Flacco is a luxury. Ryan Mallett is more than capable of manging a Dilfer-like role.

I'm not saying Flacco should be cut, of course - it's just that it's not this easy to "just make a shift"... As long as we have an expensive QB we simply cannot say the O will be the service department to the D

Well Iv been critical of Joes play at times and do believe that he's overpaid but not by much.

sure Mallett can carve out a Dilfer like role for a year then he'll demand 14-18 million in the open market just like all the Dilfer like QBs out there. Joe is better than just that and should demand around 20ish because he has a big arm and doesn't crumble under pressure. "At least untill his injury"

Il gladly pay an extra 5 mil if it ensures having a consistant QB and not rolling the dice every year on a different guy.

my main problem is when our FO tried to justify paying Joe close to 25 mil a year by bringing in high volume throwing coordinators. Then asked Joe to throw 40 times a game. Just play to his damn strengh and make sacrifices anywhere else if you have to.

and most importantly, don't give the highest paid QB another pay raise when he's coming off a horrible season and a torn ACL. That's my problem.

otherwise Joe is our guy. Let him first off play action and stretch the field with a few long bombs here and there. Don't abuse throwing the ball just because you have a 25 mil dollar QB. Let the game come to him

[gooftroop]

On 4/30/2017 at 5:47 PM, bioLarzen said:

It was the defense that kept the Patriots at 13 points in the AFC Championship game, with a big goose egg for the entire second half...

 

So yeah, it wasn't a very bad defense...

Who said it was "very bad"? Not me. And I didn't mention anything about a single half of football, either...