Grade the Front Office

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No matter what you may think, at least we don't have the bengals FO. 

I am legitimately shocked they haven't tried to get Greg hardy back in the league.

Really hard to justify signing someone who beat a woman even without video... oh, wait...

[rossihunter2]

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No matter what you may think, at least we don't have the bengals FO. 

I am legitimately shocked they haven't tried to get Greg hardy back in the league.

i mean maybe they'll try and reanimate aaron hernandez too...

[balfan23]

6 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

I grade the draft a C+ . Here's an analysis from

one publication : 

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The Baltimore Ravens had the league's seventh-ranked defense last season. Only four teams recorded more takeaways, and only three surrendered fewer first downs. They lost two key offensive players—tackle Ricky Wagner and fullback Kyle Juszczyk—in free agency, but retained top defensive free agent Brandon Williams. 

And yet in the first three rounds of the draft, a team in desperate team of reinforcements for quarterback Joe Flacco used all four of its draft picks on defensive players. And it's not even clear there are starting roles for cornerback Marlon Humphrey, linebacker Tyus Bowser, defensive end Chris Wormley or linebacker Tim Williams. 

These were, generally, picks for the future, which is odd for a team that continues to lose important offensive players and has posted a winning record just once in the last four years. 

Did the Ravens really have that luxury? They're putting a lot of eggs in questionable baskets on that side of the ball, which could end badly with guys like the unproven Breshad Perriman, the old and recently injured Danny Woodhead and whoever replaces Wagner. 

This doesn't appear to be a team moving in the right direction.

 

Well, what this basically says is that the draft philosophy of reaching for need is better than taking the best player available. Our FO and most successful ones don't agree.

I think the writer embellishes a bit ... not sure I'd really call Juice a key offensive player. I just don't feel like we're going to lose a lot from his departure. Yes, Wagner was key and needs to be replaced. But do we get his replacement in the draft by selecting someone like Robinson or Ramczyk instead of Humphrey, if we have Humphrey rated significantly higher? Organizations that do such things don't succeed. 

If Humphrey meets the FO's expectation, he will be starting. Did this writer even watch our team play last year, or did he only look up some stats to quote for the article?  The lack of depth in our secondary was ultimately our Achilles heel and come the end of the season, our edge rush pretty much disappeared. Both positions were clear needs. 

Bottom line - as Ozzie said, the draft ends, but our roster is by no means set. We will (hopefully) aggressively pursue players who can help NOW at the positions most needed (O line and WR). These were picks for the future, because that;s what good organizations do - draft for the future. If this is an organization moving in the wrong direction - it is not because they drafted only defensive players in the early going. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Humphrey is the db we gave been waiting for to squash what New England does. Ozzie and the front office gets gold stars for this pick. Those who are giving us a B, are clueless. This will go down as one of the best drafts in our History, with Humphrey leading the way. Shut down corner on the short stuff, he will eliminate Edelman, and force Brady to try and beat us in other ways, while we pancake him on the blitz. I cant wait to see it. You heard it from me first. Defense wins Championships!

[atomicfront]

I can't really judge them right now. I have to see the players at least in pre-season.  But if this draft turns out to be a failure and the team has a losing season this will probably the last any of them are involved in drafting NFL Players.   

[RayRayRaven]

4 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Humphrey is the db we gave been waiting for to squash what New England does. Ozzie and the front office gets gold stars for this pick. Those who are giving us a B, are clueless. This will go down as one of the best drafts in our History, with Humphrey leading the way. Shut down corner on the short stuff, he will eliminate Edelman, and force Brady to try and beat us in other ways, while we pancake him on the blitz. I cant wait to see it. You heard it from me first. Defense wins Championships!

he wil be outta the league in four jus like cleats

maybe we sign him to five and exten the tormant  you can only grapple for five yards and if u thang humpf is quick doan worry he foold us to

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Really hard to justify signing someone who beat a woman even without video... oh, wait...

After thinking over the pick for a few days, it becomes even more despicable. It's like they did it just to be disgusting. Talent alone, mixon was a second rounder at best, so it's not like they were getting some big steal. If he was a fournette type of talent then it's another story, but he's not. So it's like they completely ignored the situation, he didn't fall on their boards at all because of this. And then they don't even need a RB.

[Cville-Raven]

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After thinking over the pick for a few days, it becomes even more despicable. It's like they did it just to be disgusting. Talent alone, mixon was a second rounder at best, so it's not like they were getting some big steal. If he was a fournette type of talent then it's another story, but he's not. So it's like they completely ignored the situation, he didn't fall on their boards at all because of this. And then they don't even need a RB.

If they were picking in the twenties I think they seriously would have even have taken him there. Immorality of the pick aside, who is he going to run behind? They let all of their best Lineman go in FA.

[Maryland]

Overall, I'm giving the Ravens a B. They attacked two of their biggest weaknesses, EDGE and OL, by doubling-up at those positions, but they completely ignored the skill positions on offense, WR and TE, which were considerable needs. All of the picks had value somewhere in the "B" range, I thought; no big steals or reaches. The offense is going to be frustrating to watch for 2017, but the defense should at least make games winnable. Here's hoping Ozzie homers Calvin Ridley in the 2018 draft. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

31 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Overall, I'm giving the Ravens a B. They attacked two of their biggest weaknesses, EDGE and OL, by doubling-up at those positions, but they completely ignored the skill positions on offense, WR and TE, which were considerable needs. All of the picks had value somewhere in the "B" range, I thought; no big steals or reaches. The offense is going to be frustrating to watch for 2017, but the defense should at least make games winnable. Here's hoping Ozzie homers Calvin Ridley in the 2018 draft. 

You're very generous! Giving the FO the benefit of the doubt, I'd give them a C at best. The defense certainly needed to be revamped and the draft picks we chose should certainly help turn around the D. Having said that, giving the FO a grade higher than a C is questionable, considering the woeful O-line that Joe has to rely upon. It is absolutely unbelievable that James Worst (I mean Hurst is still on our roster). I'm glad Zuttah was sent packing but our O-line has had no continuity since way back in 2012. The run blocking is marginally adequate and the pass-blocking is woefully inadequate. It takes a great O-line to set up long deep pass patterns and Joe simply  does not have enough protection to throw a deep ball to a wide open receiver.

It is disingenuous and ludicrous for the FO to say that in order for the Ravens to be more successful Joe Flacco needs to play better and yet to have failed so miserably to draft anybody of any noteworthiness on the offensive side. Two lower round O-linemen, neither of whom is a center, just doesn't make it appear that the FO gives a hoot about giving Joe the weapons he needs to be successful. For those uninformed fans who think Ryan Mallett can run the offense better than Joe, think again. When Mallett beat the Steelers, that game was absolutely a gift from the Steelers. In the 2017 draft, four offensive players were drafted after our pick number 78 and before pick 85 and two or three were wide receivers. It is obvious that Ozzie had no intention of trying to help Joe "play better". This draft definitely exposed three things about our FO - its apparent tunnel vision, its lack of objectivity and a draconian change in philosophy. Its time for the Wizard to get in his hot air balloon and return to Kansas before he wears out his welcome in the City of Charm. With arguably the best defense of all time in the 2000 Super Bowl year, Trent Dilfer had more dependable weapons than Joe Flacco has. They were Shannon Sharpe, Brandon Stokely, Jamaal Lewis, among others, as well as a pretty good return specialist, named Jermaine Lewis. We also had some stellar coaching on both sides of the ball in Brian Billick and Marvin Lewis. 

Our only hope is that the FO knows something that we don't know when it comes to signing some more players who are in the twilight of their careers but still have some gas left in the tank. Its a bandaid approach at best but its the only chance we have to be a contender this year.

So, the grade for the FO should be as follows: 

Defense - A

Offense - E

Average - C

[redrum52]

17 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

hoome of bravens I haveta tell you somethin. McKinnie grubs burk yanda oher bolden pita rice smith suggs lewis ngata reed pollard smith webb hurt graham Williams and worse of all tell ya in a minute. what those guys have in common? u aint talkin to a novice fan. you aint talkin to a rah rah fan. you aint talkin to a no nothin fan. you aint talkin to a fan that wears da purple and goes to the game cuz its da thang to do. you talkin to maybe the country greatest raven fan evah that canna stand the fall from the top. thatg canna stand being a 3rd class outfit that canna stand watchin complet incompatance that know and understan it the vary instant it happen. you are not talkin to the avarage fan jus be certain of that. now the thang is do you cheer when you are seein a thang collapse? do you cheeer when the otha team is scorin on you and chisalin your reputatshon and pride away?  do you still clap u hands and say this is what I luv this is how we roll? becuz a real fan doan roll like that.   now the worse thang of all is those names above what we kno now beyond any doubt is that they came togetha by accidant. it was only a penomena and not great understanin and know how.  and thatg is proofed by picin the only true no cova corna wiff our firse pic again this yr. he will not transform r team and will only start becuz he has to.  it is a trajedy

Are you gonna tell us who you really are before the boards close?

[Jonah DeVito]

F. For closing the boards. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

F. For closing the boards. 

We actually would need a grade Lower than this to emphasize how angry I am.

 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No matter what you may think, at least we don't have the bengals FO. 

I am legitimately shocked they haven't tried to get Greg hardy back in the league.

I'm going to enjoy seeing Andy Dalton underthrow John Ross while Tim Williams just utterly manhandles him because their oline sucks. 

[redrum52]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm going to enjoy seeing Andy Dalton underthrow John Ross while Tim Williams just utterly manhandles him because their oline sucks. 

Their line is actually worse than ours if that makes anyone feel better.

[Maryland]

@frozen joe flacco fan

I think if we're just grading the draft, it deserves a B. If we're grading the whole offseason, then a different grade might apply.

You can't realistically fill all your holes in one draft. They made each pick count until the Clark pick, and that was in the 6th round. We needed multiple pass-rushers, multiple O-Linemen, and CB depth (or possibly a better starter than Carr, who is old and declining). Replace any of the picks that were made with someone else and you have a hole or decreased depth somewhere else. 

Also, Siragusa was introduced during the post-draft presser as a center/guard, for whatever that's worth. Perhaps he can become that Center you're looking for. In the meantime, he can play LG, which is just as big of a hole.

Anyway, FA isn't over yet. They'll probably add a veteran WR and OL in free-agency before TC starts, maybe even Boldin or Mangold. They also could trade for someone or pick up a cap casualty before the season begins. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, redrum52 said:

Their line is actually worse than ours if that makes anyone feel better.

Yeah. Them getting Mixon is a scary proposition but I doubt he'd be going anywhere against our defense. Same goes for Ross. Eifert and Green are big threats but I could realistically see Dalton getting pressured on every down. 

[Davesta]

A lot of B- from "draft analysts." I tend to agree. Borderline B, C+. Selecting no offensive skill players is worrisome. Unless Ozzie gave Steve bisciotti a 2 year plan and promise to build him a offense next year. I understand the draft was defense heavy so a lot of teams reach on offense knowing they can grab a good defensive pick in later rounds, ozzie just sitting back and scooping up all the BPA defensive players, but still. Perriman, Wallace, and mike camp is your starting WRs. Dixon out for 4 games. Hmmm 

[Maryland]

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

A lot of B- from "draft analysts." I tend to agree. Borderline B, C+. Selecting no offensive skill players is worrisome. Unless Ozzie gave Steve bisciotti a 2 year plan and promise to build him a offense next year. I understand the draft was defense heavy so a lot of teams reach on offense knowing they can grab a good defensive pick in later rounds, ozzie just sitting back and scooping up all the BPA defensive players, but still. Perriman, Wallace, and mike camp is your starting WRs. Dixon out for 4 games. Hmmm 

Honestly, I'm pretty interested and excited to see how our young WRs will play. Will they stay healthy? Will they rise to the occasion? Or will they be injured? Will they outright suck? We'll get much-needed closure on Perriman, Moore, and Campanaro while having the excitement of watching a potential train-wreck! Haha!

[allblackraven]

58 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We actually would need a grade Lower than this to emphasize how angry I am.

 

 

G ?

[allblackraven]

57 minutes ago, Maryland said:

@frozen joe flacco fan

I think if we're just grading the draft, it deserves a B. If we're grading the whole offseason, then a different grade might apply.

You can't realistically fill all your holes in one draft. They made each pick count until the Clark pick, and that was in the 6th round. We needed multiple pass-rushers, multiple O-Linemen, and CB depth (or possibly a better starter than Carr, who is old and declining). Replace any of the picks that were made with someone else and you have a hole or decreased depth somewhere else. 

Also, Siragusa was introduced during the post-draft presser as a center/guard, for whatever that's worth. Perhaps he can become that Center you're looking for. In the meantime, he can play LG, which is just as big of a hole.

Anyway, FA isn't over yet. They'll probably add a veteran WR and OL in free-agency before TC starts, maybe even Boldin or Mangold. They also could trade for someone or pick up a cap casualty before the season begins. 

If you hit on high pick players you might be lucky to fill a couple but the way to do it is fill a hole in FA, build long term through draft. Hopefully we can do that to some extent on offense now.

Re Siragusa, I'm not sure why they keep emphasis on "C", Siragusa himself said that he never played a snap at center.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

If they were picking in the twenties I think they seriously would have even have taken him there. Immorality of the pick aside, who is he going to run behind? They let all of their best Lineman go in FA.

I don't think they factored in the incident whatsoever. I really don't. If he had a clean track record then he should go in the early second based on talent alone, but with these obvious disgusting character concerns he should go no earlier than the 5th but the bengals did not care even a little. It's almost like it motivated them to pick him, like they want horrible people to play for them and want to piss off the world by giving millions to ruthless woman beaters

[RayRayRaven]

5 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

You're very generous! Giving the FO the benefit of the doubt, I'd give them a C at best. The defense certainly needed to be revamped and the draft picks we chose should certainly help turn around the D. Having said that, giving the FO a grade higher than a C is questionable, considering the woeful O-line that Joe has to rely upon. It is absolutely unbelievable that James Worst (I mean Hurst is still on our roster). I'm glad Zuttah was sent packing but our O-line has had no continuity since way back in 2012. The run blocking is marginally adequate and the pass-blocking is woefully inadequate. It takes a great O-line to set up long deep pass patterns and Joe simply  does not have enough protection to throw a deep ball to a wide open receiver.

It is disingenuous and ludicrous for the FO to say that in order for the Ravens to be more successful Joe Flacco needs to play better and yet to have failed so miserably to draft anybody of any noteworthiness on the offensive side. Two lower round O-linemen, neither of whom is a center, just doesn't make it appear that the FO gives a hoot about giving Joe the weapons he needs to be successful. For those uninformed fans who think Ryan Mallett can run the offense better than Joe, think again. When Mallett beat the Steelers, that game was absolutely a gift from the Steelers. In the 2017 draft, four offensive players were drafted after our pick number 78 and before pick 85 and two or three were wide receivers. It is obvious that Ozzie had no intention of trying to help Joe "play better". This draft definitely exposed three things about our FO - its apparent tunnel vision, its lack of objectivity and a draconian change in philosophy. Its time for the Wizard to get in his hot air balloon and return to Kansas before he wears out his welcome in the City of Charm. With arguably the best defense of all time in the 2000 Super Bowl year, Trent Dilfer had more dependable weapons than Joe Flacco has. They were Shannon Sharpe, Brandon Stokely, Jamaal Lewis, among others, as well as a pretty good return specialist, named Jermaine Lewis. We also had some stellar coaching on both sides of the ball in Brian Billick and Marvin Lewis. 

Our only hope is that the FO knows something that we don't know when it comes to signing some more players who are in the twilight of their careers but still have some gas left in the tank. Its a bandaid approach at best but its the only chance we have to be a contender this year.

So, the grade for the FO should be as follows: 

Defense - A

Offense - E

Average - C

yah by ignorin the offens they get worse than fail respect the E grad  the point bout holdin flacco accountible as they sayed and not givin him more to work wiff rathar takin some peices away from him is a thang thar is  a word for. its like whatevah. maybe they thang the wrs and tes an oline an rbs they have givin joe is enuff to get the job done. that it is on joe and not on them at all.  that sur looks like their plan. put it on joe hes the elephant in the room anyways and if he fail they gonna ship him off when the contract is done anyways. maybe they can buy mor time to milk the clock for themselfs u kno. it looks like there comprehensuv plan is joe is the scapgoat. convince biscioti joe didna get er done. as far as the Defence draff u r generrous. humpf had a ton of team aroun him and had the chanc to make team effort plays agains far less talant. thars a vid of humpf tacklin fournet that folks like to talk bout. fournet had a gap and humpf was thar its humpfs hihlite tackel and he barely got a guy with no whar to go. he tackles like elam and its gonna get interestin with nflers in space and nflers with quicks. bad pic no comment on the rest of the draff and cant rate the hole d draff but humpf was a no draff tab

[ravensnick]

Picks I absolutely love:

Bowser A+

Williams A+

Sirgusa A+

Picks I like a lot:

Humphrey B

 Eluemunor B

Who the Hell is this Guy?

Clark C

Overall: A-

[Willbacker]

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

G ?

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[atomicfront]

9 hours ago, Davesta said:

A lot of B- from "draft analysts." I tend to agree. Borderline B, C+. Selecting no offensive skill players is worrisome. Unless Ozzie gave Steve bisciotti a 2 year plan and promise to build him a offense next year. I understand the draft was defense heavy so a lot of teams reach on offense knowing they can grab a good defensive pick in later rounds, ozzie just sitting back and scooping up all the BPA defensive players, but still. Perriman, Wallace, and mike camp is your starting WRs. Dixon out for 4 games. Hmmm 

Not defending the front office but the draft analyst ratings are pretty meaningless.  They have given us A's in the past in years that turned out to be more like an F in retrospect.  Giving Ozzie and company the benefit of the doubt that they know some guy who is a writer by trade. 

[ludy51]

10 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

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[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

12 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Z

 

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

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We need to go deeper. 

[ludy51]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

 

We need to go deeper. 

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[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

31 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

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WE MUST GO DEEPER