Grade the Front Office

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

Sixth round you are looking for a solid STer. No WR in the Sixth is going to see the field.

 

Happy we just decided to go all in on a dominant d the entire offseason. I never thought a WR was a huge concern. I'm sure they can get a vet possession guy like Boldin, although I'd love to see a trade for Decker. 

 

Oline is is a major problem. They need mangold to come in and be a healthy starter. I guess Lewis will be the RT and goose 2 will be the RG or Urschel maybe. I just don't like the starters, the durability or the depth. Good thing is I don't think anyone in our division will have an overall scary pass rush. 

 

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Besides us you mean?

Edited Sunday at 02:03 AM by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[RayRayRaven]

39 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'll give it a B+. Ozzie and co had a goal, to increase the speed and intensity of the defense, and they accomplished just that.

if we gonna grade the draff now it is fair to grade oz and decost closer on why they neglectd the offense until the no pressur draff rounds  how did we get to round 4 wiff two thrid round pics befor we took offens?  ok r D was ovah rated and did gas out late but if joe is r guy why still no weapons?  but the killr for this yr is picin a no cova corna wiff only two yrs on a team almost anyone wuld look good on.  bama did was not in a game last yr until the one wiff Clemson and Humphry was not a star in any way. the questshon now is how many numba 1 pics are oz and decost gonna boot before we say enuff is  enuff?  we need to know who pushed for Humphry was it decost?  was it oz? we need to know who took r numba 1 pic and spent it on Humphry and not ramcheck or robinson, who let litty fall to a slot jus befor us and not land him? who nevah evan considered myrick and took a cb in the six rd that is gonna be silly.  who which one thought this sophamore was the next jimmy smith and what r they lookin at?  who can't see no more?

[RaineV1]

I actually think the AFCN could have some of the best passruashers in the league depending on how the rookies (Watt, Garret, Willis, and Lawson) develop.

[DefensiveMind]

2 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

I hav to tell ya really thought we needed to go oline, receiva and work on D late draff.  I elmimnated few cbs but Humphrey was one. he reminds of elam with slightly betta hands. he likes to hit some but hittin a college back aint hittin an nfl back they wont be thar many time with his style. I am dead serreous we pulled an elam here wanted jalin myrick and we culda had him  but the jags got him and they got him late

Reading your posts gave me CTE 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

C+ / B-

 

It's the second best outcome I could expect considering they ignored the desperately weak side of the ball in favor of the top ten side.But If they're going to ignore the state of the Oline early in the draft and the state of our WR/TE corps all together,then it better be in favor of our pass rush and CB's! I think we'll regret not taking Oj Howard over Humphrey,but other than that I like the fact that they double dipped at pass rusher,o line and corner.If we can look back 2-3 years from now and say they hit on atleast one of the picks from each of those groups then I think the team will be in good shape.I would go with a strong B grade but I'm worried about Humphrey being a bust.It seems like our FO just goofs on top picks for some reason.

Edited Sunday at 02:20 AM by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

17 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

if we gonna grade the draff now it is fair to grade oz and decost closer on why they neglectd the offense until the no pressur draff rounds  how did we get to round 4 wiff two thrid round pics befor we took offens?  ok r D was ovah rated and did gas out late but if joe is r guy why still no weapons?  but the killr for this yr is picin a no cova corna wiff only two yrs on a team almost anyone wuld look good on.  bama did was not in a game last yr until the one wiff Clemson and Humphry was not a star in any way. the questshon now is how many numba 1 pics are oz and decost gonna boot before we say enuff is  enuff?  we need to know who pushed for Humphry was it decost?  was it oz? we need to know who took r numba 1 pic and spent it on Humphry and not ramcheck or robinson, who let litty fall to a slot jus befor us and not land him? who nevah evan considered myrick and took a cb in the six rd that is gonna be silly.  who which one thought this sophamore was the next jimmy smith and what r they lookin at?  who can't see no more?

 

Considering its our last week with the forums I just want to respond to one of your post and commend you with an A++ grade for trolling.You've mastered the art of rustling jimmies.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

DAY 1 

GRADE - B

 

Very good player with high upside at a position of need. Completes an offseason overhaul of the secondary making it the strength of the team. Ozzie & Decosta have talked about not being afraid to hit doubles when everyone else is swinging for the fences... this pick might fit that narrative - not a flashy name but I think one of the safest picks we could have made. 

Without knowing what they offered to trade up and how far -- tough to incorporate that in the grade. I'd probably up this to a B+/A- bc of how Day 2 played out.

Don't listen to the fans that whine about this being a reach or that he would've been available in the 20's. He wouldn't have made it past the Titans. Most teams had him is the #1-2 CB on the board and likely Top 10 pick. The QB run is the only reason he was available to us. And there weren't any viable #1 type CBs left by round 3. For all it's depth, the list was picked well clean.

 

DAY 2

GRADE - A-

 

Kicked off with great value in nabbing Tyus Bowser. Versatile, athletic and huge upside. Late riser who was in the conversation as a late 1st round pick for some. Should provide cover skills and matchup flexibility early while he develops a pass rush repertoire. Sky high potential. 

Some aren't high on Wormley but was a very productive player at Michigan. Should compete right away for the starting spot at 5T DE and kick inside in sub packages. Can provide everything we lost in Jernigan potentially. Neither Urban or Kaufusi has the size to kick inside often so provides flexibility for us there. Should see the field early. 

And what more is there to say about Tim Williams. Potentially the steal of the draft. Day 2 would deserve an A grade regardless of who else we pick bc of him. Wouldn't have blinked if he was our pick at 16. Arguably the best pure pass rusher from the OLB spot in the draft. 

Probably landed 2 starters at minimum and the weapons to take carry and elite pass rushing unite for the next 5-10 years. 

 

DAY 3

GRADE - B

Finally addressed the OL but in a BIG way... quite literally. Goose 2.0 was a big value pick. Brings the size and nastiness we've been lacking on the interior. Could potentially start at LG or C depending on what we do there but should compete at both. 

Eluemunor is somewhat of a boom/bust proposition but that's what you're looking for this late in the game. Didn't start playing the game until he was 14 so is just scratching the surface of his potential. Moved from London to the US just to chase his dream of playing football -- so you know he's going to do whatever it takes. Flexibility to play OT or OG which we covet. Former soccer player so the ability for good footwork and mirror/match capability is in him.... I think he just needs to lean out and strengthen his lower body so he carries his weight better. 

I bet we look back on this pick in 4 years as a Rick Wagner like pick. 

Wasn't very familiar with Clark as much but looks like a very instinctive player with real ball skills. Great route recognition, anticipation and not easily fooled or lost by bunches or rubs/picks. ST player early who could develop into a rotational DB or Dime player for us in a year or 2.

 

OVERALL

GRADE - B+

 

Finished off what's looking like a dominant secondary that's talented on top and deep throughout. Potentially 7 starting caliber or better players.

Grabbed much needed youth for the pass rush with 2 of the better purely OLB prospects in this draft. Surely at least one hits. 

Another high floor DL player who has motor for days and has a very productive history as a pass rusher and knack for blocking kicks. Adds to an already young and talented group. 

And hit on 2 OL players that fit the profile of what we're looking for. Size, power, nastiness. Versatility in one G/C and one T/G. I think Goose can step in Day 1 while Eluemunor needs seasoning but has huge upside. 

Checked all the boxes. WR is the only thing that brings the grade down from an "A." But other than maybe Chris Godwin there wasn't ever a point where WR was even close to BPA. Didn't really have a shot at any difference makers.  

Great draft. Loved it. And I nailed 4/7 players that we picked. Happy with that result too. 

Edited Sunday at 02:44 AM by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[PurpleHorseman]

C+

Edited Sunday at 02:46 AM by PurpleHorseman

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

C

Valuable insights. 

[rossihunter2]

43 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I actually think the AFCN could have some of the best passruashers in the league depending on how the rookies (Watt, Garret, Willis, and Lawson) develop.

yeah its crazy the level of pass rushers that are joining the AFC North this year- Garrett, Watt, Willis, Lawson, Williams were all at various points regarded as 1st round talents and they are all joining the AFC North... the browns have garrett and lawson which could be tough to defend against

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

yeah its crazy the level of pass rushers that are joining the AFC North this year- Garrett, Watt, Willis, Lawson, Williams were all at various points regarded as 1st round talents and they are all joining the AFC North... the browns have garrett and lawson which could be tough to defend against

Didn't the Bengals take Lawson?

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

yeah its crazy the level of pass rushers that are joining the AFC North this year- Garrett, Watt, Willis, Lawson, Williams were all at various points regarded as 1st round talents and they are all joining the AFC North... the browns have garrett and lawson which could be tough to defend against

 

56 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Didn't the Bengals take Lawson?

Yep, he went to the Bengals. They have Willis, Lawson, and Carlos Dunlap now. 

[Sami84]

Imagine if this was what we could have done IF we traded back in the 1st and simply got an extra 3rd and 5th

Round 1: Tre'davious white

Round 2: Tyus Bowser

Round 3: Chris Wormley

Round 3: Tim Williams

Round 3: Antonio Garcia

Round 4: Nico Siragusa

Round 5: Desmond King

Round 5: Corn Elder

Round 6: Isaiah Ford

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:23 AM by Sami84

[RayRayRaven]

10 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

Considering its our last week with the forums I just want to respond to one of your post and commend you with an A++ grade for trolling.You've mastered the art of rustling jimmies.

hoome of bravens I haveta tell you somethin. McKinnie grubs burk yanda oher bolden pita rice smith suggs lewis ngata reed pollard smith webb hurt graham Williams and worse of all tell ya in a minute. what those guys have in common? u aint talkin to a novice fan. you aint talkin to a rah rah fan. you aint talkin to a no nothin fan. you aint talkin to a fan that wears da purple and goes to the game cuz its da thang to do. you talkin to maybe the country greatest raven fan evah that canna stand the fall from the top. thatg canna stand being a 3rd class outfit that canna stand watchin complet incompatance that know and understan it the vary instant it happen. you are not talkin to the avarage fan jus be certain of that. now the thang is do you cheer when you are seein a thang collapse? do you cheeer when the otha team is scorin on you and chisalin your reputatshon and pride away?  do you still clap u hands and say this is what I luv this is how we roll? becuz a real fan doan roll like that.   now the worse thang of all is those names above what we kno now beyond any doubt is that they came togetha by accidant. it was only a penomena and not great understanin and know how.  and thatg is proofed by picin the only true no cova corna wiff our firse pic again this yr. he will not transform r team and will only start becuz he has to.  it is a trajedy

[redlobster]

13 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Sixth round you are looking for a solid STer. No WR in the Sixth is going to see the field.

 

Happy we just decided to go all in on a dominant d the entire offseason. I never thought a WR was a huge concern. I'm sure they can get a vet possession guy like Boldin, although I'd love to see a trade for Decker. 

 

Oline is is a major problem. They need mangold to come in and be a healthy starter. I guess Lewis will be the RT and goose 2 will be the RG or Urschel maybe. I just don't like the starters, the durability or the depth. Good thing is I don't think anyone in our division will have an overall scary pass rush. 

On a normal team yes, a 6th round WR  on the 2017 Ravens would probably see action in every game on this team, that's how bad the depth is.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 03:40 PM by redlobster

[Wisdom]

A-

[descent into the maelstrom]

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned with respect to round 1 is that Humphrey, Allen, Howard and Foster were possibly the best 4 players available at the time we were on the clock and all from Alabama.  We all know about Ozzie's Alabama connections.  He would have had more insight into each of these players than possibly anyone else not involved with their program.  That is the reason I simply cannot knock the decision to take Humphrey above the other three.  He had all the information when making the pick. 

[flynismo]

19 hours ago, Sami84 said:

question,

 

Would you have taken TJ watt over Bowser? 

 

In a heartbeat

[RavensFanMania]

16 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

C+

I always did love Winchesters insight

[trevorsteadman]

Dang fans are grading the front office even worse than the media. Most media outlets have the Ravens as one of their top 8 or so drafts. 

I would say nobody saw Marlon Humphrey getting drafted. But just think.. When Ozzie Newsome had all Alabama prospects on the board at the same time and he picks Marlon Humphrey when he is less of a need than all the other ones, that proves that he knows something we do not. I went back and rewatched Voch Lombardi's tape on him and I remember why I liked him so much when I first watched him. He will be a great press corner and he may get beat a couple times, but he is coming to a team with 3 top 15 safeties and one of the best inside linebackers in the business I think he will actually play extremely well next season. Maybe not a starter right away but we will see. 

Bowser pick is my favorite of the draft. He will be a fantastic SAM linebacker. Even though he is raw, he has fantastic coverage skills as a linebacker, actually rated near the top in FBS, as well as elite athleticism to get to the ball. I think he will be an early impact player. Wormley made me scratch my head but the talent is there. A hard worker and a person we need at DE to help fill the void of Lawerence Guy. Tim Williams was a shocker because he was still there. He has that amazing quickness and get off off the edge and I think he will have a pretty good impact. 

I like the two offensive linemen picks day 3. Elumeanor will likely be awhile before he hits the field but he has all the tools and is new to football. I would look at next year as a possibility of him playing at guard (probably longer to play tackle if they wanted him there). I love the Siragusa pick I think he may be the team's LG right out of the gate. Then you have the Chuck Clark who was drafed primarily for special teams. 

I would grade this draft a B+ I don't think the Ravens could have been much luckier than they were Friday. 

[ravensnation5220]

Can we not grade this class until at least 3 years. I dont like grading the draft because you never know what these guys can become

Otherwise id give us an A+ because we went after our secondary and pass rush which really lost us our season last year. 

Edited Sunday at 07:15 PM by ravensnation5220

[jimmypowder]

I grade the draft a C+ . Here's an analysis from

one publication : 

Michael Reaves/Getty Images

The Baltimore Ravens had the league's seventh-ranked defense last season. Only four teams recorded more takeaways, and only three surrendered fewer first downs. They lost two key offensive players—tackle Ricky Wagner and fullback Kyle Juszczyk—in free agency, but retained top defensive free agent Brandon Williams. 

And yet in the first three rounds of the draft, a team in desperate team of reinforcements for quarterback Joe Flacco used all four of its draft picks on defensive players. And it's not even clear there are starting roles for cornerback Marlon Humphrey, linebacker Tyus Bowser, defensive end Chris Wormley or linebacker Tim Williams. 

These were, generally, picks for the future, which is odd for a team that continues to lose important offensive players and has posted a winning record just once in the last four years. 

Did the Ravens really have that luxury? They're putting a lot of eggs in questionable baskets on that side of the ball, which could end badly with guys like the unproven Breshad Perriman, the old and recently injured Danny Woodhead and whoever replaces Wagner. 

This doesn't appear to be a team moving in the right direction.

 

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

In a heartbeat

Nope Watts a bum 

 

Edited Sunday at 07:29 PM by jimmypowder

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Nope Watts a bum 

 

Maybe, maybe not...if anyone can bring out his full potential, it's PIT. 

In a vacuum, I have more confidence in him than Bowser; he has a much higher floor I believe, although Bowser does have a higher ceiling.

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

I grade the draft a C+ . Here's an analysis from

one publication : 

Michael Reaves/Getty Images

The Baltimore Ravens had the league's seventh-ranked defense last season. Only four teams recorded more takeaways, and only three surrendered fewer first downs. They lost two key offensive players—tackle Ricky Wagner and fullback Kyle Juszczyk—in free agency, but retained top defensive free agent Brandon Williams. 

And yet in the first three rounds of the draft, a team in desperate team of reinforcements for quarterback Joe Flacco used all four of its draft picks on defensive players. And it's not even clear there are starting roles for cornerback Marlon Humphrey, linebacker Tyus Bowser, defensive end Chris Wormley or linebacker Tim Williams. 

These were, generally, picks for the future, which is odd for a team that continues to lose important offensive players and has posted a winning record just once in the last four years. 

Did the Ravens really have that luxury? They're putting a lot of eggs in questionable baskets on that side of the ball, which could end badly with guys like the unproven Breshad Perriman, the old and recently injured Danny Woodhead and whoever replaces Wagner. 

This doesn't appear to be a team moving in the right direction.

 

I don't like this and this is why. 

The defense carried the offense last year in the first 12 games and nobody can deny that. Looking at the Giants game that was an easy win if the team didn't give Odell 2 gimmes and a bunch of big plays in the 2nd half when Jimmy Smith went down. The defense then did not have the talent to stop the run or defend the pass when Jimmy Smith went down. 

The Ravens should have won that Giants game, the Pats game would have been a different story, and the two division games at the end of the season would have played out different. The Ravens have shut down Antonio Brown in almost every game Jimmy Smith is healthy.

So I do think the way this team is going to get back to the playoffs, and eventually another potential super bowl, is leaning on those key defensive pieces.

[flynismo]

I'm of the mindset that it is better to be great at one thing rather than being good at two things. And just look no further than AZ last season as proof of that; a top 5 defense and offense got them what, 7 wins?

So I like what they are doing here, especially with the anticipation of bringing in veteran help in the coming months to fill holes along the offensive line.

Top notch front office, as always.

[52520Andrew]

I am going to give this draft an A, I think we did a really good job getting the best players available. The offensive guys all went earlier than we had them ranked so we scooped up value on the defense. Nothing wrong with that. I am concerned about the offense for this year but I am as excited about the defense as I have been for a Long time.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

15 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Imagine if this was what we could have done IF we traded back in the 1st and simply got an extra 3rd and 5th

Round 1: Tre'davious white

Round 2: Tyus Bowser

Round 3: Chris Wormley

Round 3: Tim Williams

Round 3: Antonio Garcia

Round 4: Nico Siragusa

Round 5: Desmond King

Round 5: Corn Elder

Round 6: Isaiah Ford

 

 

Then we would have lost out on our future pro bowler corner who was projected to go to the Saints earlier than 16

[RayRayRaven]

37 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Then we would have lost out on our future pro bowler corner who was projected to go to the Saints earlier than 16

an oz said he was at the vary top of his bd.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

No matter what you may think, at least we don't have the bengals FO. 

I am legitimately shocked they haven't tried to get Greg hardy back in the league.