Grade the Front Office

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What would be your grade for our Draft?

A -E

Do you think we drafted for need, best player available, or did we just react to the combine stats, or was it what we saw from the senior bowl?

Do the picks represent a year of putting in the time, pounding the pavement, watching hours of film, and scouting the best possible options to improve this 8-8 team? 

Did we get better, and improve?

Did the other Afc North teams draft better than us?

What are your thoughts?

[Davesta]

Defensively, it's a great draft. But no offensive skill players? We must have boldin on speed dial. 

[Sami84]

19 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What would be your grade for our Draft?

A -E

Do you think we drafted for need, best player available, or did we just react to the combine stats, or was it what we saw from the senior bowl?

Do the picks represent a year of putting in the time, pounding the pavement, watching hours of film, and scouting the best possible options to improve this 8-8 team? 

Did we get better, and improve?

Did the other Afc North teams draft better than us?

What are your thoughts?

 

 

 

I think the AFC north teams did great. Cleveland managed to waste a few picks though

 

I'd give us an A if it were not for the humphrey pick. We should have traded back and obtained a 3rd and 4th. 

so its a B

Edited Saturday at 10:06 PM by Sami84

[jboy19]

As much as it was kinda a bummer not to get away with a WR or 2, I didn't really think there were any receivers we could have taken that wouldn't have been pretty bad reaches. I'm glad that they stayed disciplined and stuck to the board. I mainly came in with players I didn't like that I didn't want the Ravens to draft, and the Ravens didn't draft any of them, so I'm generally pretty happy. I'd give it a B+

I think Cleveland had a pretty decent haul- not phenomenal, but decent. Garrett is going to be a beast (obviously), but I'm not sure that the developmental guys (Peppers, Njoku, Kizer) were good picks bc Idk if Hue gets to be there long enough to get them ready. Got some decent role players (Ogunjobi, Wilson) in the middle rounds. Generally a pretty future-focused draft. I'd give it a A-

I'm not big on Cincy's draft. I think Ross was a huge reach at 9 and the questions about his availability are pretty well-founded. Mixon is solid, but Cincy has no OL who are worth anything. Pretty jealous they snuck off with Dielman though. I'd give it a C

Pittsburgh was okay. Watt isn't someone to bet against, but his tape wasn't that special. JJSS is pretty polarizing, I think he'll be decent in a rotation, probably not a game-changer though. Sutton probably stuck in the slot competing with Golson. Conner was a reach. I'd give it a B. 

[Sami84]

41 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

As much as it was kinda a bummer not to get away with a WR or 2, I didn't really think there were any receivers we could have taken that wouldn't have been pretty bad reaches. I'm glad that they stayed disciplined and stuck to the board. I mainly came in with players I didn't like that I didn't want the Ravens to draft, and the Ravens didn't draft any of them, so I'm generally pretty happy. I'd give it a B+

I think Cleveland had a pretty decent haul- not phenomenal, but decent. Garrett is going to be a beast (obviously), but I'm not sure that the developmental guys (Peppers, Njoku, Kizer) were good picks bc Idk if Hue gets to be there long enough to get them ready. Got some decent role players (Ogunjobi, Wilson) in the middle rounds. Generally a pretty future-focused draft. I'd give it a A-

I'm not big on Cincy's draft. I think Ross was a huge reach at 9 and the questions about his availability are pretty well-founded. Mixon is solid, but Cincy has no OL who are worth anything. Pretty jealous they snuck off with Dielman though. I'd give it a C

Pittsburgh was okay. Watt isn't someone to bet against, but his tape wasn't that special. JJSS is pretty polarizing, I think he'll be decent in a rotation, probably not a game-changer though. Sutton probably stuck in the slot competing with Golson. Conner was a reach. I'd give it a B. 

 

question,

 

Would you have taken TJ watt over Bowser? 

 

[ellicottraven]

I would give them a cautious 'B' at this point. However, it can quickly be amended to either an A or a C depending on how many players of this draft become starters. I can surely see 4 of them as potential starters with a 5th as a rotational player by year's end.

[Sami84]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

I would give them a cautious 'B' at this point. However, it can quickly be amended to either an A or a C depending on how many players of this draft become starters. I can surely see 4 of them as potential starters with a 5th as a rotational player by year's end.

 

If we had got a bit luckier and had lattimore fall for us...boy this draft would have been epic. I just cant stand taking a corner who gets burned by the deep ball often in the first round

[RayRayRaven]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

If we had got a bit luckier and had lattimore fall for us...boy this draft would have been epic. I just cant stand taking a corner who gets burned by the deep ball often in the first round

sami am completely stunned by Humphry of all the avail cornas touted to go in first 3 rds made him no draff.  really thought if we reached for bama we'd go with the LT and we didna do good.  the jags knocked us silla again so did indy.  I jus doan get it omg

[RayRayRaven]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

 

I think the AFC north teams did great. Cleveland managed to waste a few picks though

 

I'd give us an A if it were not for the humphrey pick. We should have traded back and obtained a 3rd and 4th. 

so its a B

can even grad the othas am so stunned by Humphry u kno we did the same thing last time we went secondery wiff r numba 1 I  jus doan get it and doan know what they are lookin at. stunnin

[mmcclend]

24 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

can even grad the othas am so stunned by Humphry u kno we did the same thing last time we went secondery wiff r numba 1 I  jus doan get it and doan know what they are lookin at. stunnin

Blah blah blah blah Humphrey was a good pick bro stop 

[mmcclend]

I find it amazing that everybody here has SOOO much confidence in Brandon Carr as our starter. Not saying he's bad but I live in Dallas and he's known as "Used Carr." He's a solid depth pickup but nobody should be surprised if Marlon starts and Carr is the backup.

[RayRayRaven]

11 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

Blah blah blah blah Humphrey was a good pick bro stop 

I hav to tell ya really thought we needed to go oline, receiva and work on D late draff.  I elmimnated few cbs but Humphrey was one. he reminds of elam with slightly betta hands. he likes to hit some but hittin a college back aint hittin an nfl back they wont be thar many time with his style. I am dead serreous we pulled an elam here wanted jalin myrick and we culda had him  but the jags got him and they got him late

Edited Saturday at 11:59 PM by RayRayRaven

[mmcclend]

1 minute ago, RayRayRaven said:

I hav to tell ya really thought we needed to go oline, receiva and work on D late draff.  I elmimnated few cbs but Humphrey was one. he reminds of elam with slightly betta hands. he likes to hit some but hittin a college back aint hittin an nfl back they wont be thar many time with his style. I am dead serreous we pulled an elam here

You can't say that yet bro!  Homie hasn't even strapped up yet. I agree that we needed a receiver but Ozzie and company aren't going to reach for offense and you know that. Humphrey is the exact opposite of Elam! Elam was always small with small arms and good college speed but not NFL speed. Humphrey is a size, speed freak with long arms. Go look at his sports science. It just sucks the board is closing because I really want to see how many people who bash him now will have him as their avatar by week 5.

[RayRayRaven]

2 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

You can't say that yet bro!  Homie hasn't even strapped up yet. I agree that we needed a receiver but Ozzie and company aren't going to reach for offense and you know that. Humphrey is the exact opposite of Elam! Elam was always small with small arms and good college speed but not NFL speed. Humphrey is a size, speed freak with long arms. Go look at his sports science. It just sucks the board is closing because I really want to see how many people who bash him now will have him as their avatar by week 5.

he combed a 4.41 but he plays slow an he lacks awarenss. the guy I wanted will be playin long afta Humphry is off to his next gig. myrick is cat quick both straight on and in coverage.  I am literal stun dead cold

[mmcclend]

5 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

he combed a 4.41 but he plays slow an he lacks awarenss. the guy I wanted will be playin long afta Humphry is off to his next gig. myrick is cat quick both straight on and in coverage.  I am literal stun dead cold

You can't do that bro. So when a player you like runs a fast 40 they are a burner but Marlon(all world track athlete) runs a blazing 40 and he "plays slow." So hypothetically speaking, if Carr goes down you'd be comfortable with Myrick stepping in and starting rather than Marlon who has played in the biggest games on the best team in college football? 

[mmcclend]

If anything Myrick is more comparable to Elam than Humphrey is with his midget stature and poor tackling. We have tavon who's a way better small corner.

[Adreme]

29 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

I find it amazing that everybody here has SOOO much confidence in Brandon Carr as our starter. Not saying he's bad but I live in Dallas and he's known as "Used Carr." He's a solid depth pickup but nobody should be surprised if Marlon starts and Carr is the backup.

He's also the player that Dallas tried to get rid for years but they could never find someone better.  They did not lose him by choice.  They had no cap space to sign him.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

question,

 

Would you have taken TJ watt over Bowser? 

 

No

[mmcclend]

3 minutes ago, Adreme said:

He's also the player that Dallas tried to get rid for years but they could never find someone better.  They did not lose him by choice.  They had no cap space to sign him.

He's a solid player but I'm not 100% that he's going to be our starter. I mean this kind of reminds me of the Kyle Arrington signing. Plus, why wouldn't the cowboys want to keep him? Their secondary was depleted and they wanted some continuity. Remember, his BEST attribute durability. 

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

question,

 

Would you have taken TJ watt over Bowser? 

 

I'd probably pick Bowser. I think both are in the same vein of athletes who need to be refined. Bowser imo appears closer (which makes sense since Watt only played defense 1 year). I think Bowser can also do more than Watt off the LOS as well.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

question,

 

Would you have taken TJ watt over Bowser? 

 

 

No. Frankly I'm kind of happy the Steelers took TJ Watt. 

[RayRayRaven]

45 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

You can't do that bro. So when a player you like runs a fast 40 they are a burner but Marlon(all world track athlete) runs a blazing 40 and he "plays slow." So hypothetically speaking, if Carr goes down you'd be comfortable with Myrick stepping in and starting rather than Marlon who has played in the biggest games on the best team in college football? 

 

40 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

If anything Myrick is more comparable to Elam than Humphrey is with his midget stature and poor tackling. We have tavon who's a way better small corner.

didn get to post my board, but myrick was my fat late pic.  Humphry was my firse full corna board eliminatshon.  He was my solid don't draff the same as elam. big school good team thar lots of overmatch games lots of covar lots of swag but little substance.  myrick locates the ball while coverin firse rule of an nFL corna. humprhy not even close.  myrick cannt be shaken and fights for the ball at all times. I canna say how certain I am we boofed again.  omg as far as the guys down the boaRD I canna say.  they weren't on my positional bd cuz we didna draff how I projected.  a cuple they are cawin ovah here I doan like not sayin they will be outright fails jus doan lik em.  opinion on Humphry is entirely diff. stunnd worse yet the jags get fournet, they get robinson in round 2 and they get myrick.  its a disazzter

Edited Sunday at 01:01 AM by RayRayRaven

[Adreme]

3 hours ago, mmcclend said:

He's a solid player but I'm not 100% that he's going to be our starter. I mean this kind of reminds me of the Kyle Arrington signing. Plus, why wouldn't the cowboys want to keep him? Their secondary was depleted and they wanted some continuity. Remember, his BEST attribute durability. 

They tried to find someone better over the years but they never could and the reason is very simple, he is a top 25 to 30 corner in the NFL.  That is a solid number 2 and when you don't treat him like more than that he excels, when you expect him to be Jimmy Smith, he fails horribly.

Edited Sunday at 03:44 AM by Adreme

[RaineV1]

I'll give it a B+. Ozzie and co had a goal, to increase the speed and intensity of the defense, and they accomplished just that.

[rossihunter2]

humphrey wasn't my favourite pick at the time and he still isnt but the more i see of his character and motivation and the more i think about the fit the more the pick grows on me

bowser is an excellent pick, wormley was disappointing and i think he might be the pick im most disappointed by, tim williams is an absolute steal, nico siragusa wasnt my first choice but philosophically he seems to be a great fit and he certainly is flashy at times, eluemunor was a guy i really wanted us to take at some point in this draft, chuck clark i dont want to be mean about but he feels a little like mr irrelevant in terms of offense/defense but i can see how he fills a need on special teams given the guys we lost this year (juice, elam, huff, orr and the fact that theres no guarantee waller will make the team for example)

i give this draft a solid A-

Day 1 was a B

Day 2 was an A+

Day 3 was a B+

[RayRayRaven]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

humphrey wasn't my favourite pick at the time and he still isnt but the more i see of his character and motivation and the more i think about the fit the more the pick grows on me

bowser is an excellent pick, wormley was disappointing and i think he might be the pick im most disappointed by, tim williams is an absolute steal, nico siragusa wasnt my first choice but philosophically he seems to be a great fit and he certainly is flashy at times, eluemunor was a guy i really wanted us to take at some point in this draft, chuck clark i dont want to be mean about but he feels a little like mr irrelevant in terms of offense/defense but i can see how he fills a need on special teams given the guys we lost this year (juice, elam, huff, orr and the fact that theres no guarantee waller will make the team for example)

i give this draft a solid A-

Day 1 was a B

Day 2 was an A+

Day 3 was a B+

canna even grade em im jus cryin

[RavensFanMania]

I would have liked a receiver in one of the earlier rounds, but just as @jboy said, I'm glad they didn't reach on any WRs.  Ive been a big fan of Marlon Humphrey for the past couple months.  He along with Lattimore, Sidney Jones and Tre White were my fav cb.  I'm stoked we landed both Bowser and Timmy Williams.  I also believe Wormley was a good value at 74.

Day 3 received a couple good picks on the ol.  I think Siragusa will get s look at center as well and Lewis will be moved out to right tackle.  Anayway, I give this draft a b to b+.

Edited Sunday at 04:05 AM by RavensFanMania

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm going to give you all my draft grades for this overall process. 

 

Round One: Marlon Humphrey, CB

Marlon was my third best corner. Would have been fourth if not for Conley's allegations. Overall, I like the player. He's very good with the ball in front of him, I think he's a good fit in our defense, he covers a need. I like Humphrey himself. He's not the problem here with this grade. I'd give this a B+ if it weren't for a certain factor: I thought there was better talents on the board such as Jonathan Allen, and OJ Howard. I have to take a lot of points off the overall grade. I have a feeling that we settled overall. Poor Humphrey, he's gonna be hated by so many people even though he's more likely than not to be a good defensive back in this league. Especially with the improvements made with the pass rush. But I would've much rather taken a risk with Allen. 

Player Grade: B, Humphrey is more likely than not to be a good pro. I expect him to take over the starting job later on in the season. 

Overall Grade: C, there was better value on the board. 

 

Round Two: Tyus Bowser, SAM      
Sometimes Ozzie Newsome pisses me off and then makes up for it immediately. I'm a big fan of Tyus Bowser. Not as big as @rmw10 is but a big fan nonetheless. He's not a pure edge player, but he can play both ILB and at times OLB. He's a chess piece who could honestly become a Jamie Collins 2.0. He's got an insane amount of upside, and is freakishly athletic. He needs to be coached up in certain aspects, but he's already very good in coverage and should be a damn good blitzer. This is a great pick.

 

Player Grade: A+

Overall Grade: A+, Bowser is gonna be a good player. Possibly immediately. 

 

Round Three: Chris Wormley, DLine

Probably my least favorite pick of the bunch. There are other players I would have rather taken here(including the one we drafted right after him), and overall I was not a fan. That said, that doesn't mean he's bad. He's Lawerence Guy 2.0. He'll get on the field. He'll do the dirty work. He'll be a good player. But this dline class sucked. Any other year, he's probably a 4th-5th rounder. Likewise, we basically traded Jernigan for Wormley. I'd rather have Timmy. 

Player Grade: B-, He's Lawerence Guy 2.0. He'll be good but has a low ceiling, but is a high effort guy and a jack of all trades, especially a master of none. 

Overall Grade: C-. I would have rather spent the pick on the offensive side of the ball, and I would have rather taken our next guy. 

 

Round Three pt 2. Tim Williams, EDGE

Meet our next edge rusher for the next decade. Tim Williams, if he can stay out of trouble (knock on wood) is a bonafide pass rushing stud. Without the character concerns, we are talking about him at 16. But to get him here? Quite possibly the steal of the entire draft. He's a legit top 20 talent, who fell here because of character concerns. He was easily the best player available, and by himself upgrades the pass rush. And that's without Bowser. He could be a guy who gets 10-15 sacks and a boatload of pressures a season. Please stay out of trouble Tim. If you do, you're gonna be a star in this league. 

Player Grade: A+

Overall Grade: A+. This is our best pick by far. The value is amazing. 

Round Four: Nico Siragusa, OG

Nico Siragusa (no relation to Tony). He's gonna be a starter, and probably be better than Alex Lewis was at OG this season. He fits Greg Roman's offense to a T. I think he starts immediately and is good with the potential to make a few pro bowls one day. As much as I like the pick, he needs some work but I think he's gonna be better than Lewis was last year, and Lewis will then kick out to RT. 

Player Grade: B

Overall Grade: A. I had him going a round earlier. I think this is great value.

Round Five: Jermaine Eluemenor, OG

Eh.. Not my favorite pick in the world. He has a lot of upside, and seems to be passionate about the game. However, he is very raw and I could easily see him failing as well. He's physical, and has a lot of potential, but I'm eerie. 

Player Grade: C

Overall Grade: C-. I would have liked to see us go a different direction rather than guard depth here. I don't think this pick is bad, but it is average. 

Round Six: Chuck Clark, S

I can't hate this pick too much even if he's not the VT player I wanted. He's rock solid and should be good depth almost immediately. Although I do raise an eyebrow as our first backup would literally be a starter on almost every team except for Seattle. And Levine is a good backup as well. I think we made the Clark pick solely for special teams which pisses me off as I would have rather had a WR here. But all in all, he's probably going to be a good STer. 

Player Grade: C. He's average. Nothing more.

Overall Grade: D. The value just isn't there for me. 

 

Overall Player Grades: B+. I can't complain too much about we drafted. I think Humphrey, Bowser, Wormley, Williams and Siragusa are all good players and will see the field a decent amount with Williams, Wormley, and Siragusa outright starting. I do think that the other guard we drafted has upside. I think Clark isn't terrible and could be a good backup/STer. 

 

Overall Draft Grade: B-/C+. Those of you who have been to college know that if you tried, and went to office hours, your professors will usually give you slack and round up if you are within a half precentage point. I have this at around that range. I'm not sure whether I should round up or not. All in all, hindisight applies, I'd do this draft drastically differently for all but three of the picks. While I see Humphrey, and Wormley becoming good players, I felt as if there was better talent on the board in Allen, Howard, I would have taken Fabian Moreau over Wormley, or A'Darius Stewart. I think the players themselves are actually very good for the most part(last two picks left a lot to be desired), and that we found some good value with Williams and Bowser. I also have to take a lot of points off the board for leaving the offense hanging. I can't believe that our oline has somehow gotten WORSE throughout this process. And I am upset in particular that we didn't take WR.

Final Draft Grade: F. No Jake Butt= Automatic Failure

I liked the players we drafted. A lot more than most.  But the value, and straight up neglect of the offense makes me raise my eyebrows. 

Edited Sunday at 01:54 AM by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Ngata Chance]

I would grade it B+.  That we got Tim Williams in the third is straight up thievery.  

 

Not going to lie, hadn't even heard of Clark.  

[ravensdan]

Sixth round you are looking for a solid STer. No WR in the Sixth is going to see the field.

 

Happy we just decided to go all in on a dominant d the entire offseason. I never thought a WR was a huge concern. I'm sure they can get a vet possession guy like Boldin, although I'd love to see a trade for Decker. 

 

Oline is is a major problem. They need mangold to come in and be a healthy starter. I guess Lewis will be the RT and goose 2 will be the RG or Urschel maybe. I just don't like the starters, the durability or the depth. Good thing is I don't think anyone in our division will have an overall scary pass rush.