Welcome to Baltimore Nico Siragusa

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

was nico siragusa injured this year or something? i am not seeing the same player yall are talking about apparently. i was highly unimpressed by his film the first few ttimes i watched, and i went back, looking to talk myself into liking him, and still am not seeing it. 

he gets knocked on his butt constantly, he'll get tunnel vision on one man and as soon as another guy bumps him he seems to go tumbling down. he gets really average push, on pull blocks he doesnt even attempt to use his hands and whiffs often, he gets average push and fails to finish, you often see the RB come behind him and the defender disengaging to make the tackle. ive only watched his san jose state game recently, but i watched 3 of his games months ago and recall having a lot of the same impression. ill go watch his other games again to see if im missing something, but i feel like i am watching someone totally different from you guys

Are you sure you were watching Siragusa #56?

I just rewatched that game to see if I missed something... and I didn't see these things. I counted him on the ground once and that was from momentum carrying over a pile of legs - not getting knocked over. 

Counted 4 or 5 pulls where he found his man and drove him back to create a nice running lane for 5+ yd gains. 1 he whiffs and it leads to a bad loss. 

Theres another 4 plays where id credit him with an exception run block... almost singlehandedly creating a hole that lead to big runs. 

And twice on stunts he passed the initial man off nicely and quickly squares his shoulders back up to engage the second defender and walls him off completely. 

 

They ran with a lot of heavy formations and I found myself on at least 7-8 plays having to rewatch bc I accidentally was focusing on #70 or 72 (something like that) thinking it was Siragusa. And he was constantly on his back. Almost every time I went ahhh I see what Joey was saying... it ended up I was watching the wrong guy. 

Maybe im still missing it. Or maybe you credited some of those major flaws to the wrong guy like I found myself easily doing????

 

Not sure. But I thought he had a pretty darn good game. I see the power, the anchor, recognition on stunts and an ability to pull. And definitely the finishing. Always going to the whistle and beyond to put his man down. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Are you sure you were watching Siragusa #56?

I just rewatched that game to see if I missed something... and I didn't see these things. I counted him on the ground once and that was from momentum carrying over a pile of legs - not getting knocked over. 

Counted 4 or 5 pulls where he found his man and drove him back to create a nice running lane for 5+ yd gains. 1 he whiffs and it leads to a bad loss. 

Theres another 4 plays where id credit him with an exception run block... almost singlehandedly creating a hole that lead to big runs. 

And twice on stunts he passed the initial man off nicely and quickly squares his shoulders back up to engage the second defender and walls him off completely. 

 

They ran with a lot of heavy formations and I found myself on at least 7-8 plays having to rewatch bc I accidentally was focusing on #70 or 72 (something like that) thinking it was Siragusa. And he was constantly on his back. Almost every time I went ahhh I see what Joey was saying... it ended up I was watching the wrong guy. 

Maybe im still missing it. Or maybe you credited some of those major flaws to the wrong guy like I found myself easily doing????

 

Not sure. But I thought he had a pretty darn good game. I see the power, the anchor, recognition on stunts and an ability to pull. And definitely the finishing. Always going to the whistle and beyond to put his man down. 

I'm certain it was 56 lol it was just San Jose state though, Wyoming and Houston he was absolutely dominant. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

His main issue pulling seems fairly correctable. It's like he's so eager to engage with contact that he leads with his arms/upper body so he's upright and doesn't bring his feet with him. 

But it looks to me like he consistently identifies the right block, approaches from the right angle and understands the lane to create. He just too often creates a stalemate... which I guess worked a lot with Pumphrey who was hard to see and could slide in those tight little lanes. 

I'm no OL coach but that seems correctable. Just more patience and technique to get your feet set before engaging with your punch so you can latch on, sink and drive with the hips instead of lunging on with just the upper body and head down. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm certain it was 56 lol it was just San Jose state though, Wyoming and Houston he was absolutely dominant. 

Yea that's what I just rewatched and couldn't find him on the ground on any play... and while I agree (as I just posted) that his weakness is definitely pulling, I actually thought that was one of his better games doing it. i thought he was pretty successful on 4 of his 6 pull attempts. One was really ugly though and the big loss could be almost 100% accredited to him. 

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

His main issue pulling seems fairly correctable. It's like he's so eager to engage with contact that he leads with his arms/upper body so he's upright and doesn't bring his feet with him. 

But it looks to me like he consistently identifies the right block, approaches from the right angle and understands the lane to create. He just too often creates a stalemate... which I guess worked a lot with Pumphrey who was hard to see and could slide in those tight little lanes. 

I'm no OL coach but that seems correctable. Just more patience and technique to get your feet set before engaging with your punch so you can latch on, sink and drive with the hips instead of lunging on with just the upper body and head down. 

i saw that too - when pulling it felt like he wasnt particularly powerful when he engaged and I hope it's easily correctable (I dont really know enough about line play to know how coachable it is) but I often felt like part of the reason he wasn't powerful was because he was struggling to get there with bad/slow footwork - it like you said it's about technique and 'bringing his feet with him' then i could see that as being correctable but i worry that he wont be quick enough to create a solid base when pulling

[The Raven]

On 5/1/2017 at 9:43 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we run a gap scheme and slowly convert to a power scheme as guys like goose get acclimated to pulling and learn some better technique then it could work. But I'm just not sure he can acclimate. He doesn't seem to have that skillset to work in space

Gap and power go hand in hand if you ask me. Same basic principles apply to both.

That is my concern with him. Not the best at locking on in space. Not sure why either since his combine numbers are good. Maybe it's just crappy footwork. He does have a tendency to lunge and reach, in line and on the move. Both are bad traits but are correctable.

Edited yesterday at 06:40 PM by The Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Gap and power go hand in hand if you ask me. Same basic principles apply to both.

That is my concern with him. Not the best at locking on in space. Not sure why either since his combine numbers are good. Maybe it's just crappy footwork. He does have a tendency to lunge and reach, in line and on the move. Both are bad traits but are correctable.

power has a lot more emphasis on pulls and leads. 

[The Raven]

51 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

power has a lot more emphasis on pulls and leads. 

If we're being technical, power is in the gap blocking category. Power isn't really a scheme. It's a play, or a small handful of plays, in the gap family. The phrase "power blocking" is kind of a misnomer that's applied to gap schemes because it sounds sexier.

Edited 22 hours ago by The Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

If we're being technical, power is in the gap blocking category. Power isn't really a scheme. It's a play, or a small handful of plays, in the gap family. The phrase "power blocking" is kind of a misnomer that's applied to gap schemes because it sounds sexier.

but not all gap scheme teams have the OL to pull off a power heavy scheme. when a team has the horses to run power plays, they tend to run them a lot more than a typical gap team with an average OL. the old jim harbaugh 49ers and the early rex ryan jets had the horses to run power schemes and they ran a hell of a lot of them, as opposed to, say, the early cam cameron ravens, when yanda was still bouncing between RT and LG and hadnt really began flourishing yet, and we had just moved on from jason brown and matt birk was struggling with injuries for a few years, we ran a lot of lead plays with a FB, but up front we stuck with a more basic gap concept. 

so my original statement still stands... power emphasizes pulls and leads more. sure, both gap concepts, but if you have the talent to run traps leads and pulls at a high and successful rate, then you likely will, because it creates a pretty successful running game compared to a vanilla gap playbook.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

^^^^

this is why I'm gonna miss this place. As a guy who never played, I've learned so much here from guys like @The Raven and @-Truth-, and @RavensFanMania. I would've never been able to form a solid opinion on prospects like Siragusa without people like this. Granted I'm at a disadvantage as I've never played the game competitively. But still.

 

Damn this place for closing. 

[The Raven]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

^^^^

this is why I'm gonna miss this place. As a guy who never played, I've learned so much here from guys like @The Raven and @-Truth-, and @RavensFanMania. I would've never been able to form a solid opinion on prospects like Siragusa without people like this. Granted I'm at a disadvantage as I've never played the game competitively. But still.

 

Damn this place for closing. 

And even as someone who played and had an overwhelming compulsion to study the game and watch film, I frequently learn from folks like @BmoreBird22 and @JoeyFlex5 who know infinitely more than I do in some subject areas. I didn't know the first thing about coverages until Bmorebird got here.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

And even as someone who played and had an overwhelming compulsion to study the game and watch film, I frequently learn from folks like @BmoreBird22 and @JoeyFlex5 who know infinitely more than I do in some subject areas. I didn't know the first thing about coverages until Bmorebird got here.

I truly, truly appreciate the shoutout.

I'm about as livid as anyone that this site is shutting down because @The Raven was the most knowledgeable offensive line guru I knew on these boards. When these two picks (Siragusa and the other whose name I will not attempt to spell) happened, I knew immediately that he would have me and others covered. 

Words simply cannot express how much I will miss the knowledge that some of you posters shared with me.

[redrum52]

Don't watch much college ball but my boy said he's a good pick and hearing good things on the boards.  Holo g he can be an immediate upgrade on the line.  We need to get back to bullying guys upfront.  Don't see that being a problem on the other side.

[The Raven]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I truly, truly appreciate the shoutout.

I'm about as livid as anyone that this site is shutting down because @The Raven was the most knowledgeable offensive line guru I knew on these boards. When these two picks (Siragusa and the other whose name I will not attempt to spell) happened, I knew immediately that he would have me and others covered. 

Words simply cannot express how much I will miss the knowledge that some of you posters shared with me.

I've already signed up for BmorePupnBlackwhateverhisname's board. Hope to see all of you there (except for like half of you honestly lol kidding but only kinda)

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, The Raven said:

And even as someone who played and had an overwhelming compulsion to study the game and watch film, I frequently learn from folks like @BmoreBird22 and @JoeyFlex5 who know infinitely more than I do in some subject areas. I didn't know the first thing about coverages until Bmorebird got here.

 

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I truly, truly appreciate the shoutout.

I'm about as livid as anyone that this site is shutting down because @The Raven was the most knowledgeable offensive line guru I knew on these boards. When these two picks (Siragusa and the other whose name I will not attempt to spell) happened, I knew immediately that he would have me and others covered. 

Words simply cannot express how much I will miss the knowledge that some of you posters shared with me.

do we have a full position coverage for scouting on this forum then? the raven has oline, bmorebird has dbs in coverage... i feel like flex is pretty flames on edge rush guys - maybe we can fill out a roster of specialists on the next forum ready for the draft - so we know who to come to for specific prospect breakdowns lol

[The Raven]

5 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Don't watch much college ball but my boy said he's a good pick and hearing good things on the boards.  Holo g he can be an immediate upgrade on the line.  We need to get back to bullying guys upfront.  Don't see that being a problem on the other side.

Today, on this idea, I read an article that said, "Every coach that wants to base their run game around a non-power scheme will undoubtedly start by justifying how he can do so while still bringing a physical approach."

And ya know, as the article hinted, it's just difficult to bring a physical approach to zone. Without physicality, you're not striking fear into the hearts of linebackers. But if you bring the hurt, those linebackers think twice about that whole "run stuffing" thing.

[The Raven]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

 

do we have a full position coverage for scouting on this forum then? the raven has oline, bmorebird has dbs in coverage... i feel like flex is pretty flames on edge rush guys - maybe we can fill out a roster of specialists on the next forum ready for the draft - so we know who to come to for specific prospect breakdowns lol

That's a brilliant idea. I feel capable of doing DT's, too. But hey. Who's got WRs? Hell, if you do good enough for the forum, Ozzie has a job for you.

[JoeyFlex5]

I wanna second that @BmoreBird22 schooled me up on coverage big time, a few years ago I couldn't even point out a cb being effective in zone and barely understood the concept of off-man, like if you're playing man why would you give separation from the very snap of the ball? Lol. 

And @The Raven helped me grasp inside zone because i couldn't make any sense of it myself, I thought it looked just like a gap scheme on film and couldn't tell them apart. 

If it wasn't for these forums I wouldn't know any more than the fans they interview on wjz after the game... and if you've ever seen that, you'd know that's a good thing lol 

and thanks for the shoutout @rossihunter2 

also, with the likelihood of us taking a bama player high every draft, @allblackraven could be the resident Alabama expert. But then again he has an obvious bias😂😂😂

Edited 17 hours ago by JoeyFlex5

[The Raven]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wanna second that @BmoreBird22 schooled me up on coverage big time, a few years ago I couldn't even point out a cb being effective in zone and barely understood the concept of off-man, like if you're playing man why would you give separation from the very snap of the ball? Lol. 

And @The Raven helped me grasp inside zone because i couldn't make any sense of it myself, I thought it looked just like a gap scheme on film and couldn't tell them apart. 

If it wasn't for these forums I wouldn't know any more than the fans they interview on wjz after the game... and if you've ever seen that, you'd know that's a good thing lol

Lmao, same, tbh. And ya know, I still can't make sense of inside zone  

Oh how I wish quality, intellectual discussion (as intellectual as football can get) was rewarded and not killed. 

Edited 17 hours ago by The Raven

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wanna second that @BmoreBird22 schooled me up on coverage big time, a few years ago I couldn't even point out a cb being effective in zone and barely understood the concept of off-man, like if you're playing man why would you give separation from the very snap of the ball? Lol. 

And @The Raven helped me grasp inside zone because i couldn't make any sense of it myself, I thought it looked just like a gap scheme on film and couldn't tell them apart. 

If it wasn't for these forums I wouldn't know any more than the fans they interview on wjz after the game... and if you've ever seen that, you'd know that's a good thing lol 

and thanks for the shoutout @rossihunter2 

also, with the likelihood of us taking a bama player high every draft, @allblackraven could be the resident Alabama expert. But then again he has an obvious bias😂😂😂

I'm just rolling with a tide, Joey 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Lmao, same, tbh. And ya know, I still can't make sense of inside zone  

Oh how I wish quality, intellectual discussion (as intellectual as football can get) was rewarded and not killed. 

I wish few of you guys are moving over to the new board, wherever we end up. Can't go back through archives any longer, you'll have to start explaining everything from scratch!

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Lmao, same, tbh. And ya know, I still can't make sense of inside zone  

Oh how I wish quality, intellectual discussion (as intellectual as football can get) was rewarded and not killed. 

Well inside zone doesn't make much sense to begin with. But I think it was you about 2 years ago helped me understand how the linemen play side stepped together to shield off sections of the line.. I still find it a really stupid concept but at least I have a grasp on it lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, allblackraven said:

I wish few of you guys are moving over to the new board, wherever we end up. Can't go back through archives any longer, you'll have to start explaining everything from scratch!

Referring to bolds board? 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Referring to bolds board? 

yep

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

yep

Seems most of us are headed there

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm just rolling with a tide, Joey 

ill personally be right there with you watching minkah fitzpatrick, Calvin Ridley, bo scarbrough, dashawn hand, and Ross pierschbacher (who I noticed watching some of the cam robinson tape)

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

ill personally be right there with you watching minkah fitzpatrick, Calvin Ridley, bo scarbrough, dashawn hand, and Ross pierschbacher (who I noticed watching some of the cam robinson tape)

I'm not certain Ridley and Fitzparick declare, as well as Ronnie Harrison, who is my next favourite.

[Willbacker]

I don't know how good a lineman hes gonna be But being Siragusa is a start. Just switching sides.

[AnthonyGames]

I think it's funny every single person seemingly was saying Lewis at LG. He has the same size as Wagner but more athletic. He looks like the perfect guy to play RT. He really only played guard because we had Wagner and Stanley, and he was the best other option at guard.

I love Stanley and Lewis at tackle, and Yanda at RG, obviously. I think Siragusa will be the perfect guy to play LG; he's the big body, road grater type. He specializes in run blocking, and that's what we need. I really want to see what Urschel can do at center! I like Urschel better at center and Jensen at guard. Jensen will provide solid depth at the guard or center spots.

 

 

 

 

[Cawtious]

11 hours ago, AnthonyGames said:

I think it's funny every single person seemingly was saying Lewis at LG. He has the same size as Wagner but more athletic. He looks like the perfect guy to play RT. He really only played guard because we had Wagner and Stanley, and he was the best other option at guard.

I love Stanley and Lewis at tackle, and Yanda at RG, obviously. I think Siragusa will be the perfect guy to play LG; he's the big body, road grater type. He specializes in run blocking, and that's what we need. I really want to see what Urschel can do at center! I like Urschel better at center and Jensen at guard. Jensen will provide solid depth at the guard or center spots.

 

 

 

 

Urschel at a solid 295 vs. Jensen now @ 325....Don't think Urschel has the mass to hold the pocket open!