Ravens 2017 UDFA Signings

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

theyd probably run into the same issues -- after 2 years of service with no football, i think itd be hard for a team to use a draft pick on them. Just like its hard to invest a pick in a guy youre only going to get 2 years on a rookie deal, and thats after 2 years of no competitive football.

youre right in that itd probably be better to enter the draft after the service commitment bc at least then youre getting 4 years... but still unlikely theyll get drafted.

I could be wrong here but I recall it being true that if you miss a certain period of time then that year won't count towards FA. Therefore delaying the player's entry into the FA pool.  This is why Jensen was an RFA this year and most notably applied to WR Josh Gordon.  It may even apply to Perriman due to the time he missed as a rookie.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

35 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I could be wrong here but I recall it being true that if you miss a certain period of time then that year won't count towards FA. Therefore delaying the player's entry into the FA pool.  This is why Jensen was an RFA this year and most notably applied to WR Josh Gordon.  It may even apply to Perriman due to the time he missed as a rookie.

Good point.  I dont know the particulars of the rule and when it applies... but if thats the case then its definitely in the players best interest to enter the draft immediately after school instead of waiting the 2 years.

[RavensFanMania]

45 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I could be wrong here but I recall it being true that if you miss a certain period of time then that year won't count towards FA. Therefore delaying the player's entry into the FA pool.  This is why Jensen was an RFA this year and most notably applied to WR Josh Gordon.  It may even apply to Perriman due to the time he missed as a rookie.

You are not wrong on this point.  This is absolutely correct.

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Good point.  I dont know the particulars of the rule and when it applies... but if thats the case then its definitely in the players best interest to enter the draft immediately after school instead of waiting the 2 years.

oh right - so if you draft a guy like robinette or give them a contract but they are essentially unavailable you essentially might postpone part of the contract like if they were retired a la rolando mcclain?

[Tiznut]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I could be wrong here but I recall it being true that if you miss a certain period of time then that year won't count towards FA. Therefore delaying the player's entry into the FA pool.  This is why Jensen was an RFA this year and most notably applied to WR Josh Gordon.  It may even apply to Perriman due to the time he missed as a rookie.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent

Edited Tuesday at 07:21 PM by Tiznut

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh right - so if you draft a guy like robinette or give them a contract but they are essentially unavailable you essentially might postpone part of the contract like if they were retired a la rolando mcclain?

RIght, enter the draft right away so teams are drafting the player they see right now on tape... go do your 2 years of service which essentially postpones the beginning of your rookie contract. When they come back youve still got player control on a rookie deal for 4 years.

In both cases the team is getting a player that will be coming off of 2 years without football. In both cases the team will have 4 years control on a rookie deal. But in one case, the player youre drafting has fresh tape and just came off a season. In the other scenario youre drafting a player whose tape is 2 years old.

Youre literally getting the same exact player under the same exact circumstances -- i just think theyd have a better shot at getting drafted if they enter immediately after their college career while their tape, play and achievements are fresh on evaluators minds.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, ThePittsburghHater said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/859248045598408704

And here is what that orphan link says: Former Alabama WR-KR-CB Christion Jones drawing attention from Ravens' scouts in The Spring League

[jdynamite]

I'd like to see them bring Speedy Noil in for a tryout. 

I'm sure he could make it as the returner and gadget play guy.  Insurance for Campanaro. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

I'd like to see them bring Speedy Noil in for a tryout. 

I'm sure he could make it as the returner and gadget play guy.  Insurance for Campanaro. 

didnt he have some off field issues or something?

 

EDIT: yea just looked in to it, hes been suspended a ton. Bowl games, off season stuff where he was suspended for openers at least twice.

And for a guy who was the top "athlete" recruit in the nation, the guy has failed miserably to live up to expectations. And honestly, if he wasnt humbled by his failures to be a standout player on the college level in his 3-4 years (whatever it was) i have 0 faith he's suddenly going to change his attitude and be motivated to live up to his natural ability.

I love guys who overcome being overlooked or bad circumstances in life or lack of natural gifts to become good players. You can trust those kinds of players usually to do everything they can to live up to their potential. 

The opposite is true here. I hate guys who have all the natural talent in the world and fail to perform. Especially when theyve had 3+ years to change their attitude or be humbled by not becoming a stand out player in college. What is suddenly going to change? He wasnt embarrassed by being a top national recruit and failing to put up even moderate production in college... hes not going to be embarrassed by going undrafted. He didnt learn from suspensions early on. He didnt learn from missing his first bowl game.

This is clearly a guy who feels he's owed something bc he was a high school hero, big fish in a small pond. And if his natural ability wasnt enough to break through at the college level, it wont come anywhere close to being an asset at the NFL level.

Edited yesterday at 03:40 PM by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Alnite32]

What do u guys think of undrafted Will Likely from Maryland? He maybe small in size but he's a play maker. I think he can come in an fight for that special teams return job. An he gives debt at alot of other positions.. I think he can fit in what u think?

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Alnite32 said:

What do u guys think of undrafted Will Likely from Maryland? He maybe small in size but he's a play maker. I think he can come in an fight for that special teams return job. An he gives debt at alot of other positions.. I think he can fit in what u think?

the problem with likely is he just is too short to offer anything outside of the returner role - as a pure coverage cornerback he has great coverage ability the problem is - a short slot receiver is still likely to have at least a few inches on him and imagine what he'd look like if he ended up being schemed up against a taller guy

just like every year i dont think we go into the season looking for a specialist return man and we'll be looking for someone who can affect other areas of the game to take on that role...

[jdynamite]

17 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

didnt he have some off field issues or something?

 

EDIT: yea just looked in to it, hes been suspended a ton. Bowl games, off season stuff where he was suspended for openers at least twice.

And for a guy who was the top "athlete" recruit in the nation, the guy has failed miserably to live up to expectations. And honestly, if he wasnt humbled by his failures to be a standout player on the college level in his 3-4 years (whatever it was) i have 0 faith he's suddenly going to change his attitude and be motivated to live up to his natural ability.

I love guys who overcome being overlooked or bad circumstances in life or lack of natural gifts to become good players. You can trust those kinds of players usually to do everything they can to live up to their potential. 

The opposite is true here. I hate guys who have all the natural talent in the world and fail to perform. Especially when theyve had 3+ years to change their attitude or be humbled by not becoming a stand out player in college. What is suddenly going to change? He wasnt embarrassed by being a top national recruit and failing to put up even moderate production in college... hes not going to be embarrassed by going undrafted. He didnt learn from suspensions early on. He didnt learn from missing his first bowl game.

This is clearly a guy who feels he's owed something bc he was a high school hero, big fish in a small pond. And if his natural ability wasnt enough to break through at the college level, it wont come anywhere close to being an asset at the NFL level.

 

Yeah he some off field concerns, suspensions for violating team rules and I think arguing with coaches, driving without a license and I think a possession charge as well. 

So yeah he's a knucklehead, that's why I said a tryout not sign him. A tryout is simply inviting him to camp for an attempt to be signed as Undrafted FA. 

TBH Texas A&M coaching staff just had a ton of issues I mean they recruited very well following Manziel on the offensive side of the ball, but they didn't develop any of those talented offensive players.  QBs K.Hill,K.Allen, K.Murray, then WRs R.Seals-Jones, S.Noil, F.Iheanacho all of these guys were 4 of 5 star prospects that either transferred away or did zilch.  

C.Kirk had success as highly recruited offensive talent that's about it over the last 3 years. 

 

And I see a kid like Speedy Noil or Malachi Dupre guys that were once heralded highschool players but may not have lived up to the hype and I think maybe they could be the next Martavius Bryant (4 star WR that did nothing at Clemson while Watkins & Hopkins became studs ) or Stefon Diggs who had production but nothing eyepopping, drops in draft looks rock solid. 

 

Speedy could be Russell Shepherd all over again top Athlete that never developed any further. 

But a camp tryout isn't that much of investment.