How good could this defense be??

[Ravens4Real]

Williams was never a starter in college and typically just played on passing downs. Not sure I see him stepping up in playing level and starting in the NFL against better competition. He will probably just be a 3rd down pass rusher for a couple years. 

Side note: we really love drafting old guys for some reason. Read Bowser and Williams are already 24 years old. I seem to remember that we recently drafted a guy or two that were extremely old, also.

[purpletide]

Yep.

[redrum52]

4 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Yep.

Is that T any good?

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, redrum52 said:

Is that T any good?

Doesn't matter, he outweighs him by probably 40 pounds and he knocked him into next week with only his elbow. 

Tim Williams is the steal of the draft

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Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Doesn't matter, he outweighs him by probably 40 pounds and he knocked him into next week with only his elbow. 

Tim Williams is the steal of the draft

I love the pick.. Just curious who it was.  Would rather see people post "highlights" of the players going against other great prospects.

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Williams was never a starter in college and typically just played on passing downs. Not sure I see him stepping up in playing level and starting in the NFL against better competition. He will probably just be a 3rd down pass rusher for a couple years. 

Side note: we really love drafting old guys for some reason. Read Bowser and Williams are already 24 years old. I seem to remember that we recently drafted a guy or two that were extremely old, also.

His run defense is highly underrated. He has shown some solid ability there when given the chance. He just was too valuable with fresh legs and Saban could afford to sit him on run downs.

and even if he never becomes a run defender, who cares lol. We drafted homeboy to get the qb, and he does that as well as anyone in the draft not named Myles Garrett. 

Fun number, he had a sack for every 10-11 snaps over 2 seasons. That INCLUDES run snaps. 

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1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His run defense is highly underrated. He has shown some solid ability there when given the chance. He just was too valuable with fresh legs and Saban could afford to sit him on run downs.

and even if he never becomes a run defender, who cares lol. We drafted homeboy to get the qb, and he does that as well as anyone in the draft not named Myles Garrett. 

Fun number, he had a sack for every 10-11 snaps over 2 seasons. That INCLUDES run snaps. 

Agree with the run defender part.  Said it earlier, I'll take someone who can only rush the passer.  The run defense is just goddam fine.  We lack guys who apply heat.

 

As for the bold... HOLY Crap!

 

I'm very excited about this defense.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His run defense is highly underrated. He has shown some solid ability there when given the chance. He just was too valuable with fresh legs and Saban could afford to sit him on run downs.

and even if he never becomes a run defender, who cares lol. We drafted homeboy to get the qb, and he does that as well as anyone in the draft not named Myles Garrett. 

Fun number, he had a sack for every 10-11 snaps over 2 seasons. That INCLUDES run snaps. 

Knock on his run game was mostly about his tendency to move in too quickly when more often than not he should just set the edge.

We were unbelievably lucky to get him in mid third. Found ourselves another one to light it up for 10+ years.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I love the pick.. Just curious who it was.  Would rather see people post "highlights" of the players going against other great prospects.

He generated some great pressure against germain ifedi last year for 4 quarters and escaped a good engagement to get the sack on a rollout with a great spin. 

Its on draftbreakdown. That was all I could find as far as great tackles go

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Knock on his run game was mostly about his tendency to move in too quickly when more often than not he should just set the edge.

We were unbelievably lucky to get him in mid third. Found ourselves another one to light it up for 10+ years.

Yeah I see that. You know he just wants to go make the play. The boy is hungry as hell. Sometimes it bites him because he has such a great motor that he just lets it carry him away sometimes. 

I think Suggs is gonna really take this guy under his wing and help make him something special. I look forward to a lot of "bicep bumps" between him and sizzle when they bookend a qb over and over

[allblackraven]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah I see that. You know he just wants to go make the play. The boy is hungry as hell. Sometimes it bites him because he has such a great motor that he just lets it carry him away sometimes. 

I think Suggs is gonna really take this guy under his wing and help make him something special. I look forward to a lot of "bicep bumps" between him and sizzle when they bookend a qb over and over

Can't wait. Maybe we see that nose broken again.

[Bruce_Almty]

This could be a Matt Stover 2.0 year featuring Justin Tucker.

[PurpleHorseman]

I like bowser at an ilb role with athleticism to cover and and X factor as a blitzed. Similar to Jamie Collins

[Dfence4champs2052]

I get so excited when I see those comparisons to our great defenses! I think they will live in the top 3 statistically once everyone has gelled and all falls into place. This can be a GREAT defense in a hurry. If we aren't going to have a great offense let's have that historically great defense we're renowned for in Baltimore!

[PurpleHorseman]

On 4/29/2017 at 4:45 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Doesn't matter, he outweighs him by probably 40 pounds and he knocked him into next week with only his elbow. 

Tim Williams is the steal of the draft

While Tim Williams is my favorite player in the draft it matters if the tackle was any good. Bad balance can make an awkward tackle look pathetic. You would never see him do that to Stanley unless he gets significantly bigger. Tim Williams needs to become a complete player. Not only talking about setting an edge but reading offenses and keys.

He needs a lot of time in a film room with Mosley and Suggs. When he becomes a complete player is when he is going to be a gamewrecker. Knowing when to rush, set an edge, stunt, drop in coverage. If he were a more complete player he would be a top 10 pick even with previous failed drug tests. 

[Number23]

I think maybe the most important thing about getting Bowser and Williams might be the depth we have now. Between them, Suggs, and Judon we look like we've always got a backup plan at a few positions and we don't have to play anyone in a role we don't feel comfortable putting them in.

[Sami84]

On 4/29/2017 at 11:35 PM, Ravens4Real said:

Williams was never a starter in college and typically just played on passing downs. Not sure I see him stepping up in playing level and starting in the NFL against better competition. He will probably just be a 3rd down pass rusher for a couple years. 

Side note: we really love drafting old guys for some reason. Read Bowser and Williams are already 24 years old. I seem to remember that we recently drafted a guy or two that were extremely old, also.

 

Williams is 23 and Bowser is 21.

In two years we'll see bowser in a more prominent role. 

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

Williams is 23 and Bowser is 21.

In two years we'll see bowser in a more prominent role. 

Williams is a phenom. Think Bruce Irvin with far more moves and a more natural and tougher player. Bowser I'm a touch skeptical. 

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Williams is a phenom. Think Bruce Irvin with far more moves and a more natural and tougher player. Bowser I'm a touch skeptical. 

yeah, same

 

I'm not a huge fan of the first two picks. Ozzie is a flat out liar about BPA when you have R.Foster, Allen and OJ howard on the board. If i wanted a corner so badly i'd have traded the 2nd round pick along with our first for marshon lattimore or traded back for sidney jones. 

 

Btw humphrey has had issues for years with the deep ball..even in high school ball. I dont think he'll ever be great at it. Then again we like getting beat deep it seems. We care more about hard hitters than playmakers.

Bowser looks too raw . 

 

[RayRayRaven]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

Btw humphrey has had issues for years with the deep ball..even in high school ball. I dont think he'll ever be great at it. Then again we like getting beat deep it seems. We care more about hard hitters than playmakers.

 

 

welcom to the club. sayed before you canna draff a secondary playa wiffout hands. but even more important is quick smarts recover an recognitshon things u canna teach.  pees beemed ovah humpf an its gonna be ammusin to watch how pees reacts to his awfal progres. bottum line on talant abov the neck we done draffed cleats again u culd undastan takin a shot at say rd 6 but if agains all reasin u were goin D this draff to take this guy ovah say allen is to rediculas to think about.  funniar yet they rely thing they draffed jimmy smith again.  not even close no whares in the same ballpark.  gotta tell u I doan even thang humpf has elams lumba and that in an age where playmakas have passed hittars an r playmakas are nil

Edited yesterday at 11:27 AM by RayRayRaven

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

welcom to the club. sayed before you canna draff a secondary playa wiffout hands. but even more important is quick smarts recover an recognitshon things u canna teach.  pees beemed ovah humpf an its gonna be ammusin to watch how pees reacts to his awfal progres. bottum line on talant abov the neck we done draffed cleats again u culd undastan takin a shot at say rd 6 but if agains all reasin u were goin D this draff to take this guy ovah say allen is to rediculas to think about.  funniar yet they rely thing they draffed jimmy smith again.  not even close no whares in the same ballpark.  gotta tell u I doan even thang humpf has elams lumba and that in an age where playmakas have passed hittars an r playmakas are nil

Quick smarts, recover, and recognitshon, as you so eloquently put it, are things Humphrey does very well though. He sits back, eyes on the receiver and qb, and diagnoses the whole field and reacts very quickly and accordingly, and secures the play. 

Inconsistent foot work on the hip-flip is not play recognition. Struggling to run downfield with your head turned around is not smarts(I wouldn't trust you to judge smarts anyway). 

And again, all things that jimmy smith struggled with immensely coming out, he was just better in press man than Humphrey while Humphrey is better in zone than jimmy was.

[Halshayeji]

On April 29, 2017 at 5:59 PM, jar2260 said:

The defense better be ready to score some points, Joe will be running for his life, and the run game will be non existent!

we pay Joe $20 some million, and don't protect him, WHY?

Because he's paid over 20 mil lol. We have to carve out bargains across the line or we'd be spending half the cap on a QB and his linemen. We already have an over achieving LT, RG, and Lewis. 2 more bargains and were set! 

[Halshayeji]

Could be great for years to come!

[RayRayRaven]

27 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Quick smarts, recover, and recognitshon, as you so eloquently put it, are things Humphrey does very well though. He sits back, eyes on the receiver and qb, and diagnoses the whole field and reacts very quickly and accordingly, and secures the play. 

Inconsistent foot work on the hip-flip is not play recognition. Struggling to run downfield with your head turned around is not smarts(I wouldn't trust you to judge smarts anyway). 

And again, all things that jimmy smith struggled with immensely coming out, he was just better in press man than Humphrey while Humphrey is better in zone than jimmy was.

thang jimmies collage film is stil out thar. the saddast part is we now havfta go thru this all deja voo ovah again. its gonna take pees and oz into the third yr to get an inklin they spended our numba 1 pic on a situashon playa. they didna get a game change and didna get a playmaka. da oz is da best evahs wil be makin exuces for four yrs and we will ride the mediogre train missin da playof stop until we do what has to be don.  once again the  prob is not humpf he is what he is the problam is within. the guy this bd needs to wach is the jags jalan myrick. they got him in the 7 rd and guessin he will not be fully apprecated until 2018 but when u move to otha bds jus rememba when he blossum rayray the raven sayed he will out play humpf by far.

Edited yesterday at 12:11 PM by RayRayRaven

[berad]

Could be great.

Should at least be really good.

You can tell the coaches and FO were stung by the defense faltering down the stretch. I expect them to reclaim a top 5 defense and remain steady throughout. I think Jeff Zrebiec tweeted that all of the starting front defense is 28 or younger, outside of Suggs and Weddle - a lot of young depth after that, too.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

Could be great.

Should at least be really good.

You can tell the coaches and FO were stung by the defense faltering down the stretch. I expect them to reclaim a top 5 defense and remain steady throughout. I think Jeff Zrebiec tweeted that all of the starting front defense is 28 or younger, outside of Suggs and Weddle - a lot of young depth after that, too.

it's a situation now where this defense is set up deep with young promising talent at most positions except maybe free safety - my hope is that the offense makes strides this year but even if they dont this team is set up so well if they can land some offensive talent in next year's draft... because outside of some dramatic unexpected busts this defense is not going to regress anytime soon

Edited yesterday at 07:12 PM by rossihunter2

[berad]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's a situation now where this defense is set up deep with young promising talent at most positions except maybe free safety - my hope is that the offense makes strides this year but even if they dont this team is set up so well if they can land some offensive talent in next year's draft... because outside of some dramatic unexpected busts this defense is not going to regress anytime soon

Yes, I agree, and it would be disappointing if they under-performed. All the resources they have put into that unit. I wish we had retained Leslie Frazier but he took a coordinator job.

I don't think we've gotten any better on offense, unless it is something more subtle with scheme and coaching. We lost our most reliable WR and leader, lost a premier RT, and traded away the starting center. Now, all of those things could be distant memories comes November, if new guys step up and returning players stay healthy. I'm optimistic but harbor doubts.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, berad said:

Yes, I agree, and it would be disappointing if they under-performed. All the resources they have put into that unit. I wish we had retained Leslie Frazier but he took a coordinator job.

I don't think we've gotten any better on offense, unless it is something more subtle with scheme and coaching. We lost our most reliable WR and leader, lost a premier RT, and traded away the starting center. Now, all of those things could be distant memories comes November, if new guys step up and returning players stay healthy. I'm optimistic but harbor doubts.

oh i agree entirely - im very skeptical of this offense improving this year although as a whole it was pretty disappointing most of last year anyway - im not sure it could get a huge amount worse at times (although it obviously improved towards the end of the year)

my point was more that this team is set up incredibly well for the next few years if even 2 of our draft picks from this year pan out and I'd be surprised if less than 3 did to be honest, especially given the amount of cap space we are projected to have next offseason compared to what we normally have barring something going wrong this year

[berad]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh i agree entirely - im very skeptical of this offense improving this year although as a whole it was pretty disappointing most of last year anyway - im not sure it could get a huge amount worse at times (although it obviously improved towards the end of the year)

my point was more that this team is set up incredibly well for the next few years if even 2 of our draft picks from this year pan out and I'd be surprised if less than 3 did to be honest, especially given the amount of cap space we are projected to have next offseason compared to what we normally have barring something going wrong this year

Definitely, definitely. Is it football season yet?

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, berad said:

Definitely, definitely. Is it football season yet?

im just so excited about the possibility of us being good this year because if we are then our superbowl window is as wide as its ever been (or at least has been for a long time)