[News] What's Up With Not Drafting Any Offensive Players? Ozzie Newsome Answers

[designermaryland]

If all you talk about all off season is getting playmakers, how do you turn around and completely abandon that philosophy on draft day? i do not buy the best player BS. You have to have some sense of direction on what you need to get, and they seem to be oblivious that they are so scattered. There is probably a .001 of a difference in their scoring evaluations on these guys. The offense has been complete garbage for at least every year aside from the 1 decent kubiak year where they looked solid. otherwise, it is a discombobulated mess. but, keep drafting more linebackers from alabama.

[designermaryland]

  16 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  17 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  On 4/29/2017 at 0:46 AM, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong.

personally, i see no lightbulb on in harbaughs head, but when you hear the analysts talk, they seem to think he would be a highly sought after coach if he was canned. i would happily send him packing. there has been almost zero player development in his entire tenure, including flacco who has regressed. i think if they had not stumbled upon tucker as a FA, this would be uglier than it already is.

[GENE2407]

If all you talk about all off season is getting playmakers, how do you turn around and completely abandon that philosophy on draft day? i do not buy the best player BS. You have to have some sense of direction on what you need to get, and they seem to be oblivious that they are so scattered. There is probably a .001 of a difference in their scoring evaluations on these guys. The offense has been complete garbage for at least every year aside from the 1 decent kubiak year where they looked solid. otherwise, it is a discombobulated mess. but, keep drafting more linebackers from alabama.

It's going to take several drafts to fix this team. I'm ok with using this year on defense......it would have to be done at some point. Next year hopefully they'll draft mostly offense. It's going to take a lot more than a pick or two to fix that offense. It is absolutely void of blue chip talent (other than Yanda, who's a freakin guard).

[GENE2407]

  21 hours ago, Crusader said:

  22 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  23 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  On 4/29/2017 at 0:46 AM, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong.

You do realize that your inability to be objective puts a lot of your comments in the irrational zone. You are so eager to hate everything the Ravens coaches and FO do, that you are unable to realistically view them the way that the rest of the league does. And of course there are guys on the other side of the objectivity spectrum too. They are the "purple koolaid" guys, but because you are sooo far on the other side of the spectrum, you label the people who make rational and objective comments as homers. Some of the things you say are just not based in any type of reality. Rex Ryan got a head coaching job right after the Jets let him go. And his time with the Jets was far less impressive than Johns. Andy Reed is in the same boat. John has made it to the playoffs a higher percentage of the time than Reed did in Philly. He has won a Superbowl, and has won the same amount of playoff games in 9 years, than Reed did in 14 years with the Eagles. And there are countless other examples of coaches having far less success than John, that have become a head coach for another team the season after they have gotten fired from another team. It is completely fair to talk about moving on from Jim and other guys in the FO if we dont have a good season. It is completely relevant and rational discussion to have. But to think that their wont be any teams that will be in line for JHs services as a head coach just isn't based in reality. But on top of that you are saying that he will have to go back down to the college level to get a job and thats crazy. And on top of that when you wrote this we were only 3 rounds into the draft with more than 3 months till the first game starts and you think we should throw in the towel already because Joe is going to get "beat up" because we didnt draft an OL in the first 3 rounds. You are wrong in this case the vast majority of the time because of your bias. And than every so often you say something really interesting and insightful that makes a lot of sense only to fall off the rails again.

My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.

[757RavensFan]

Why does everyone put every pick on Ozzie? Even though I've never been in the war room, I would assume EVERY pick is a calculated pick that the GM, ASST GM, owner and coaches all agree on. 

I read somewhere that Marty even told the group that they HAD to pick Tim Williams bc it's about team 1st and Williams would definitely make the team better.  

I just don't get all the hate Ozzie gets when the "group" builds the draft list and picks from it based on team need and BPA.  

Edited Sunday at 12:08 PM by 757RavensFan

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, GENE2407 said:

My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.
 

I can't argue with that.  That is actually a pretty fair argument in my book

Edited Sunday at 01:13 PM by billiejean

[BigUgly]

1 hour ago, GENE2407 said:

My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.
 

The head coach is responsible for hiring & firing his staff.  Harbs has, in his time in Baltimore, surrounded himself with very experienced coordinators and one of the largest (and presumably most expensive) staffs in the NFL.  Harbs is a great head coach in nearly every area, but game-day decision making and selecting coordinators (especially on offense) isn't his strong suit.  On defense, the inability to hold a lead is a hallmark of the Pees defense, regardless of players.  Can't be any excuses for the D after this draft, that's for sure.

On offense, we have migrated from a power running, deep pass attack of Cam to the zone-blocking, play-action pass style of Kubiak to whatever the hell Trestman and then Marty tried to Frankenstein together.  Firing OCs in mid-season has become a disturbing trend.  Not sure what the identity of the offense will be now, but it seems as though the talent is lacking in many areas to execute much of anything very well.

It all circles back to Harbs.  His coordinators and his staff are a reflection on him, and he doesn't have any room to make yet another major shift.  

[Crusader]

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Crusader said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 8:46 AM, bioLarzen said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM, BiggMack91 said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 0:46 AM, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong.

You do realize that your inability to be objective puts a lot of your comments in the irrational zone. You are so eager to hate everything the Ravens coaches and FO do, that you are unable to realistically view them the way that the rest of the league does. And of course there are guys on the other side of the objectivity spectrum too. They are the "purple koolaid" guys, but because you are sooo far on the other side of the spectrum, you label the people who make rational and objective comments as homers. Some of the things you say are just not based in any type of reality. Rex Ryan got a head coaching job right after the Jets let him go. And his time with the Jets was far less impressive than Johns. Andy Reed is in the same boat. John has made it to the playoffs a higher percentage of the time than Reed did in Philly. He has won a Superbowl, and has won the same amount of playoff games in 9 years, than Reed did in 14 years with the Eagles. And there are countless other examples of coaches having far less success than John, that have become a head coach for another team the season after they have gotten fired from another team. It is completely fair to talk about moving on from Jim and other guys in the FO if we dont have a good season. It is completely relevant and rational discussion to have. But to think that their wont be any teams that will be in line for JHs services as a head coach just isn't based in reality. But on top of that you are saying that he will have to go back down to the college level to get a job and thats crazy. And on top of that when you wrote this we were only 3 rounds into the draft with more than 3 months till the first game starts and you think we should throw in the towel already because Joe is going to get "beat up" because we didnt draft an OL in the first 3 rounds. You are wrong in this case the vast majority of the time because of your bias. And than every so often you say something really interesting and insightful that makes a lot of sense only to fall off the rails again.

I think you shoild read your comments. They apply more to what your saying than to me. Its easy to critize what others are seeing what do you see? I seen Brian B embraced Rays influence and John fought it until the "mutiny ". I give you another prediction. The defense will play great the first three quarters again but because of the three and outs they break. The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place. Kyle was Joe's best blocker amoung TE. He gone. I'm not going to get upset this year if we go 4 and 12 then load up with offensive players that will set the Ravens up for next 5 years. Face it Ravens have to get by New England and their not there yet. Pro foot ball picked the last three years Ravens fished. Im waiting on this year's prediction.

[Crusader]

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 8:17 PM, billiejean said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Crusader said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 8:46 AM, bioLarzen said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM, BiggMack91 said:

  On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 0:46 AM, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong.

You do realize that your inability to be objective puts a lot of your comments in the irrational zone. You are so eager to hate everything the Ravens coaches and FO do, that you are unable to realistically view them the way that the rest of the league does. And of course there are guys on the other side of the objectivity spectrum too. They are the "purple koolaid" guys, but because you are sooo far on the other side of the spectrum, you label the people who make rational and objective comments as homers. Some of the things you say are just not based in any type of reality. Rex Ryan got a head coaching job right after the Jets let him go. And his time with the Jets was far less impressive than Johns. Andy Reed is in the same boat. John has made it to the playoffs a higher percentage of the time than Reed did in Philly. He has won a Superbowl, and has won the same amount of playoff games in 9 years, than Reed did in 14 years with the Eagles. And there are countless other examples of coaches having far less success than John, that have become a head coach for another team the season after they have gotten fired from another team. It is completely fair to talk about moving on from Jim and other guys in the FO if we dont have a good season. It is completely relevant and rational discussion to have. But to think that their wont be any teams that will be in line for JHs services as a head coach just isn't based in reality. But on top of that you are saying that he will have to go back down to the college level to get a job and thats crazy. And on top of that when you wrote this we were only 3 rounds into the draft with more than 3 months till the first game starts and you think we should throw in the towel already because Joe is going to get "beat up" because we didnt draft an OL in the first 3 rounds. You are wrong in this case the vast majority of the time because of your bias. And than every so often you say something really interesting and insightful that makes a lot of sense only to fall off the rails again.

My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.

I agree but let's realize something. Cam was not as good as Kubiac but was better than what replaced him since. Cam could get us very close but just could not close the deal. A team that won two superbowls in the 2000's and we can't get a good OC cordinator what gives?

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I think you shoild read your comments. They apply more to what your saying than to me. Its easy to critize what others are seeing what do you see? I seen Brian B embraced Rays influence and John fought it until the "mutiny ". I give you another prediction. The defense will play great the first three quarters again but because of the three and outs they break. The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place. Kyle was Joe's best blocker amoung TE. He gone. I'm not going to get upset this year if we go 4 and 12 then load up with offensive players that will set the Ravens up for next 5 years. Face it Ravens have to get by New England and their not there yet. Pro foot ball picked the last three years Ravens fished. Im waiting on this year's prediction.

Crusader what you have have put up arguments that have nothing to do with my assertion.

 

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I agree but let's realize something. Cam was not as good as Kubiac but was better than what replaced him since. Cam could get us very close but just could not close the deal. A team that won two superbowls in the 2000's and we can't get a good OC cordinator what gives?

Thats a completely valid argument and I agree with all of that.  And I think there have been multiple instances when he has made poor choices in teh coaching department. Deciding to stick with Trestman last spring only to let im go is another example of that.  Im not all the confident in Martys abilities at this point either.  I think Trestman was an odd choice since the beginnin.  Joe had one of the best seasons of his career under Kubiak, and i thought picking another M Shanahan disciple would be the obvious choice.

[billiejean]

2 hours ago, Crusader said:

I think you shoild read your comments. They apply more to what your saying than to me. Its easy to critize what others are seeing what do you see? I seen Brian B embraced Rays influence and John fought it until the "mutiny ". I give you another prediction. The defense will play great the first three quarters again but because of the three and outs they break. The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place. Kyle was Joe's best blocker amoung TE. He gone. I'm not going to get upset this year if we go 4 and 12 then load up with offensive players that will set the Ravens up for next 5 years. Face it Ravens have to get by New England and their not there yet. Pro foot ball picked the last three years Ravens fished. Im waiting on this year's prediction.

My argument wasnt about your thoughts on Harbaughs coaching abilities.  My rebuttal to your argument was that if Harbaugh were to be let go after the season, he would not have to go back to the College ranks to get a job and that there would be plenty of teams in the NFL that would be interested in his services as a HC.

My second argument isnt about how the O Line will perform this year.  My argument is that with 3 months until the begging of the season, and with only 3 rounds of the draft in the books, it is way to early to label position groups in a negative or positive way. Anything could happen between now and then.  We could pick up Mangold, or a guy that gets cut, and really the possibilities are endless.  And without knowing who will start this year its extremely difficult to make predictions about the OL performance.

Your argument - "The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place"

In 2011 the Ravens lost both Jared Gaither and Ben Grubs to free agency at the end of the season.  So in 2012 Oher moved to LT, we drafted KO who played at RT (he switched to LG in the playoffs) and we picked a 36 year old veteran in Bobby Williams to start at LG.  The LG position that year was a revolving door.  Both Ramone Harrwood and Jah Reid played at that position at times during the regular season.  And that OL with two new starters got us to the SB.  They weren't the best OL in the league, but they played well as unit that year, even with the constant changes at LG.  And I am sure I could find a lot more instances where an OLine had 2 new starters and played well.  I even think that I could find a line that played well with 3 new starters from the previous year.

your argument - "Kyle was Joe's best blocker among TE. He gone."

For starters I don"t think that is an accurate statement, especially because we have two of the biggest TEs in the league with Gilmore and Boyle.

But what really gets me about that statement is that you continually made comments about how terrible of a blocker that Kyle was last year through out the entire season.  And even after the season ended and he was rated as the best FB in the league, you were still adamant about the fact that he was an awful blocker.  And that was only 2 months ago.

[Ravenslifer]

Kenny Bell and Vince Mayle were two guys I looked at when they were coming out - neither were drafted by us but they're with us now.  I want them to get a lot of looks in TC - Kenny Bell I especially thought highly of when he was coming out of Nebraska.  He's got size and speed, and played very well in college in a pro style offense, I believe, so he knows routes.  But if they're serious that they have enough wideouts, then I expect six or seven of them to MAKE this roster, and actually play.  It will be extremely telling about the confidence they have in these young guys if the front office signs a veteran free agent receiver at some point.