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[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I don't like this pick but don't loath it either, very in the middle. I don't like the dlinemen in this draft but I could easily see Wormley developing into a Lawerence Guy type. A guy who does a lot of the unheralded dirty work and doesn't get credit, but still plays a big role. 

 

I'm mad at Ozzie for ignoring the offense, but all in all. It could've been worse. 

[Jonah DeVito]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

never heard that about adams and i thought the mcdowell effort criticisms were harsh... but yeah - lots of dlinemen being accused of low effort

I mean if I was McDowell and the only one on my team that could generate consistent pressure I'd definitely take some breaks out of frustration lol 

[Jacquouille]

Don't really get the hate. He wasn't used well in Michigan but absolutely killed it at the Senior Bowl when they put him inside. I think he can be a starter from Day one as a DE for us.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, SepticeyePoe said:

That's probably why. I'll give him a chance to prove that he is worth the pick.

Yeah definitely no effort or attitude issues. Just nothing stand out about the guy. He's a big dude and he will surprise you with a great sudden sidestep here and there and he'll close in faster than you expect, but for a man his size he seems to get tangled 1on1 with blockers quite often and get stuck in one place. Doesn't seem his strength is always there for him and the burst seems to come in spurts, it never seems to be there consistently. 

[KBoum]

To be honest he is exactly what the Ravens needed. I don't get the hate.

 

Webb - Weddle

Jefferson - Mosley - Bowser

Suggs/Z Smith/ - Pierce/Davis - Williams - Wormley/Kaufusi

and on passing downs you can kick Wormley inside.... He moves so well he's a great fit for our defense

 

Jefferson was the best safety/LB last year for the run % stop. He's such a good tackle. This is some scary front 7 imo. And thats only when playing the run. I havent't used the pass rushers yet for the passing situations/Nickle/Dime

 

Edited Saturday at 10:58 AM by KBoum

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, KBoum said:

To be honest he is exactly what the Ravens needed. I don't get the hate.

 

Webb - Weddle

Jefferson - Mosley - Bowser

Suggs/Z Smith/ - Pierce/Davis - Williams - Wormley/Kaufusi

and on passing downs you can kick Wormley inside.... He moves so well he's a great fit for our defense

 

Jefferson was the best safety/LB last year for the run % stop. He's such a good tackle. This is some scary front 7 imo. And thats only when playing the run. I havent't used the pass rushers yet for the passing situations/Nickle/Dime

 

You've forgotten Matt judon, Brent urban and willie henry who all figure to play big roles this year

[KBoum]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

You've forgotten Matt judon, Brent urban and willie henry who all figure to play big roles this year

Yeah well on passing situations you can some something like that :

 

Bowser/Correa - Mosley

Suggs/Judon - Henry/Kaufusi/Z Smith - Urban/Wormley - T.Williams/Z.Smith

 

Its kinda scary all the versatility Pees is going to have. You can plug everyone everywhere.

[Kid87]

I'm a Michigan fan.. I've watched this guy.. He is solid.. He plays more like a DE than DT.. my only concern is run stopping.. but he plays through the whistle. You guys are gonna like him . Only significant injury I remember is an ACL injury  in 2012 as a freshman 

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I don't like this pick but don't loath it either, very in the middle. I don't like the dlinemen in this draft but I could easily see Wormley developing into a Lawerence Guy type. A guy who does a lot of the unheralded dirty work and doesn't get credit, but still plays a big role. 

 

I'm mad at Ozzie for ignoring the offense, but all in all. It could've been worse. 

I'm thinking something is going to happen on offense.  He's bringing somebody in..  I'm thinking veteran WR.

[The Raven]

After watching this guy vs Wisconsin, Penn State, and Florida State, I'm not the biggest fan of the pick. As people have said, he has a high floor but I think a very low ceiling. He looks NFL ready to me, but I think he is who he is. He's going to be Lawrence Guy, and that's it. I see nothing more than Lawrence Guy, and I'd like a little more ROI from a 3rd.

I think Ozzie sees Pernell McPhee in him. He has the capability to line up at any position -- and he did in college -- but the thing is he's average at each spot.

He's strong *enough*, he's quick *enough* on the inside, and his hand use is non existent from what I can see. He has a good punch but it doesn't look like he knows how to disengage. I'm not really seeing anything.

If you ask me, this guy would be most viable if he dropped 15-20 pounds to play 4-3 LE (and get some burst back) and then slide inside on third down. Even at his current weight, he's not strong enough to anchor or bull rush in the NFL, and he's too slow to do anything else. If he puts on more weight to anchor and bull, he will lose whatever burst he has. He's a man without a position.

Coming from the outside, he wins through effort and hustle. He's a hustle guy through and through. Nothing against that per se, but if you won with hustle in college, how do you expect to win in the NFL?

[arnie_uk]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

After watching this guy vs Wisconsin, Penn State, and Florida State, I'm not the biggest fan of the pick. As people have said, he has a high floor but I think a very low ceiling. He looks NFL ready to me, but I think he is who he is. He's going to be Lawrence Guy, and that's it. I see nothing more than Lawrence Guy, and I'd like a little more ROI from a 3rd.

I think Ozzie sees Pernell McPhee in him. He has the capability to line up at any position -- and he did in college -- but the thing is he's average at each spot.

He's strong *enough*, he's quick *enough* on the inside, and his hand use is non existent from what I can see. He has a good punch but it doesn't look like he knows how to disengage. I'm not really seeing anything.

If you ask me, this guy would be most viable if he dropped 15-20 pounds to play 4-3 LE (and get some burst back) and then slide inside on third down. Even at his current weight, he's not strong enough to anchor or bull rush in the NFL, and he's too slow to do anything else. If he puts on more weight to anchor and bull, he will lose whatever burst he has. He's a man without a position.

Coming from the outside, he wins through effort and hustle. He's a hustle guy through and through. Nothing against that per se, but if you won with hustle in college, how do you expect to win in the NFL?

If you listen to the pressure hustle seems to be one of their highest priorities when they look at what skills players have 

[JoeyFlex5]

Watching some film on wormley, and still not understanding why we took him, and while I had a lower grade on him, there's reason to be excited. 

We have so much brute force on the front and so much incredible talent off the ball/on the edge. Wormley brings a skillset that collapses one side of the line in the pass rush. If we're rushing from a 43, wormley and Henry at DT could be a special tandem, judon or kaufusi and williams on the ends, bowser and correa at OLB. What the hell man, what a front. 

And then for a 34 rush front we have kaufusi at the 5, wormley at the 3 with ability to slide wide into the 5, bwill at the nose, or pierce if he does better penetrating the pocket, then williams and bowser at OLB. 

All with potentially the best secondary in the league. 

I absolutely cannot believe how much our defense has changed in the past few years, this is gonna be a fun couple of years

[purpletide]

Don't love the pick, but I'm growing on him.

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

If you listen to the pressure hustle seems to be one of their highest priorities when they look at what skills players have 

I wish good hands and quick burst were higher on their pass rusher priority list.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

I wish good hands and quick burst were higher on their pass rusher priority list.

i mean tim williams seems to embody those traits pretty nicely

[The Raven]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

i mean tim williams seems to embody those traits pretty nicely

Tim Williams is one of very few DL/edge picks that embody that. John Simon, Upshaw, DTs not named Willie Henry and Bronson Kaufusi, and even Paul Kruger had no hand use or burst. Just hustle. Sergio Kindle had both but...

We're getting better at it. Judon last year has both. ZDS has hand use, at least.

I realize Tim has what I'm looking for, but he's been the outlier.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Wormley is a solid prospect.  He's not a favorite and it's not like that matters but he's solid. I am just mad because of the repeated investments into DL with sometimes very little dividends.  We took Williams in 2013 and he's been a success and Jernigan had success as a 2nd round pick but he's now gone and we could've had some great WR talent at his pick in 2014. Urban is the same way--good guy but has done very little for us and we could've used that pick elsewhere at a position like WR rather than another DL after taking Jernigan. Then 2015 we take Carl Davis, who has largely been a bust so far, and last year we took Kaufusi who got hurt and did nothing. 

I have no problem loading up on DL but sometimes you need to cool down and go other avenues. And how many picks have we invested into WR during that span? Probably way less than DL. I could say the same about CB, too. Thank God Ozzie finally took a CB early

[Bltravens]

4 hours ago, The Raven said:

Tim Williams is one of very few DL/edge picks that embody that. John Simon, Upshaw, DTs not named Willie Henry and Bronson Kaufusi, and even Paul Kruger had no hand use or burst. Just hustle. Sergio Kindle had both but...

We're getting better at it. Judon last year has both. ZDS has hand use, at least.

I realize Tim has what I'm looking for, but he's been the outlier.

To be fair to Kruger he developed a really good rip move.  May have been a one trick pony but that takes hand use.

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[Edgar]

I was pretty down on the idea of Wormley in round two. Third round offers good value, particularly in the light of us Landing Tim Williams just after.

He is pro ready run defender who can get push inside on passing downs. He also has a good swim move and I believe upside as interior rusher.

Very good athleticism for a huge guy. 

Again, without Bowser and Williams I would likely be a little disappointed. But, I really appreciate the vision/direction of the FO in picks 1 through 4.

Wormley is a big piece going forward.

[Sami84]

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/dl/

 

just thought you should see this. 

this guy is a really good athlete.

[RThunder]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/dl/

 

just thought you should see this. 

this guy is a really good athlete.

Am I reading that chart correctly? that he is in the 94th percentile of most athletic DT in the NFL?

[Sami84]

Just now, RThunder said:

Am I reading that chart correctly? that he is in the 94th percentile of most athletic DT in the NFL?

yup

[RaineV1]

Wormley offers some really good traits and we're good at developing dts. Not my first choice for the pick but it's a good fit and a good value.

[Davesta]

I know in the presser they said Wormley was a "red star," but we already have urban and kaufusi. I wished we went WR here. Chris Godwin was still available. But guess we'll see in a year or two 

Edited Sunday at 12:20 PM by Davesta

[ravensnation5220]

I honestly think this is our safest pick by far. No bust potential, some compare him to Guy but i feel like hes longer and more athletic

Also, I bet you he blocks a feild goal for us lol

[ravensnation5220]

6 hours ago, Davesta said:

I know in the presser they said Wormley was a "red star," but we already have urban and kaufusi. I wished we went WR here. Chris Godwin was still available. But guess we'll see in a year or two 

They have injury issues too though. I honestly love the depth of our Dline. We can bring in fresh legs and have little to no drop off in production

[ALPHA]

If nothing else he's going to be a monster run stopper, size/speed numbers and balance on tape is very unusual for a big body. His tape reminds me of Chris Jones from last years draft.

[allblackraven]

Watched some videos of Wormley made in a lead up to combine / draft. This dude looks, plays, works and talks like a man on the mission. He really impressed me, has a potential to be what Jernigan was supposed to turn into for us.

[Sami84]

On 4/29/2017 at 4:30 PM, The Raven said:

Tim Williams is one of very few DL/edge picks that embody that. John Simon, Upshaw, DTs not named Willie Henry and Bronson Kaufusi, and even Paul Kruger had no hand use or burst. Just hustle. Sergio Kindle had both but...

We're getting better at it. Judon last year has both. ZDS has hand use, at least.

I realize Tim has what I'm looking for, but he's been the outlier.

 

Sergio Kindle was never tim williams when it came to burst. to this day I'm wondering who started the sergio kindle hype train