Welcome to Baltimore Tim Williams

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Barnett is the best pass rusher but he's also a 3 down defender. Williams is hands down the best speed rusher and really Garrett is just the biggest freak. 

When i said best pass rusher i meant it by his prototypical length and his array of moves. I love barnett but he doesnt have the length and explosion tim has. He also only really uses his dip and rip to get by tackles. Tim can beat you with like 5 moves lol

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

When i said best pass rusher i meant it by his prototypical length and his array of moves. I love barnett but he doesnt have the length and explosion tim has. He also only really uses his dip and rip to get by tackles. Tim can beat you with like 5 moves lol

Barnett can as well, his moves are just more subtle. Obviously Barnett isn't as explosive as a lot of guys, and the value of williams at 78 compared to Barnett at 14 is obviously a win for us. But I think barnetts ability to play chess and make tackles second guess themselves and barnetts ability to capitalize on every little opportunity is special 

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

When i said best pass rusher i meant it by his prototypical length and his array of moves. I love barnett but he doesnt have the length and explosion tim has. He also only really uses his dip and rip to get by tackles. Tim can beat you with like 5 moves lol

Tim could very easily be the top Edge defender in this class. His potential is extremely high and impressive and he's very explosive. I'm still a huge fan of Ryan Anderson, his teammate, just because I felt like Tim went straight up the field at times and that just really drives me nuts as a pass rusher but the explosiveness is there and so is the willingness to improve. I think Williams has a very nice array of moves to use and that's great. The question here is if we can make him a complete player. 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

I'd rather link Harris to the spin move, as his comes with better timing (nothing that can't be improved). 

What I think William does already better than anyone in the class, though, is countering (something that we know Takk and even my boy Laws were missing). He's a really natural and explosive pass rusher. We can only hope he'll manage to keep himself clean at this point.

Harris' spin move looks really ineffective to me. He spins while continuing in the same direction and doesn't counter back inside effectively when he does it, at least not consistently. Harris has a tendency to do some crazy beautiful stuff and just as often fail miserably to use the same tactic. When Harris spins lightning fast but doesn't even change directions it frustrates me so bad. Williams completely reverses his Path on his spin

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

When i said best pass rusher i meant it by his prototypical length and his array of moves. I love barnett but he doesnt have the length and explosion tim has. He also only really uses his dip and rip to get by tackles. Tim can beat you with like 5 moves lol

The thing about Williams is that he thinks through the play, adjusts according to what he's seen and does all that at great speed. I have no doubt he'll have some solid production in his rookie year but once he gets used to NFL football, linemen better be on top of their game, otherwise no golf carts and rolexes for them.

[allblackraven]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Tim could very easily be the top Edge defender in this class. His potential is extremely high and impressive and he's very explosive. I'm still a huge fan of Ryan Anderson, his teammate, just because I felt like Tim went straight up the field at times and that just really drives me nuts as a pass rusher but the explosiveness is there and so is the willingness to improve. I think Williams has a very nice array of moves to use and that's great. The question here is if we can make him a complete player. 

Bowser seems fine but I wish we used that pick on Anderson, especially now that we have Williams as well. I really believe Steelers and Ravens dropped the ball there, us with Bowser and them with Watt. Skins front with Allen and Anderson will be terrible thing to play against.

[ravensnation5220]

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Bowser seems fine but I wish we used that pick on Anderson, especially now that we have Williams as well. I really believe Steelers and Ravens dropped the ball there, us with Bowser and them with Watt. Skins front with Allen and Anderson will be terrible thing to play against.

Idk i like bowser more than Anderson. Bowser has the length and more twitch. I know anderson is a fan favourite but Bowser brings much more value with bis versatility. Has much more upside as well. 

I hope Watt busts lol. Pittsburg usnt great at drafting OLBs anyways. Kinda like us and recievers its funny how that works cause its vice versa with who we draft well

[Ravens4Real]

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Idk i like bowser more than Anderson. Bowser has the length and more twitch. I know anderson is a fan favourite but Bowser brings much more value with bis versatility. Has much more upside as well. 

I hope Watt busts lol. Pittsburg usnt great at drafting OLBs anyways. Kinda like us and recievers its funny how that works cause its vice versa with who we draft well

I hope Watt busts but he just looks like a damn good football player on film. One of the most athletically gifted OLB's tested at the combine, a never ending motor and still learning the position and best days are a couple years in front of him? I would have been ecstatic if the Ravens would of somehow got him.

At points you just have to give it up to another FO and nod in agreement in the pick. Not the same situation but exactly like the Browns with Garrett. If they would have taken Trubisky over him, that would have set them back another 5 years.

[Sami84]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

so Thomas could not cover nor rush the passer because he was to heavy?

 

 

 

different kind of player. Of course he could, he was an athletic freak. If he was in this draft and seeing who he became hes acually the closest thing to myles garrett.

Edited Monday at 08:36 PM by Sami84

[jimmypowder]

Tim Williams has by far the most talent out of anyone we picked in the draft! 

Tim,please stay clean. This is your big chance .

[purpletide]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

Tim Williams has by far the most talent out of anyone we picked in the draft! 

Tim,please stay clean. This is your big chance .

I think he will, as he said when he was drafted, he has a daughter now so he's no longer living for himself.

[PurpleCity5]

This is honestly my favorite pick in the draft, Siragusa comes close though but Williams is such a great pick here. He's got such talent and upside to go along with it. I think he's plenty refined and has great burst running to the QB. He's easily more ahead of the curve than Za'Darius and Judon were when they got drafted. That to go along with the value of picking him in the 3rd just makes me so happy.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Bowser seems fine but I wish we used that pick on Anderson, especially now that we have Williams as well. I really believe Steelers and Ravens dropped the ball there, us with Bowser and them with Watt. Skins front with Allen and Anderson will be terrible thing to play against.

I like bowser better. Better in coverage for sure and shows a higher ceiling as a pass rusher, less refined as a rusher but I think he should take to coaching well and pan out better than Anderson who has less natural tools and wins with better hand usage 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I'd rather link Harris to the spin move, as his comes with better timing

im not sure i agree with this - harris uses the spin more often but i dont see it as being executed as well - i suppose when harris gets it right its slightly more effective because it emphasizes timing - but so often i see him get the timing wrong and he isnt violent enough to execute the move without great timing - i saw him spinning in place so many times whereas when williams uses the spin move it's often violent and purposeful

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Garrett is a better version of Clowney.  Clowney received a lot more hype but wasn't as good of a prospect in my opinion. I never liked his work ethic and always questioned it.  

i agree with this - clowney was way more hyped for the athletic traits vs garrett - people were calling clowney a once in a generational type talent which i just didnt see - athletically that makes more sense for garrett than clowney - i agree that garrett has been overhyped... i think many media analysts seem to forget that it's not all about sheer athleticism (garrett im sure will succeed though, he seems like a very motivated and intelligent young man who's surprisingly interesting as a person as well as a prospect)

[ravensnation5220]

Would anyone care to explain Williams' extremely poor 3 cone time of 7.36 that's really bad for an undersized edge guy who's labeled as a fast twitch player. Meanwhile Bowser had a 6.75

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Would anyone care to explain Williams' extremely poor 3 cone time of 7.36 that's really bad for an undersized edge guy who's labeled as a fast twitch player. Meanwhile Bowser had a 6.75

As explosive and flexible as he is, his footwork isn't the greatest. He takes wide steps and has a tendency to lose balance and get heavy feet

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As explosive and flexible as he is, his footwork isn't the greatest. He takes wide steps and has a tendency to lose balance and get heavy feet

True I guess I can see that. I found it kinda interesting

[Sami84]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As explosive and flexible as he is, his footwork isn't the greatest. He takes wide steps and has a tendency to lose balance and get heavy feet

best thing about footwork is that it's correctable. Explosiveness isnt.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Williams looks like he has a motor that will not stop from the video i have seen. Cannot wait to see him on the field.

 

On a side note: Will miss the boards and fellow members. I have learned so much over the years (football knowledge) i still do not know a lot about formations etc but the entire Ravens Nation here is awesome. 

 

[Italian Raven]

@JoeyFlex5 , @rossihunter2

I'll give a look at Harris tapes in the next days and we'll probably discuss it in the next board (I've just subscribed to BoldnpurpleandBlack site). What I remember is that his spin was pretty fast and polished unlike the one of Nkemdiche, to cite one. I don't recall him using it unnecessarily but again, I'm likely wrong. Perhaps, in order to dig little deeper, I can make a compilation of spins and take a few screens if necessary. Just for the sake of discussing it of course, not to put the final sentence on who's right.

My intention was, anyway, not to discredit our Williams. I just happened to see him performing it less frequently. If I'm not replying any time soon I'll see you there guys!

Edited Tuesday at 04:03 PM by Italian Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, nextgen_RavensFan said:

Williams looks like he has a motor that will not stop from the video i have seen. Cannot wait to see him on the field.

 

On a side note: Will miss the boards and fellow members. I have learned so much over the years (football knowledge) i still do not know a lot about formations etc but the entire Ravens Nation here is awesome. 

 

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[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Tim Williams spin move against Michigan State on the RT. Ahhhhh, a thing of beauty.

Spins and closes the tackle out with his arm so powerfully he puts him right down on his face. Probably my favorite individual pass rush rep of any prospect in this draft. That play was just awesome.

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Tim Williams spin move against Michigan State on the RT. Ahhhhh, a thing of beauty.

Spins and closes the tackle out with his arm so powerfully he puts him right down on his face. Probably my favorite individual pass rush rep of any prospect in this draft. That play was just awesome.

That was great but my favourite play is here at 13:22

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

34 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That was great but my favourite play is here at 13:22

 

Yea that one is pretty insane too. In slow motion it looks fake. Hes completed his 1st step and onto his 2nd before anyone else even flinches. Crazy anticipation and burst.

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

@JoeyFlex5 , @rossihunter2

I'll give a look at Harris tapes in the next days and we'll probably discuss it in the next board (I've just subscribed to BoldnpurpleandBlack site). What I remember is that his spin was pretty fast and polished unlike the one of Nkemdiche, to cite one. I don't recall him using it unnecessarily but again, I'm likely wrong. Perhaps, in order to dig little deeper, I can make a compilation of spins and take a few screens if necessary. Just for the sake of discussing it of course, not to put the final sentence on who's right.

My intention was, anyway, not to discredit our Williams. I just happened to see him performing it less frequently. If I'm not replying any time soon I'll see you there guys!

oh of course - i wasnt saying i was right either or that you were coming at williams

im also going to admit that with the whole spinning in place nonsense i was talking about earlier i was actually thinking of taco charlton - however i do still see a lack of violence in harris's move that sometimes allows tackles just to hold onto a piece of him if he doesnt get the timing absolutely right - there's a good example of this vs kentucky and he's maybe a bit too trigger happy with the spin move situationally and it makes him a little 1-dimensional and obvious

but hey if you can put the final sentence on who's right im absolutely down to be wrong lol