Welcome to Baltimore, LB Tyus Bowser

[Ravenskid52752]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

ummmmmm, bruh... 11'12"?? You mean, like, 12 feet?

 

Anyways it was 141 inches or 11.75 feet or 11'9"

Lol my bad I meant 11.9 😂😂

[arnie_uk]

23 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

I said except for  Vert and Broad there almost identical  because someone gave him a comp to Jamie Collins 

And the 3 cone. So there was massive differences in 3 of the 5 tests. How's that virtually the same?

[808Blackbirds]

6 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Um did Anybody notice Marlon and Tyus have the same 3 cone drill time 6.75 that is Insane. 

looked like he stumbled on his 3 cone also.

[RavensFanMania]

On 4/28/2017 at 9:06 PM, rmw10 said:

Ya'll already know this is one of my prospect crushes this year, so I'm pumped!  A versatile, athletic piece that should be able to play all over our LB group.  Consider me the president of the fan club!

You can only be president if you are active on the next board

[RavensFanMania]

9 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

For a LB it is but Byron Jones has the overall combine record for broad jump with 12.1 broad Obi came close to 11.9 broad 

Actually Byron Jones broad jump was 12' 2.75 inches and it is a world record.

Edited yesterday at 03:41 AM by RavensFanMania

[Static]

Has the FO said what position he will play?

[ravensnation5220]

31 minutes ago, Static said:

Has the FO said what position he will play?

SAM 

[berad]

He looks rangy and fast. Apparently he's decent in coverage, too? If he can hold up against the run, he sounds like a complete OLB.

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

He looks rangy and fast. Apparently he's decent in coverage, too? If he can hold up against the run, he sounds like a complete OLB.

I've read that he's considered by some to be the top coverage backer in the draft class.

[berad]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I've read that he's considered by some to be the top coverage backer in the draft class.

All the better. I've wanted a guy like that for a long time. It's cool to have pass-rush specialists like Dumervil but a dynamic player who can drop in coverage and not be lost? Yes!

[The Raven]

Just now, berad said:

All the better. I've wanted a guy like that for a long time. It's cool to have pass-rush specialists like Dumervil but a dynamic player who can drop in coverage and not be lost? Yes!

I kinda feel like Bowser is finally our mulligan for what Arthur Brown was supposed to be -- a true coverage backer that plays almost like a safety. Arthur had the moves but not the head for that. He was always lost

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

I kinda feel like Bowser is finally our mulligan for what Arthur Brown was supposed to be -- a true coverage backer that plays almost like a safety. Arthur had the moves but not the head for that. He was always lost

I still find it hard to correlate Arthur Brown at Kansas State to the Arthur Brown that we got, it's like two completely different people.

Anyways I'm just hoping Bowser and Williams can show more as rookies than Correa.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

I still find it hard to correlate Arthur Brown at Kansas State to the Arthur Brown that we got, it's like two completely different people.

Anyways I'm just hoping Bowser and Williams can show more as rookies than Correa.

I think it's either lack of passion for the game or not football smart or both

[JoeyFlex5]

41 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think it's either lack of passion for the game or not football smart or both

He looked like he didn't care when he played at KSt. He had no fire at all. I thought he was just one of those business only types. The fact that he just didn't care about football was really disappointing 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

I've read that he's considered by some to be the top coverage backer in the draft class.

Have you seen his film? He is great in coverage. Watch his Louisville film. He makes the heisman qb pull the ball down and scramble so many times it's insane. He was constantly eliminating the early reads on his zone drops, he cut off throwing lanes to basically anything his side of the field within 10 yards, Jackson was able to thread the needle on ONE pass in his area, but it was a zone-man concept where bowser was picking up the slot receiver and the cb failed to cover his man in the same area, and guess who made the tackle downfield... 

bowser has a lot of work as a pass rusher and run defender, he struggles pretty greatly in those areas, but he shows natural pass rush traits that just need lots of refinement. But he is very special in coverage, he's gonna make a name in this league by getting int's. On this defense, where the qbs are gonna be forced to throw in tight windows in a hurry, they're gonna be throwing in his area often, and he disguises his intentions well, so he's gonna appear where a lot of qbs won't expect him to be on hot reads. 

Hes gonna be fun, but he is likely gonna frustrate us in run D and pass rush early on.

[The Raven]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Have you seen his film? He is great in coverage. Watch his Louisville film. He makes the heisman qb pull the ball down and scramble so many times it's insane. He was constantly eliminating the early reads on his zone drops, he cut off throwing lanes to basically anything his side of the field within 10 yards, Jackson was able to thread the needle on ONE pass in his area, but it was a zone-man concept where bowser was picking up the slot receiver and the cb failed to cover his man in the same area, and guess who made the tackle downfield... 

bowser has a lot of work as a pass rusher and run defender, he struggles pretty greatly in those areas, but he shows natural pass rush traits that just need lots of refinement. But he is very special in coverage, he's gonna make a name in this league by getting int's. On this defense, where the qbs are gonna be forced to throw in tight windows in a hurry, they're gonna be throwing in his area often, and he disguises his intentions well, so he's gonna appear where a lot of qbs won't expect him to be on hot reads. 

Hes gonna be fun, but he is likely gonna frustrate us in run D and pass rush early on.

Oh I've seen it. I just don't consider myself knowledgable enough to opine on a backer's coverage ability. Corners, maybe, but definitely not backers or safeties. I know sort of what to look for in a corner. Not so much with a backer or a safety.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Oh I've seen it. I just don't consider myself knowledgable enough to opine on a backer's coverage ability. Corners, maybe, but definitely not backers or safeties. I know sort of what to look for in a corner. Not so much with a backer or a safety.

oh ok, sounded like you havent seen for yourself lol. i dont expect a whole lot from a LB in man coverage personally, and bowser has limited film so i havent seen much of man from him, but zone drops are where a LB makes his money in coverage. if they are cutting off throwing lanes by stepping in front of targets consistently, then youre seeing good LB coverage, if they break on throws in front of them and are able to eliminate any chance of YAC or jar the ball loose consistently, thats good lb coverage, breaking on screens before the qb even gets the ball out, etc. 

LB coverage is more subtle but its really just about awareness. if they are running around pissing off the qb and making him pull the ball down, then theyre doing good lol

[808Blackbirds]

Where is this "mirrored Dalvin Cook down the field in bowl game" i skimmed through the game and couldnt find it. unless it happened off cam. 

Travis Rudolph and Steven Taylor were making plays that game, both undrafted

[arnie_uk]

6 hours ago, 808Blackbirds said:

Where is this "mirrored Dalvin Cook down the field in bowl game" i skimmed through the game and couldnt find it. unless it happened off cam. 

Travis Rudolph and Steven Taylor were making plays that game, both undrafted

Was it not the senior bowl? 

[Halshayeji]

On May 1, 2017 at 1:40 AM, ellicottraven said:

I watched him against Memphis and came away unimpressed. He can't seem to shed blocks, doesn't get penetration but most disappointingly wasn't playing through the whistle. He was ineffective at least in that game. Unless he's vastly improved since that game, I don't understand why there is so much hype surrounding him. Anybody?

His upside is just insane! His fluid hips are something you can't teach and just by looking at his body, he's a workout warrior. Yes he's not going to average 10 sacks a year but he certainly has the versatility to ultimately become one of the best SAM backers in the NFL. I'm hoping that Suggs adopts him and teaches him everything. He could be Suggs 2.0 with some work on technique and some weight.

[Halshayeji]

19 hours ago, berad said:

He looks rangy and fast. Apparently he's decent in coverage, too? If he can hold up against the run, he sounds like a complete OLB.

He's not complete yet. He's a bit small to consistantly set the edge but all indications are that he would be great at it if he adds some weight. He's not a complete OLB yet but he would have gone too 10 lol

i love this pick because when you look at him as a prospect, he checks all the hard un teachable stuff and lacks the easy things like setting the edge and and perhaps a spin move. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Of the first 4 picks I'd say bowser has the highest bust potential, but I think this is the draft we have wanted for so long, because even though bowser is extremely raw he's also an incredibly gifted football player, his natural awareness sets him apart from others and his motor and athleticism complements the awareness very well. He may never become a good pass rusher, but if you told me bowser wasn't gonna become a very good off the ball linebacker I wouldn't believe it. Meanwhile wormley and williams are almost guarantees to be productive in their respective roles, and Humphrey has bust potential as well but on the right defense he probably will at the very least bring good production to the table with broken up short passes and blown up screens consistently. I think at the very worst, 3 of our first 4 picks pan out to either be starters or huge impact rotational guys. Wormley is probably a day one starter and highly productive, t will could realistically hit 8 sacks as a DPR and the best edge rusher on the team, and one of bowser or Humphrey HAS to pan out, i won't give either of them a 100% chance to be successful but I think both of them still have a very good chance. 

This could be the draft class that turns us around. I've never felt so sure about a draft class being successful

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Of the first 4 picks I'd say bowser has the highest bust potential, but I think this is the draft we have wanted for so long, because even though bowser is extremely raw he's also an incredibly gifted football player, his natural awareness sets him apart from others and his motor and athleticism complements the awareness very well. He may never become a good pass rusher, but if you told me bowser wasn't gonna become a very good off the ball linebacker I wouldn't believe it. Meanwhile wormley and williams are almost guarantees to be productive in their respective roles, and Humphrey has bust potential as well but on the right defense he probably will at the very least bring good production to the table with broken up short passes and blown up screens consistently. I think at the very worst, 3 of our first 4 picks pan out to either be starters or huge impact rotational guys. Wormley is probably a day one starter and highly productive, t will could realistically hit 8 sacks as a DPR and the best edge rusher on the team, and one of bowser or Humphrey HAS to pan out, i won't give either of them a 100% chance to be successful but I think both of them still have a very good chance. 

This could be the draft class that turns us around. I've never felt so sure about a draft class being successful

to be honest i think only 2 of them need to pan out for this draft to have a major longterm impact on our defense but in all likelihood i expect to have at least 3 of these top 4 guys to work out in some fashion

im really excited about the way this team is set up for the future

[PurpleHorseman]

17 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think it's either lack of passion for the game or not football smart or both

I never cared for Arthur Brown. Very good athlete but never displayed toughness for the NFL. He ran around at Kansas looking good cuz of his athleticism. But you are right he wasn't football smart and didn't have much passion. But he never displayed toughness it takes to play in the NFL. A good tackling cornerback could of made 90% of his plays.  There was a reason he was available in mid/late round2. The NFL collective obviously didn't think he was as great as ravens management.  

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

to be honest i think only 2 of them need to pan out for this draft to have a major longterm impact on our defense but in all likelihood i expect to have at least 3 of these top 4 guys to work out in some fashion

im really excited about the way this team is set up for the future

If those 2 are tim Williams and marlon Humphrey then I agree. But say if wormley and bowser are the only 2 that pan out, then we aren't getting much pass rush or a great cover corner.

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If those 2 are tim Williams and marlon Humphrey then I agree. But say if wormley and bowser are the only 2 that pan out, then we aren't getting much pass rush or a great cover corner.

in my head i assume humphrey is one just because he has such a high floor in terms of helping the team even if he doesn't develop and improve on his deep coverage with his back to the play - obviously it's more ideal if they all pan out but i just meant that if only 2 do then we are still set up well for the future (although it might leave us less effective this year than we'd like)

however, i fully expect, barring injury (touchwood), that all 4 will contribute in some way this year and hopefully siragusa develops at least into a usable backup as a rookie

[PurpleHorseman]

46 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Of the first 4 picks I'd say bowser has the highest bust potential, but I think this is the draft we have wanted for so long, because even though bowser is extremely raw he's also an incredibly gifted football player, his natural awareness sets him apart from others and his motor and athleticism complements the awareness very well. He may never become a good pass rusher, but if you told me bowser wasn't gonna become a very good off the ball linebacker I wouldn't believe it. Meanwhile wormley and williams are almost guarantees to be productive in their respective roles, and Humphrey has bust potential as well but on the right defense he probably will at the very least bring good production to the table with broken up short passes and blown up screens consistently. I think at the very worst, 3 of our first 4 picks pan out to either be starters or huge impact rotational guys. Wormley is probably a day one starter and highly productive, t will could realistically hit 8 sacks as a DPR and the best edge rusher on the team, and one of bowser or Humphrey HAS to pan out, i won't give either of them a 100% chance to be successful but I think both of them still have a very good chance. 

This could be the draft class that turns us around. I've never felt so sure about a draft class being successful

I completely agree. Bowser has to show the toughness and physicality to not back down when punched in the face in the NFL. As in fight through blocks and get back up after being blocked by a guard. Humphrey could very well be a bust as a cornerback. But I think he will be very good as a strong safety. Problem is there is no opening at safety with a tandem of some of the best in the league. Once Weddle shows his age he could play SS while Jefferson plays free safety. With Tim Williams Mosley Jefferson Young and Humphrey the defense could be hitting stride again. On its way back to the ravens defense

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I completely agree. Bowser has to show the toughness and physicality to not back down when punched in the face in the NFL. As in fight through blocks and get back up after being blocked by a guard. Humphrey could very well be a bust as a cornerback. But I think he will be very good as a strong safety. Problem is there is no opening at safety with a tandem of some of the best in the league. Once Weddle shows his age he could play SS while Jefferson plays free safety. With Tim Williams Mosley Jefferson Young and Humphrey the defense could be hitting stride again. On its way back to the ravens defense

Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS. He does not have that skill set. Weddle is more than likely gone or at least onto a team friendly deal where he won't be expected to start. 

[GrimCoconut]

57 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS. He does not have that skill set. Weddle is more than likely gone or at least onto a team friendly deal where he won't be expected to start. 

I don't want to go too far off topic here but I'd disagree that "Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS". He definitely can 

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't want to go too far off topic here but I'd disagree that "Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS". He definitely can 

Doesn't he lack the prerequisite speed by quite a bit?