Welcome to Baltimore, LB Tyus Bowser

[KBoum]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Still pumped my guy is actually a Raven. Not a typical Ravens type of guy but I'm glad they've seemingly adjusted and took a player built for today's NFL. I'm still a full believer that he's Jamie Collins 2.0

The comp is really really good. I was very high on him as well. Have you seen his bowl game ? He was shadowing Dalvin Cook in man to man duties step for step ? This guy is so underated. If he wasnt injured he could have topped the 12 sacks and he's underated as a covering LB. He'll be VERY good covering RBs/TEs. This is what this league is all about now. Gotta me able to cover and blitz from everywhere.

[The Raven]

Alright, Tyus Bowser. Just watched him against Cincinnati, Memphis, and some of Louisville. 

Tyus Bowser isn't Von Miller. He's not Kamalei Correa. He isn't Terrell Suggs, and I don't even think he's a full time edge in the NFL.

As @terps85 and @rmw10 said first, I see Jamie Collins. He's freakishly athletic, he can cover with the best of em, he's smart, and he has good instincts. He does not, however, have the size or hand use to be a full time edge player. He will get eaten alive on the edge in the NFL.

In watching film, there weren't enough snaps where he was even rushing for me to judge his pass rushing fairly, but from what I saw, he just looks fast. That is his only value as a pass rusher. Burst off the line and agility around the edge. Makes for a great blitzer but not a good on the line pass rusher.

I know @GrimCoconut says Bowser can disengage, but I personally don't see it. I don't see a guy that uses his hands to disengage from a block and get to the QB. Instead, I see a guy that runs and runs and runs until the lineman loses him.

I see Tyus playing Will next to Mosley, blitzing frequently and acting as the spy against guys like Cam Newton.

I do think this a good pick. It's good value. He brings a lot to the table. I just don't see him playing the edge, and if Ozzie does, I want to know what he knows. But I also like how he fits in with the guys we have. With DBs like Jefferson, Weddle, and Humphrey who can blitz, and a LB who can cover, I see the potential for a crap ton of truly effective zone blitzes. Bowser is good, but he's even better as a piece of the puzzle, because of what he allows you to do.

Edited Saturday at 01:52 PM by The Raven

[GrimCoconut]

@The Raven Ozzie told Bowser he'd play SAM LB on the phone when he called him. 

[The Raven]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

@The Raven Ozzie told Bowser he'd play SAM LB on the phone when he called him. 

When Ozzie says SAM does he mean a 3-4 SAM or a 4-3 SAM?

[horus13]

his actual words were - "you'll come in and play at SAM for us"... thinking we're keeping with the 3-4 as scheme change wasn't mentioned

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, The Raven said:

When Ozzie says SAM does he mean a 3-4 SAM or a 4-3 SAM?

I'm wondering the very same thing actually. That's a great question and it makes you wonder. I have to go back and watch the video but I think he told him he'd have to set the edge and stuff so it sounds like 34 OLB

[horus13]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm wondering the very same thing actually. That's a great question and it makes you wonder. I have to go back and watch the video but I think he told him he'd have to set the edge and stuff so it sounds like 34 OLB

yes, this is how i remember it too... in the lines of this; then harbs said something about suggs teaching the young ones the ropes

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm wondering the very same thing actually. That's a great question and it makes you wonder. I have to go back and watch the video but I think he told him he'd have to set the edge and stuff so it sounds like 34 OLB

Putting him on the edge is a waste of his talent, unless Ozzie has seen stuff that I haven't seen. I haven't seen anything that makes me confident in Bowser as an edge.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Putting him on the edge is a waste of his talent, unless Ozzie has seen stuff that I haven't seen. I haven't seen anything that makes me confident in Bowser as an edge.

I read your report and I get your points but perhaps the teal feels like they can improve on his areas of weakness. On his ability to disengage, I don't recall seeing him get swallowed up and locked onto OL. I watched him disengage and make a TFL when locked on by an OL. I think it's consistency but that can hopefully be developed. 

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[ellicottraven]

On 4/29/2017 at 9:50 AM, The Raven said:

Alright, Tyus Bowser. Just watched him against Cincinnati, Memphis, and some of Louisville. 

Tyus Bowser isn't Von Miller. He's not Kamalei Correa. He isn't Terrell Suggs, and I don't even think he's a full time edge in the NFL.

As @terps85 and @rmw10 said first, I see Jamie Collins. He's freakishly athletic, he can cover with the best of em, he's smart, and he has good instincts. He does not, however, have the size or hand use to be a full time edge player. He will get eaten alive on the edge in the NFL.

In watching film, there weren't enough snaps where he was even rushing for me to judge his pass rushing fairly, but from what I saw, he just looks fast. That is his only value as a pass rusher. Burst off the line and agility around the edge. Makes for a great blitzer but not a good on the line pass rusher.

I know @GrimCoconut says Bowser can disengage, but I personally don't see it. I don't see a guy that uses his hands to disengage from a block and get to the QB. Instead, I see a guy that runs and runs and runs until the lineman loses him.

I see Tyus playing Will next to Mosley, blitzing frequently and acting as the spy against guys like Cam Newton.

I do think this a good pick. It's good value. He brings a lot to the table. I just don't see him playing the edge, and if Ozzie does, I want to know what he knows. But I also like how he fits in with the guys we have. With DBs like Jefferson, Weddle, and Humphrey who can blitz, and a LB who can cover, I see the potential for a crap ton of truly effective zone blitzes. Bowser is good, but he's even better as a piece of the puzzle, because of what he allows you to do.

I watched him against Memphis and came away unimpressed. He can't seem to shed blocks, doesn't get penetration but most disappointingly wasn't playing through the whistle. He was ineffective at least in that game. Unless he's vastly improved since that game, I don't understand why there is so much hype surrounding him. Anybody?

[Underdogsontop!]

On 4/29/2017 at 3:57 AM, GrimCoconut said:

@The Raven Ozzie told Bowser he'd play SAM LB on the phone when he called him. 

Nice! I'm thinking he has a chance to start this year. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think early on he's a match up chess piece. 

He definitely needs work on his pass rush to become an every down edge player, but the traits are there to mold. Can't teach the speed, footwork and agility he has. And he can bend. So I think you work with him to build a repertoire of pass rush moves and he can become an every down player. 

But right away he can cover TEs and RBs when we face teams that highlight those players. 

Couple him with Tim Williams and you've got a complete player day 1. Bring Tim on in obvious passing downs and take Bowser off or kick him inside to cover or blitz. 

Hes a raw but ascending player. Some of what you want from him is a projection but I think his best football is clearly in front of him. He's only focused full time on football for a year or 2 I think... but his basketball background should serve him well. 

Also think he can pack another 5-10 lbs of muscle on without losing burst or movement skills which should help him in setting a hard edge and become better as disengaging from blocks. 

His weaknesses are teachable but his strengths are god given. That's the value in him. He's a ball of clay just waiting to be molded... and there's a great football player in there. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Watched more film, his Louisville game was beautiful despite barely recording a stat. I've never seen a qb break down and extend so many times in one game because a LINEBACKER took away multiple reads. His zone awareness was brilliant. He was crossing the field, showing blitz then dropping, standing deep and surveying before bringing a blitz. He obviously understands the concept of baiting and disguising. He feels defenders moving behind him and very fluidly rolls around with them, he's got extremely light and quick feet.

as an edge rusher, he's gotta learn to finish. He gets reckless and allows himself to get totally eliminated, he either breaks down his technique and lets the blocker latch on last second because he went for the sack before disengaging, or he just trips himself up. You can see him getting the upper hand early and showing some great footwork along with some decent but inconsistent handwork, he shows some competence as a rusher but always fails to finish it seems, he's gotta settle down when he gets to that finishing move at the end of his rush and finish disengaging. 

I don't know if he's a ILB in a 34, I like how he moves in space, he would be amazing at covering between the hash and flats between the LOS and 20 yard mark, yes he is athletic enough to zone drop to disrupt the timing and then stick a receiver 20+ yards downfield. He is like an extra db who will be very disruptive as a pass rusher

[AnthonyGames]

I think Bowser is a much better OLB than Correa. I think Correa will make a good ILB though

[Sami84]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Watched more film, his Louisville game was beautiful despite barely recording a stat. I've never seen a qb break down and extend so many times in one game because a LINEBACKER took away multiple reads. His zone awareness was brilliant. He was crossing the field, showing blitz then dropping, standing deep and surveying before bringing a blitz. He obviously understands the concept of baiting and disguising. He feels defenders moving behind him and very fluidly rolls around with them, he's got extremely light and quick feet.

as an edge rusher, he's gotta learn to finish. He gets reckless and allows himself to get totally eliminated, he either breaks down his technique and lets the blocker latch on last second because he went for the sack before disengaging, or he just trips himself up. You can see him getting the upper hand early and showing some great footwork along with some decent but inconsistent handwork, he shows some competence as a rusher but always fails to finish it seems, he's gotta settle down when he gets to that finishing move at the end of his rush and finish disengaging. 

I don't know if he's a ILB in a 34, I like how he moves in space, he would be amazing at covering between the hash and flats between the LOS and 20 yard mark, yes he is athletic enough to zone drop to disrupt the timing and then stick a receiver 20+ yards downfield. He is like an extra db who will be very disruptive as a pass rusher

 

i know this might sound crazy to some but if he lost 18 pounds and based on his coverage skills and fluidity he could be a lockdown corner lol

[Sami84]

of the main 4 round picks this is the biggest boom to bust of them all. I can see Humphreys, Williams, Wormely and Siragusa being big time players for us this season. 

Bowser is the only one where it wouldnt shock me if he doesn't see the field as much. Zach Cunningham is more pro ready and might have been a better pick IF we wanted a guy that would step right next to CJ mosely with no issues.

 

Bowser needs to be coached into a specific role. 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Sami84 said:

i know this might sound crazy to some but if he lost 18 pounds and based on his coverage skills and fluidity he could be a lockdown corner lol

I thought he could give bambam a run for his money as a SS lol

[Sami84]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I thought he could give bambam a run for his money as a SS lol

sure

in all seriousness while I was excited to get a jack of all trades potential in bowser i cant help but wonder if zach cunningham would have been the safer, plug in and play pick..

 

remember usually only 2-3 MAX tend to be sucesfull in draft classes the rest end up being disappointments. Looking at this class of the main picks, bowser def has the highest boom to bust scenario. Guys like Humphrey, Wormley, T.Williams, Siragusa have high floors IMO.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

sure

in all seriousness while I was excited to get a jack of all trades potential in bowser i cant help but wonder if zach cunningham would have been the safer, plug in and play pick..

 

remember usually only 2-3 MAX tend to be sucesfull in draft classes the rest end up being disappointments. Looking at this class of the main picks, bowser def has the highest boom to bust scenario. Guys like Humphrey, Wormley, T.Williams, Siragusa have high floors IMO.

Zach Cunningham is a horrid tackler though. I didn't notice it until voch Lombardi pointed it out, it's hard to notice a guy leading the nation in tackles being a bad tackler, but he is. I don't want a LB in the afc north who doesn't follow through with tackles. When you need to cover leveon bell for about 15 routes a game twice a year you better not bring that deadweight-and-spin tackling technique. Bowser, for his shortcomings, wraps and scoops like textbook tackling should look

[rmw10]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Watched more film, his Louisville game was beautiful despite barely recording a stat. I've never seen a qb break down and extend so many times in one game because a LINEBACKER took away multiple reads. His zone awareness was brilliant. He was crossing the field, showing blitz then dropping, standing deep and surveying before bringing a blitz. He obviously understands the concept of baiting and disguising. He feels defenders moving behind him and very fluidly rolls around with them, he's got extremely light and quick feet.

as an edge rusher, he's gotta learn to finish. He gets reckless and allows himself to get totally eliminated, he either breaks down his technique and lets the blocker latch on last second because he went for the sack before disengaging, or he just trips himself up. You can see him getting the upper hand early and showing some great footwork along with some decent but inconsistent handwork, he shows some competence as a rusher but always fails to finish it seems, he's gotta settle down when he gets to that finishing move at the end of his rush and finish disengaging. 

I don't know if he's a ILB in a 34, I like how he moves in space, he would be amazing at covering between the hash and flats between the LOS and 20 yard mark, yes he is athletic enough to zone drop to disrupt the timing and then stick a receiver 20+ yards downfield. He is like an extra db who will be very disruptive as a pass rusher

I agree with this.  He's pretty much developed in the coverage aspect of the game.  I don't think he's going to need too much work there to have a role in the NFL from day 1.  His pass rush does need some work though and with Tim Williams in the fold, he can work on that.  We don't have to rely on him to be this sack machine right out of the gate.

As for the last snippet, I think he can play ILB in the 3-4, and I say that because we deploy more of a 4-3 under now.  I'd imagine you'll continue seeing Suggs with his hand in the dirt, which still gives Bowser the opportunity to play in space when in the "base" alignment.  I don't think he's a full time, true 3-4 ILB, but he can be placed there in certain situations.

[Ravenskid52752]

Um did Anybody notice Marlon and Tyus have the same 3 cone drill time 6.75 that is Insane. 

[ravensnation5220]

13 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Um did Anybody notice Marlon and Tyus have the same 3 cone drill time 6.75 that is Insane. 

Ya Tyus is a rediculous athlete

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Um did Anybody notice Marlon and Tyus have the same 3 cone drill time 6.75 that is Insane. 

Tyus might be the smoothest athlete pound for pound in this class

[Ravenskid52752]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tyus might be the smoothest athlete pound for pound in this class

He might be and I saw Jamie Collins combine numbers there almost Identical except for Vertical and Broad jump Tyus has him in cone drill 

Jamie Collins- 41.5 Vertical 11.7 Broad jump 4.64 40 and 7.1 cone bench 19

Tyus Bowser- 37.5 Vertical 10.7 broad jump 4.65 40 and 6.75 cone bench 21

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:47 PM by Ravenskid52752

[Sami84]

29 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

He might be and I saw Jamie Collins combine numbers there almost Identical expect for Vertical and Broad jump Tyus has him in cone drill 

Jamie Collins- 41.5 Vertical 11.7 Broad jump 4.64 40 and 7.1 cone bench 19

Tyus Bowser- 37.5 Vertical 10.7 broad jump 4.65 40 and 6.75 cone bench 21

 

 

 

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11.7 broad jump  ..that has to be a combine record.

Edited Tuesday at 05:15 PM by Sami84

[arnie_uk]

41 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

He might be and I saw Jamie Collins combine numbers there almost Identical expect for Vertical and Broad jump Tyus has him in cone drill 

Jamie Collins- 41.5 Vertical 11.7 Broad jump 4.64 40 and 7.1 cone bench 19

Tyus Bowser- 37.5 Vertical 10.7 broad jump 4.65 40 and 6.75 cone bench 21

 

 

 

That's not almost identical. Jamie Collins blew him of the water in the vert and broad. Those are massive differences.

[Ravenskid52752]

19 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

That's not almost identical. Jamie Collins blew him of the water in the vert and broad. Those are massive differences.

I said except for  Vert and Broad there almost identical  because someone gave him a comp to Jamie Collins 

[Ravenskid52752]

48 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

11.7 broad jump  ..that has to be a combine record.

For a LB it is but Byron Jones has the overall combine record for broad jump with 12.1 broad Obi came close to 11.9 broad 

Edited Tuesday at 06:03 PM by Ravenskid52752

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

For a LB it is but Byron Jones has the overall combine record for broad jump with 12.1 broad Obi came close to 11.12 broad 

ummmmmm, bruh... 11'12"?? You mean, like, 12 feet?

 

Anyways it was 141 inches or 11.75 feet or 11'9"