2017 NFL Draft Day 2 "Game Thread"

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh god id almost forgotten charlie mocking him to us in the 2nd - but the fact that he gave us cam who didnt even go in the 1st round makes me feel a little better about wormley hopefully not being the pick

its just bc we really like both as prospects and its probably the only 2 prospects that they had info from sources saying we liked... so they lazily projected them to us. In reality, it was obvious that we didnt have Cam anywhere near value at 16. And with the talent still available, Wormley wont be in consideration for us at 47.

While I like the Humphrey pick more than most it seems..... i will not be happy at all on the outside chance we take Wormley. Pass rush and OL should match need with BPA with our next picks.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Usually I don't like those lighter pass rushers but I love his pass coverage, and I'm willing to sacrifice some size for that. Think he could help out at ILB as well, so 2 birds with 1 stone in my mind. 

yea its definitely a lazy comp... well not really even a comp, but what you like about Reddick is what you like about Bowser.

Not quite the same player, but some similar traits. The ability to drop in coverage, the skill set to effectively play ILB on early downs if needed, and high upside as a pass rusher. Obviously Reddick is much more accomplished rushing the passer, but Bowser has the traits and explosiveness to really grow there and is probably better in coverage.

[Caliravenlover]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea its definitely a lazy comp... well not really even a comp, but what you like about Reddick is what you like about Bowser.

Not quite the same player, but some similar traits. The ability to drop in coverage, the skill set to effectively play ILB on early downs if needed, and high upside as a pass rusher. Obviously Reddick is much more accomplished rushing the passer, but Bowser has the traits and explosiveness to really grow there and is probably better in coverage.

Completely separate question. Do you think we trade back into the late 2nd round? Also Do you think Sidney Jones will fall to us in the third?

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea its definitely a lazy comp... well not really even a comp, but what you like about Reddick is what you like about Bowser.

Not quite the same player, but some similar traits. The ability to drop in coverage, the skill set to effectively play ILB on early downs if needed, and high upside as a pass rusher. Obviously Reddick is much more accomplished rushing the passer, but Bowser has the traits and explosiveness to really grow there and is probably better in coverage.

Agreed.  If we were as high on Reddick as it seems, we should also be high on Bowser.  They have similar skill sets, but as you said, one is a better pass rusher and one is better in coverage.  You're taking a chance on the development, but he always has a role with his pass coverage skills at the very least.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Agreed.  If we were as high on Reddick as it seems, we should also be high on Bowser.  They have similar skill sets, but as you said, one is a better pass rusher and one is better in coverage.  You're taking a chance on the development, but he always has a role with his pass coverage skills at the very least.

You think it's Reddick we wanted? It could've easily been Barnett

[hn68wb4]

There's lots of great options left, I expect us to be in the market for a trade up. 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

You think it's Reddick we wanted? It could've easily been Barnett

I do.  Tons of our analysts alluded to that possibility last night.

[rossihunter2]

Just now, rmw10 said:

I do.  Tons of our analysts alluded to that possibility last night.

to be fair, the analysts literally had no idea what our board looked like which was evident given their surprise about humphrey

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

to be fair, the analysts literally had no idea what our board looked like which was evident given their surprise about humphrey

Oh for sure.  We'll never really know.  I think Reddick makes the most sense though, as it was said earlier this week that the Ravens like Barnett, but don't love him. It could all be a smokescreen though.  You never really know.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Oh for sure.  We'll never really know.  I think Reddick makes the most sense though, as it was said earlier this week that the Ravens like Barnett, but don't love him. It could all be a smokescreen though.  You never really know.

it could even have been for hooker... i think maybe his fall surprised them and they thought maybe they could get a db with rare centre-fielding talent on the team

[polynesian15]

56 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

The owner interfering is the LAST thing we need. No one drafts linemen better than Ozzie, if there is pass rusher worth the pick Ozzie will take him, if not we'll look elsewhere.

Sorta like last year's pot of pash rusher: Correa and Kaufusi? Correa was a crazy reach imo.
We desperately need some speed outside. One of Williams/Lawson/Bowser/Willis should be available at 47 and we need to pull the triggah.

[Adreme]

12 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

Sorta like last year's pot of pash rusher: Correa and Kaufusi? Correa was a crazy reach imo.
We desperately need some speed outside. One of Williams/Lawson/Bowser/Willis should be available at 47 and we need to pull the triggah.

You mean the guy we knew would need a year and the guy who happened to get an injury that ended his season.  I mean I get that since Ozzie hit on pretty much every other pick you have to find something to complain about but still that's a massive reach. 

[polynesian15]

13 minutes ago, Adreme said:

You mean the guy we knew would need a year and the guy who happened to get an injury that ended his season.  I mean I get that since Ozzie hit on pretty much every other pick you have to find something to complain about but still that's a massive reach. 

Cheers mate, I know Kaufusi got injured. Shouldn't have mentioned him, that's hypocritical since I've had Perriman's back through his injury.
However, Correa is legit imo. We needed pass rush last year as well, and we draft a project in the second - his production taken into account he should have been acquired 1-2 rounds later. Also, most rumors seem to project him at ILB these days.

Btw, I'm not an Ozzie hater at all. Actually really like our FO, but sometimes I just wish they would address need over BPA - just once in a while at anemic positions. We really have no speed off the edge, no one jumps into the backfield.

Edited April 28 by polynesian15

[arnie_uk]

Just now, polynesian15 said:

Cheers mate, I know Kaufusi got injured. Shouldn't have mentioned him, that's hypocritical since I've had Perriman's back through his injury.
But Correa however is legit imo. We needed pass rush last year as well, and we draft a project in the second - his production taken into account he should have been acquired 1-2 rounds later. Also, most rumors seem to project him at ILB.

Btw, I'm not an Ozzie hater at all. Actually really like our FO, but sometimes I just wish they would address need over BPA - just once in a while at anemic positions. We really have no speed off the edge, no one jumps into the backfield.

You shouldn't be drafting guys in the second that need a year. Unless it's a an that's sitting you need an impact from rounds 1 and 2. I'd even stretch it to 3

[Adreme]

3 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

Cheers mate, I know Kaufusi got injured. Shouldn't have mentioned him, that's hypocritical since I've had Perriman's back through his injury.
But Correa however is legit imo. We needed pass rush last year as well, and we draft a project in the second - his production taken into account he should have been acquired 1-2 rounds later. Also, most rumors seem to project him at ILB.

Btw, I'm not an Ozzie hater at all. Actually really like our FO, but sometimes I just wish they would address need over BPA - just once in a while at anemic positions. We really have no speed off the edge, no one jumps into the backfield.

The trade downs the Ravens did got them a 5th round pick who matched the production.  Basically the Ravens have great players for years at 9 of the 11 starting positions on defense, would I like it be 11? Of course but I can't complain about where the defense is right now.

[balfan23]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yes. Tim Williams and Carl Lawson are 1st round talents imo. Top 20 talents even. But Tim Williams is falling bc of off the field issues and limited sample size. But Ozzie will be able to get the real scoop on him and if he feels comfortable with him itd be a great pick at 47.

Lawson has fallen bc of injuries. But his senior year he finally stayed healthy and showed what he can do. Both are the type of super athletic, twitchy speed rushers weve needed for a while now... and have proven the ability to be very productive in college footballs toughest conference.

Tyus Bowser and Jordan Willis i put at a tier slightly below them but are appropriate values for where we're picking imo. Both are much more raw but had elite testing numbers. Both are probably more of a projection of what you can do with their insane athletic talents, and carry some risk bc of the level of competition they played. But their upside is that of many of the 1st round pass rushers.

Derek Rivers i put behind that even and may be a 3rd round consideration if available. Also Myles Garret's team mate at A&M is apparent high on a lot of boards and alot think his traits project well to an all around 3 down edge player. Very good against the run with the traits to develop into a quality edge rusher.

 

OL i think we'll have options in round 3, though if Cam Robinson or Lamp is there, and our top edge rushers available go before us -- itd be tough to pass either one up.

Dion Dawkins, Dorian Johnson, Dan Feeney and Pat Elflein are guys that under other circumstances (not needing a pass rusher with quality ones on the board) id have no problem taking in the 2nd round and 1 or 2 may be available come round 3. Any of them could be a plug and play starter on the line at LG or C. Feeney and Elflein could prob do well at either LG or C. Johnson is prob only a LG but hes an absolute mauler with a heavy base and serious anchor. Dawkins may be able to kick out to RT but hes a mean boy with serious strength and nastiness. Id love any of them, though love Tim Williams and Carl Lawson especially a bit more.

 

We're in very good position being a team that doesnt need to panic about getting a CB now. We can sit tight and reap the benefits.

Thanks for that!

I'm really of the mind that, if we don't come away with an edge rusher at #47, we're going to have to live with what we have. For all the reassurances by the organization to say that we've got edge rushers on the roster, they just need to develop - I think that is wishful thinking. We need to get A LOT better at getting after the QB than we been have in the last couple years. 

I also pray we can get starter-ready O line help immediately in the 3rd. As for WR - we need help, but I'm afraid we can't have our cake and eat it too. I don't see us filling all needs in this draft - at least not for the coming year. To expect more than 3 starters (and I mean quality starters) is asking for a lot. 

[Deflated Football]

I'd grab Dalvin Cook if he's there. He could be our next Ray Rice. Then maybe trade to get another second and pick up Zay or JuJu. Or trade for Jordan Matthews/pick up Anquan after the draft. Just thinking out loud. I am worried about our pass rush though. 

[bravensfan52]

5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I'd grab Dalvin Cook if he's there. He could be our next Ray Rice. Then maybe trade to get another second and pick up Zay or JuJu. Or trade for Jordan Matthews/pick up Anquan after the draft. Just thinking out loud. I am worried about our pass rush though. 

I have a good feeling we have king Dunlap on speed dial. We're looking for a center.

 

 

Or DJ fluker and kick Marshall to RT

Edited April 28 by bravensfan52

[balfan23]

8 minutes ago, bravensfan52 said:

I have a good feeling we have king Dunlap on speed dial. We're looking for a center.

 

 

Or DJ fluker and kick Marshall to RT

Giants already grabbed Fluker. Basically, anyone who could be considered a serviceable starter at any position on the o line should be on our speed dial and depending on what we come away with in days 2 and 3, we need to start calling the second we've finished filling out our undrafted group. 

[balfan23]

12 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I'd grab Dalvin Cook if he's there. He could be our next Ray Rice. Then maybe trade to get another second and pick up Zay or JuJu. Or trade for Jordan Matthews/pick up Anquan after the draft. Just thinking out loud. I am worried about our pass rush though. 

I am too - which is why I'm really hoping the right guy is still there and we address that with #47 

[Ravens4Real]

54 minutes ago, Adreme said:

The trade downs the Ravens did got them a 5th round pick who matched the production.  Basically the Ravens have great players for years at 9 of the 11 starting positions on defense, would I like it be 11? Of course but I can't complain about where the defense is right now.

Great players at 9 of the 11 positions? That is an extremely rosey evaluation of our current defensive starters.

Edited April 28 by Ravens4Real

[Cillmatic]

Pete Carroll's tweet pretty much confirms that they're taking JuJu.

[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, polynesian15 said:

Sorta like last year's pot of pash rusher: Correa and Kaufusi? Correa was a crazy reach imo.
We desperately need some speed outside. One of Williams/Lawson/Bowser/Willis should be available at 47 and we need to pull the triggah.

 

 

So you're advocating owners having a hand in drafting because Ozzie messed up on two picks?

Edited April 28 by Cillmatic

[Jonah DeVito]

5 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

Favourite 2nd round picks, in order:

#47: Lawson, Williams, Lamp, Wilson, K.King 

I don't think WR is a good value here. I don't see JuJu in the same category of the aforementioned guys and it might be a tad early for Zay and Kupp. Although, I wouldn't mind a great route runner and catcher like the latter one.

I think Zay and Juju at least will be off the board pretty early today. 

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Pete Carroll's tweet pretty much confirms that they're taking JuJu.

I don't understand why they'd take him over a corner, but you do you, Seahawks.

[hen826957]

Boost the o-line. Draft Forrest Lamp (Not Cam Robinson) with our second and Pat Eflien in the third and if Sidney Jones is there in the 3rd, use the early 3rd draft pick on Sidney and late third on Eflien. Strength the o-line so we could give Joe some time. O-line, D-line, and the Secondary will be a strengths to this team. 

Edited April 28 by hen826957

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Pete Carroll's tweet pretty much confirms that they're taking JuJu.

what was the tweet?

[Jonah DeVito]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

I'd grab Dalvin Cook if he's there. He could be our next Ray Rice. Then maybe trade to get another second and pick up Zay or JuJu. Or trade for Jordan Matthews/pick up Anquan after the draft. Just thinking out loud. I am worried about our pass rush though. 

I don't want anything to do with Jordan Matthews honestly. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

what was the tweet?

Draft clue: links a Voice audition using the song, "Somebody That I used to Know."

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Draft clue: links a Voice audition using the song, "Somebody That I used to Know."

that's pretty cool