2017 NFL Draft Day 2 "Game Thread"

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Hopefully a pass rusher in the second- Lawson, Williams, Willis, Bowser etc. Then wide receiver and o-line in the third.

Same here but it'll be hard to pass on Lamp if he's there. As much as I want one of Williams, Rivers or Bowser I may go Lamp before them. Very tough choice there especially with OL being relatively weak after the top guys

[Cillmatic]

I honestly think I'll be fine with whoever we pick as long as I know their names. No more of this no name Correa crap please. WR, OLB or O-line would be great.

[RavensFanMania]

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Why? You won't find a better corner in FA. OL can be found in FA. I am excited about the pick. This gives the Ravens two tall corners on the outside to keep Young on the inside where he fits best, and then have a solid 4th corner in Carr.

Carr is the starter st this point with Humphrey as the 4th.

[Ravenskid52752]

24 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Hopefully a pass rusher in the second- Lawson, Williams, Willis, Bowser etc. Then wide receiver and o-line in the third.

Yup that's kinda where there probably gonna go 

[ALI624]

26 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Same here but it'll be hard to pass on Lamp if he's there. As much as I want one of Williams, Rivers or Bowser I may go Lamp before them. Very tough choice there especially with OL being relatively weak after the top guys

True just don't think he gets to us and where would he play? Center? Because I really believe they don't want to move Lewis to RT.

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

True just don't think he gets to us and where would he play? Center? Because I really believe they don't want to move Lewis to RT.

Honestly I'd kick Yanda to RT and put Lamp at RG and draft Elfein for center and leave Lewis if that's the plan

[ALI624]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Honestly I'd kick Yanda to RT and put Lamp at RG and draft Elfein for center and leave Lewis if that's the plan

Definitely an interesting take.

[trevorsteadman]

12 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Carr is the starter st this point with Humphrey as the 4th.

But you have to look long term. Carr is older and you are getting a solid cb at best. Humphrey has the ceiling to become Jimmy Smith (Actually his NFL comparison). 4.4 speed and he is the best run defending cornerback in this draft as well as one of the best if not the best zone corner in this draft. He definitely needs to work on his man to man and footwork but he has all the tools to become a #1 cornerback in this league. And you pair him on the outside with Jimmy Smith who is top 5 if not top 3 when healthy, that is a dangerous combination. 

He will likely not be an instant starter like a lot of people want, but long term it was a good move. The Ravens now probably have the best secondary in the league and one of the deepest secondaries in the league. 

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

But you have to look long term. Carr is older and you are getting a solid cb at best. Humphrey has the ceiling to become Jimmy Smith (Actually his NFL comparison). 4.4 speed and he is the best run defending cornerback in this draft as well as one of the best if not the best zone corner in this draft. He definitely needs to work on his man to man and footwork but he has all the tools to become a #1 cornerback in this league. And you pair him on the outside with Jimmy Smith who is top 5 if not top 3 when healthy, that is a dangerous combination. 

He will likely not be an instant starter like a lot of people want, but long term it was a good move. The Ravens now probably have the best secondary in the league and one of the deepest secondaries in the league. 

I agree and once Jones went down, Humphrey was my 2nd favorite cb, right after lattimore.  

[trevorsteadman]

3 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I agree and once Jones went down, Humphrey was my 2nd favorite cb, right after lattimore.  

Not a flashy pick, but a smart pick for sure. 

[Ravens4Real]

I still liked White and Conley a bit more than Humphrey. I had Humphrey on the same level as King and a couple others. Thought he was a late 1st early 2nd type guy. 

The disappointment of the pick comes from who else was on the board when we picked. Can't believe we couldn't trade back at all with what was there still. 

Even without the tradeback, I would have taken Foster, Allen and Howard over Humphrey. Howard would have been my choice. He's going to be one of the best TE's in the league. Could have given Flacco a great underneath guy and we all know how he loves those.

I just don't understand attacking an area on the team that is a perceived strength when there are so many other holes. I guess we are looking to win games 14-13 this year. I don't think the philosophy will work. Our offense is just in shambles.

[balfan23]

Based on our comments about failing to trade up, we clearly coveted either Reddick or Barnett. I wanted to see us nail an edge rusher in round 1 rather than a CB, since by all accounts, CB is strong in this draft and there are guys still on the board that many find comparable to Humphrey. Edge rusher seems it will be a lot more challenging a slot to fill.

So guys, who are the potential round 2 edge rushers that we may be able to land in round 2? If we go that route, can we nail a potential starter on the O line in round 3? I'm of the mind that if we go O line in round 2, we will not be getting an effective edge rusher in this draft. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Idk. Me being upset has nothing to do really with Humphrey personally, I think he will be a good player. I guess its stemming from:

1. Getting so freaking close to Barnett and Hooker.

2. I really never took in the possibility that we would take a CB in the 1st, nor did I want to, as the class is so deep and there were bigger needs.

3. I have been against drafting a TE the whole time, but I wouldn't have passed on OJ for Humphrey. He would be just as valuable as having Mike Williams on the team. I might've even taken Lamp over Humphrey, but I can see why we didn't I guess.

Other than that, the board didn't fall as favorably as I thought it would, especially after the first few picks. And I'm assuming there were no potential trade backs we liked so we were kind of in a sucky spot - right in the middle where there is no great value picks. Ill get over it soon enough, and I hope Humphrey lights it up and we have the best secondary in the NFL. But for now I'm pissed at the Eagles.

 

On your 2nd point -- i held the same opinion for much of the pre-draft period.

But thinking about it now, if theres a run on CB's here early round 2 through the 3rd, the CB's that can actually be game changers are going to fly off the board. I mean it's getting close to slim picking as it is. And we got one of, if not the best one.

So, now in the meat of this draft while there's still TONS of talent available we're are in prime position. Everyone is going to start freaking out and over drafting CB's or trading up to get one. That means very talented players are going to fall even further where we can comfortably snag them by sitting put or even trading back.

With Barnett, Reddick and both WR's off the board it was tough. You can say Howard and i like him a lot, but clearly the league isnt quite as high on him as the outside world was. Its obvious Allens medicals are a serious concern and Foster's red flags are alarming. 

SO we could have taken maybe a higher upside player at 16 but that would have big bust factor.... still been able to maybe grab pass rush, OL or WR in the 2nd/3rd -- but we'd have been picking from bones and scraps at CB. 

We got a safe CB who has lock down potential... you know instead of hoping Tabor, Kazee, Howard Wilson, Corn Elder and guys like that (i seriously doubt King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, Wilson, Moreau, etc... are going to last very long now and if we didnt go CB round 1 i definitely wouldnt have wanted to grab 1 in round 2 with the talent thatll be there). 

It's looking like theres going to be a pass rusher or OL that all of us would be ecstatic with and maybe been ok with round 1 (Tim Williams, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp) and serious talent still around in Rd 3.

 

 

This was a pick that i think when the draft is over, and we see who we were able to get in Rounds 2 and 3.... and how no CB's made it to our 3rd round picks, we're going to be very happy with the haul and the strategy is going to look brilliant.

[Edgar]

Dalvin Cook helps Joe day one.

[Cillmatic]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Dalvin Cook helps Joe day one.

Right after he's done chaining his dogs.

Edited April 28 by Cillmatic

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Based on our comments about failing to trade up, we clearly coveted either Reddick or Barnett. I wanted to see us nail an edge rusher in round 1 rather than a CB, since by all accounts, CB is strong in this draft and there are guys still on the board that many find comparable to Humphrey. Edge rusher seems it will be a lot more challenging a slot to fill.

So guys, who are the potential round 2 edge rushers that we may be able to land in round 2? If we go that route, can we nail a potential starter on the O line in round 3? I'm of the mind that if we go O line in round 2, we will not be getting an effective edge rusher in this draft. 

Yes. Tim Williams and Carl Lawson are 1st round talents imo. Top 20 talents even. But Tim Williams is falling bc of off the field issues and limited sample size. But Ozzie will be able to get the real scoop on him and if he feels comfortable with him itd be a great pick at 47.

Lawson has fallen bc of injuries. But his senior year he finally stayed healthy and showed what he can do. Both are the type of super athletic, twitchy speed rushers weve needed for a while now... and have proven the ability to be very productive in college footballs toughest conference.

Tyus Bowser and Jordan Willis i put at a tier slightly below them but are appropriate values for where we're picking imo. Both are much more raw but had elite testing numbers. Both are probably more of a projection of what you can do with their insane athletic talents, and carry some risk bc of the level of competition they played. But their upside is that of many of the 1st round pass rushers.

Derek Rivers i put behind that even and may be a 3rd round consideration if available. Also Myles Garret's team mate at A&M is apparent high on a lot of boards and alot think his traits project well to an all around 3 down edge player. Very good against the run with the traits to develop into a quality edge rusher.

 

OL i think we'll have options in round 3, though if Cam Robinson or Lamp is there, and our top edge rushers available go before us -- itd be tough to pass either one up.

Dion Dawkins, Dorian Johnson, Dan Feeney and Pat Elflein are guys that under other circumstances (not needing a pass rusher with quality ones on the board) id have no problem taking in the 2nd round and 1 or 2 may be available come round 3. Any of them could be a plug and play starter on the line at LG or C. Feeney and Elflein could prob do well at either LG or C. Johnson is prob only a LG but hes an absolute mauler with a heavy base and serious anchor. Dawkins may be able to kick out to RT but hes a mean boy with serious strength and nastiness. Id love any of them, though love Tim Williams and Carl Lawson especially a bit more.

 

We're in very good position being a team that doesnt need to panic about getting a CB now. We can sit tight and reap the benefits.

[Cillmatic]

Chances are both Mixon AND Cook are off the Ravens' board. Cook's fumble issues, durability, arrests and animal abuse charge makes him undraftable for a team who drafts like us.

[Italian Raven]

Favourite 2nd round picks, in order:

#47: Lawson, Williams, Lamp, Wilson, K.King 

I don't think WR is a good value here. I don't see JuJu in the same category of the aforementioned guys and it might be a tad early for Zay and Kupp. Although, I wouldn't mind a great route runner and catcher like the latter one.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

58 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Honestly I'd kick Yanda to RT and put Lamp at RG and draft Elfein for center and leave Lewis if that's the plan

I've been thinking about if they'd want to move Lamp to center like the Bears did with Whitehair last year. Which is a move that makes a lot of sense imo. I do think Lamp should play somewhere along the interior, even though he could hack it at tackle if we became desperate similar to a JC Tretter(who quietly has been a very good olinemen and has had to play LT). If we take Lamp I could honestly see us taking Nico siragusa or something later and us putting Lamp at C.

 

As good as Yanda has played at RT in the past, I'd hope we would continue to play him at the position he's probably going into the hall of fame for lol. 

[liljj500]

I would love to see us snag JuJu Smith-Schuster today. I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense. Call me selfish but I wanna see Dalvin Cook in Black & Purple. I'm not too fond of our running backs (west, dixon). Woodhead is good but he's a situational player. Cook has that explosive big play ability we need!

[Cillmatic]

Zay Jones in the second round would be SWEET.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Zay Jones in the second round would be SWEET.

Such a good player and underrated. Ravens need a route runner in the middle. He would be that guy to pick up those first downs.

[reed20]

8 minutes ago, liljj500 said:

I would love to see us snag JuJu Smith-Schuster today. I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense. Call me selfish but I wanna see Dalvin Cook in Black & Purple. I'm not too fond of our running backs (west, dixon). Woodhead is good but he's a situational player. Cook has that explosive big play ability we need!

Agreed. I would be fine with giving him a chance as his talent level being in the second round would be a huge steal.

[PurpleCity5]

The chances of us passing on Lamp if he's there is very minimal. I don't think we'll pass on him. 

[polynesian15]

11 minutes ago, liljj500 said:

I would love to see us snag JuJu Smith-Schuster today. I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense. Call me selfish but I wanna see Dalvin Cook in Black & Purple. I'm not too fond of our running backs (west, dixon). Woodhead is good but he's a situational player. Cook has that explosive big play ability we need!

 

6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Such a good player and underrated (Zay Jones). Ravens need a route runner in the middle. He would be that guy to pick up those first downs.

Is he a better/more savvy route runner than Smith Sr. was last year (you could also add Pitta here)? Will he improve pass protection allowing Flacco to make the pass? Will he boost the run game further increasing Flacco's chances of thriving in the pocket?

I believe the answer to all those questions is a resounding no. We need OL and edge rush WAY before WR. Belie' dat.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm pounding my fist on the table for Cooper Kupp... and Jake Butt of course, but I doubt we draft the latter.

 

Not because SSR pointed him out. Kupp has been one of my boys since the beginning of the year. He plays tough like a Raven, is deceptively good after the catch, and has good hands, and is a good route runner.

 

As worried as I am about our line. If Kupp is there at 47, I'll jump for joy

[PuRock]

15 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Zay Jones in the second round would be SWEET.

Even though there are a lot of players I like more than Zay Jones.  We need some more players on that side of the ball, especially at the skilled positions.  I'd be all for Jones. 

I'd be down with Forrest Lamp, Willis, Rivers, Cunningham, McDowell, Raekwon.  JuJu Smith-Schuster.  Wormley. Even the other Bama guys in the 2nd Cam Robinson, the headcase Tim Williams, or Ryan Anderson.  There are a lot of great DBs on the board but I guess we'll pass. 

I love the 2nd and 3rd rounds. 

[The Raven]

Hoping for a pass rusher and two olinemen in the next three. I'm really hoping for that guy Pat Elflein. Don't think we could pull him and Lamp, but that'd be my pipe dream.

[trevorsteadman]

13 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

 

Is he a better/more savvy route runner than Smith Sr. was last year (you could also add Pitta here)? Will he improve pass protection allowing Flacco to make the pass? Will he boost the run game further increasing Flacco's chances of thriving in the pocket?

I believe the answer to all those questions is a resounding no. We need OL and edge rush WAY before WR. Belie' dat.

No need to be so hostile bro. He is a good blocker and a fantastic route runner. 

OL is easier to address in free agency. You can get solid veterans for cheap. WR you won't find a decent one in FA. 

This team has several needs. You can't deny this team needs a wide receiver. 

[PuRock]

3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm pounding my fist on the table for Cooper Kupp... and Jake Butt of course, but I doubt we draft the latter.

 

Not because SSR pointed him out. Kupp has been one of my boys since the beginning of the year. He plays tough like a Raven, is deceptively good after the catch, and has good hands, and is a good route runner.

 

As worried as I am about our line. If Kupp is there at 47, I'll jump for joy

2nd and 3rd rounds has a lot of good hands WRs that don't rely on speed.  This is exactly what the Ravens need.  Kupp, JuJu, Zay Jones would all be good compliments to the speed we have on the roster.  We need some stellar hands and route running out there.