[News] Round 1 (No. 16): Ravens Select CB Marlon Humphrey

[Malik45168]

Here are some late round draft picks that turned out great guys we have 5 more rounds calm down

Richard sherman

Antonio brown 

Brandon marshall

Robert mathis

Elvis dumervil

Marques colston

David johnson

And lets not forget zachary orr who went undrafted

 

[GENE2407]

  37 minutes ago, vjecmenic said:

Point is that Ozzie excelled in picking GOOD guys in later rounds, Issue is that his picks in first 2 rounds in previous years were made by "playing it safe". And those safe picks were, mostly, a miss.
What is perplexing for me here is that Alabama players, in last few years, didn't show almost anything in pro's (Mosely is an exemption) and still he chooses M. Humphrey...
Ravens needs to find someone that will be a face of franchise (like R. Lewis, E. Reed). I would like to hear what players do come to mind to casual NFL fan when they mention Ravens. Right now this is a group of good players without a leader. Please, try to differentiate between guys leading by example and a leader.

Those "safe" picks were complete whiffs. It's set us back, there's no getting around it. It's all started at Elam and things haven't gotten any better in years

Actually it started with Ray Rice and Perriman. Now we can no longer draft any talented player ever again who isn't a holy roller. And the Perriman thing ruined us from ever taking another player with any kind of ding or potential injury. I always look at the upside ceiling and think, if you could snag an all-pro with that pick, it's still worth the risk.....rather than "settling" for a guy who's nice and less chance of missing games.

[Biszowski]

Humphrey can still turn out to be a solid player, maybe even a star. There is a reason why he was rated as top 3 CB in the draft and projected to go as high as 11th pick and other CBs regarded as "better" by some on this board weren't. My guess is that his issues can be easily fixed by coaches on NFL level. With Ozzie's Alabama connections, he might know something that made Humphrey higher rated on Ravens board than Howard, Foster or Allen.

[GENE2407]

  1 hour ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Way to go Ozzie, I live in CA and I can hear the Steelers laughing from here

That's funny I live in Cleveland Ohio rite next door and the Ravens are the only team the squeelers respect! They have more respect for Ozzie and Co. than some of these so called Ravens fans! Like I said before if the Ravens make a run for the Super Bowl they gotta face the squeelers or pats and they both carve up secondaries so why not beef up the secondary like Ozzie and Co.are doing and did! "This is chess it ain't checkers" so sit back and let them do their jobs!

Have you watched any tape on him, and I'm not referring to the highlight good stuff. Every analyst and fan can see that he gets beat deep. The stats even back it up. Big games, everything. Even on the best D in college, with an absurd front 7. Please tell me how a College starter that gave up 18 yards a catch as a starter, on that D, in college I repeat, is going to help vs Ben and Brady? Especially if he plays this year? He would've been an interesting option at 47 maybe. We've been playing checkers in the draft for a while. There's a reason we've been falling off, for a while now

You'll be surprised at how good NFL coaching can change a player for the better. I never saw a lick of him playing, but it looks like he has all the physical tools (speed, height), so here's the big factor.....can you tell me if he can make plays on the ball in the air?

[sizzlingdoom]

I applaud that the Ravens finally wised up and took a CB high in the draft. I see a lot negative posts about the guy here and don't know a thing about him yet. I will say we have to wait until his first game (not mini-camp or training camp where Harbaugh will gush about his practice being the next Deion Sanders). You will know almost immediately in those first couple games if he can really cover or not. Watch him on another team's #1 WR and we'll know what we have then.

I'm clearly one of the negative ones about the pick. I've done a ton of studying, here's my opinion.
We like him because, and he is fast and physical. He has good measurables, and looked good at the underwear olympics. And he went to Bama...yahoo?
I'm bummed because, not only did we leave all pros on the board for this guy, but this corner class is insane. IMO, and a lot of others, there will be better corners coming off the board well more than a full round later.
All that, but MORE importantly his play
He doesn't have very good instincts or ball skills, which is a big bummer if you're a corner, especially the number 16 pick, in this class, esp playing at Bama and on that D as long as he did.
But more importantly he gets torched down the field. He panics and doesn't play the ball or wr well when the ball is in the air. And this is the way I feel about that, and a lot of analyst agree. That's kind of an either you have it or you don't sort of thing. Goes along with instincts, it's not really something you can teach.
I sincerely hope he can fix it, and I'm wrong about the pick overall, but that is a bad trait to take up against Brady and Ben. I also think corners like Awuzie, Tabor, King, Wilson, and others will easily be better than him. And they're still on the board. We could've gone for Sidney, cuz we're all set this year with 3 starters.
Nothing to do about it now. We are all hoping I'm wrong.
Friday is HUGE.
And yeah, listening to Harbaugh talk about our players and team is Really old at this point. He just says what everyone wants to hear to say the least. I'm hoping to wait til January to hear him talk this Season

[bioLarzen]

Well - if there are 4 Bama-players worthy of a #16 pick, I think we can safely assume Ozzie has all the information humanely possible to acquire on all four of them, so if there was someone who could make a genuinely informed decision on which of the four to pick, it was Ozzie.

So, if he chose Humphrey, then I guess it was the best pick of the four.

Now onto Day #2.

[bioLarzen]

  8 hours ago, The Negotiator said:

How you pass on Allen top 3 pick and take a corner wow was a boarder first rounder. It is confirmed we have the worst receiving core in football.

If Allen was a top 3 pick, why was he available at 16?  

His shoulders are considered a risk factor. Some doctors say they are fine and should hold up well enough, others concluded they are true causes for concern. I'm quite positive this was the reason he slid and even Ozzie passed on him.

I'm neither a GM nor a scout - but if Ozzie passes on an Alabama player at #16 analysts agree is a top-10 - maybe even top 6-8 - guy talent- and productionwise, I'd think twice before submitting the slip with his name... I'd surely say to myself "Hey, guys, Ozzie might know something we don't..."

We'll see.

[bioLarzen]

Here are some late round draft picks that turned out great guys we have 5 more rounds calm down

Richard sherman

Antonio brown 

Brandon marshall

Robert mathis

Elvis dumervil

Marques colston

David johnson

And lets not forget zachary orr who went undrafted

 

Haha, the draft days is one of those periods (together with the first 2 weeks of free agency and the final roster cuts period) when Ozzie suddenly forgets how to evaluate talent and make a decent personnel decision - at least in the eyes of half of the Ravens Nation ;)

[The Greek]

if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2

[mc_red23]

 

2 minutes ago, The Greek said:

if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2

And if and when we struggle to pass the rusher from the inside I'm sure you'll wish we drafted Allen. 

Anybody can say stuff like that.

[sizzlingdoom]

if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2

You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time

[Tru11]

37 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

3 Safeties won't be on the field that often.
And wait a second, you're telling me we'll need to roll coverage every time because the 16 overall pick can't hang by himself? Jimmy did not have problems playing the ball or covering down the field coming out. And he certainly didn't have one of the best college front 7s ever playing in front if him.
We'll see. I hope I'm wrong

no but odds are 2 safeties will be on the field on pretty much every play.

well if you have a shut down corner on the other side then you have the luxury to do just that.
not to mention the are very few rookies that became shutdown corners from day 1,  if there are any.
expecting that from a guy just because he got drafted in round 1 is stupid.

also did you just start watching the ravens after the SB orso?

jimmy in his rookie season got burned quite a lot deep and it als happend a lot in his 2nd season.
he pretty much fell for any double move and could not recover.
he became a quality corner who did not need much help in year 3.

Corner is 1 of the hardest positions to adapt to coming to the NFL period.

 

 

[regz1997]

The biggest beef that I have with this pick is not necessarily the guy we selected, but how it's possible he may not step in and start immediately. With Smith, Carr, and Young in the slot, we would be set for one year, then could move on to a better corner than Carr at the CB2 slot. That's when it looks like Humphrey will make his biggest impact. Humphrey is not ready to start year one, and looks like he will need a redshirt year to really make a difference.

Yet, by that reasoning, we could've selected Allen, Foster, Howard, or hell even Robinson, then selected Washington's Sidney Jones in the second. Jones is a better corner than Humphrey in my mind who will need a redshirt year too. That pairing of an elite player with Jones seems like the smartest thing we could've done. 

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time

weddle over the top as the centre fielder.

problem solved.

 

 

[robbie29]

Point is that Ozzie excelled in picking GOOD guys in later rounds, Issue is that his picks in first 2 rounds in previous years were made by "playing it safe". And those safe picks were, mostly, a miss.
What is perplexing for me here is that Alabama players, in last few years, didn't show almost anything in pro's (Mosely is an exemption) and still he chooses M. Humphrey...
Ravens needs to find someone that will be a face of franchise (like R. Lewis, E. Reed). I would like to hear what players do come to mind to casual NFL fan when they mention Ravens. Right now this is a group of good players without a leader. Please, try to differentiate between guys leading by example and a leader.

"...Alabama players, in last few years, didn't show almost anything in pro's (Mosely is an exemption) and still he chooses M. Humphrey..."

2015: Landon Collins (All Pro Safety)
2014: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (Pro Bowl Safety)

It's inaccurate to say Alabama players haven't shown anything in the last few years. 3 Bama DBs have been selected in the first two rounds since 2013, and two of those three are Pro Bowl calibre...I'd say that's a pretty good showing. Heck, you've also got Amari Cooper in the 2015 class who is a perennial Pro Bowler.

People need to hold off judgement and stop calling Ozzie a failure, just because he didn't do what all the mock drafts and "expert" fans say he should have done.

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

The biggest beef that I have with this pick is not necessarily the guy we selected, but how it's possible he may not step in and start immediately. With Smith, Carr, and Young in the slot, we would be set for one year, then could move on to a better corner than Carr at the CB2 slot. That's when it looks like Humphrey will make his biggest impact. Humphrey is not ready to start year one, and looks like he will need a redshirt year to really make a difference.

Yet, by that reasoning, we could've selected Allen, Foster, Howard, or hell even Robinson, then selected Washington's Sidney Jones in the second. Jones is a better corner than Humphrey in my mind who will need a redshirt year too. That pairing of an elite player with Jones seems like the smartest thing we could've done. 

jimmy smit skill set is what fits this ravens defense and humphrey is the closest thing to that skill sett.

means you can have 2 jimmy type of players on the outside and you might not loose much scheme wise if jimmy goes down.

think a lot of people are over looking that humphrey is a similar type of corner as jimmy.

this is a good scheme fit and humphrey can learn directly from the guy  his game is similar to.

with jimmy tutor humphrey he might not need a lot of time to adjust to the pro game.
took jimmy almost 2 seasons to become the corner he is now.

[GENE2407]

  38 minutes ago, GENE2407 said:

I applaud that the Ravens finally wised up and took a CB high in the draft. I see a lot negative posts about the guy here and don't know a thing about him yet. I will say we have to wait until his first game (not mini-camp or training camp where Harbaugh will gush about his practice being the next Deion Sanders). You will know almost immediately in those first couple games if he can really cover or not. Watch him on another team's #1 WR and we'll know what we have then.

I'm clearly one of the negative ones about the pick. I've done a ton of studying, here's my opinion.
We like him because, and he is fast and physical. He has good measurables, and looked good at the underwear olympics. And he went to Bama...yahoo?
I'm bummed because, not only did we leave all pros on the board for this guy, but this corner class is insane. IMO, and a lot of others, there will be better corners coming off the board well more than a full round later.
All that, but MORE importantly his play
He doesn't have very good instincts or ball skills, which is a big bummer if you're a corner, especially the number 16 pick, in this class, esp playing at Bama and on that D as long as he did.
But more importantly he gets torched down the field. He panics and doesn't play the ball or wr well when the ball is in the air. And this is the way I feel about that, and a lot of analyst agree. That's kind of an either you have it or you don't sort of thing. Goes along with instincts, it's not really something you can teach.
I sincerely hope he can fix it, and I'm wrong about the pick overall, but that is a bad trait to take up against Brady and Ben. I also think corners like Awuzie, Tabor, King, Wilson, and others will easily be better than him. And they're still on the board. We could've gone for Sidney, cuz we're all set this year with 3 starters.
Nothing to do about it now. We are all hoping I'm wrong.
Friday is HUGE.
And yeah, listening to Harbaugh talk about our players and team is Really old at this point. He just says what everyone wants to hear to say the least. I'm hoping to wait til January to hear him talk this Season

There's nothing more frustrating than a guy who can blanket a receiver but has the ball sail past his earlobe and into the chest of the guy he's covering. Usually an instinctive thing and can't be taught. I'll have to see him play in August.

[sizzlingdoom]

  57 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

3 Safeties won't be on the field that often.
And wait a second, you're telling me we'll need to roll coverage every time because the 16 overall pick can't hang by himself? Jimmy did not have problems playing the ball or covering down the field coming out. And he certainly didn't have one of the best college front 7s ever playing in front if him.
We'll see. I hope I'm wrong

no but odds are 2 safeties will be on the field on pretty much every play.

well if you have a shut down corner on the other side then you have the luxury to do just that.
not to mention the are very few rookies that became shutdown corners from day 1,  if there are any.
expecting that from a guy just because he got drafted in round 1 is stupid.

also did you just start watching the ravens after the SB orso?

jimmy in his rookie season got burned quite a lot deep and it als happend a lot in his 2nd season.
he pretty much fell for any double move and could not recover.
he became a quality corner who did not need much help in year 3.

Corner is 1 of the hardest positions to adapt to coming to the NFL period.

 

 

I definitely do not expect that from Marlon. I expect him to get torched if he plays any 1 on 1 this year. Esp. vs Brown, Green, Ross, Bryant, Coleman. And those are just guys in our division.
And no, I've been a huge fan for about 12 years.
There are 4-6 corners that are better that are still on the board. We could've picked one of them today, while at the same time already having a pro bowl Center, RT, or Guard-Lamp
or an All Pro TE- OJ......but I already know the response there-
"we have a top 10 te group"
Pitta- my sister blocks better. overrated as a receiver, predictable handicap
Gilmore- can't get on the field
Watson- too old and coming off devastating injury
Maxx- A bust and " not strong enough" after his 2nd year in the league..........LOL REALLY?
Boyle- A good back up that was suspended most of the year
Waller-"potential" and everyone knows he's not a TE

Amazing to me that are fans are still enamored with the "potential" word

[sizzlingdoom]

Our TE group and WR group are both bottom 5 in the league.( don't give me Pitta(not a TE) check down stats, or "potential from TEs that don't hit the field)
If Gilmore would find a way to stay healthy, and we draft Ju Ju both of those rankings can be flipped in a hurry. And they desperately need to be. Not a great start yesterday, let's see what today holds

[sizzlingdoom]

  8 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time

weddle over the top as the centre fielder.

problem solved.

 

 

So anytime Marlon is on the field, we'll just make sure Weddle always has to cover him over the top? what a plan

[Drinkmore Beer]

Well - if there are 4 Bama-players worthy of a #16 pick, I think we can safely assume Ozzie has all the information humanely possible to acquire on all four of them, so if there was someone who could make a genuinely informed decision on which of the four to pick, it was Ozzie.

So, if he chose Humphrey, then I guess it was the best pick of the four.

Now onto Day #2.

I agree. I was sure we were going to take Foster, but the fact that we didn't and fell so far down the board says to me there must be some character issues.

[sizzlingdoom]

The biggest beef that I have with this pick is not necessarily the guy we selected, but how it's possible he may not step in and start immediately. With Smith, Carr, and Young in the slot, we would be set for one year, then could move on to a better corner than Carr at the CB2 slot. That's when it looks like Humphrey will make his biggest impact. Humphrey is not ready to start year one, and looks like he will need a redshirt year to really make a difference.

Yet, by that reasoning, we could've selected Allen, Foster, Howard, or hell even Robinson, then selected Washington's Sidney Jones in the second. Jones is a better corner than Humphrey in my mind who will need a redshirt year too. That pairing of an elite player with Jones seems like the smartest thing we could've done. 

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone with reason and insight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lamp and Howard are the one's we ABSOLUTELY missed. Unreal
And Sidney is Twice the corner Marlon will ever be. Even if came back 85 %, which he won't

[Tru11]

4 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I definitely do not expect that from Marlon. I expect him to get torched if he plays any 1 on 1 this year. Esp. vs Brown, Green, Ross, Bryant, Coleman. And those are just guys in our division.
And no, I've been a huge fan for about 12 years.
There are 4-6 corners that are better that are still on the board. We could've picked one of them today, while at the same time already having a pro bowl Center, RT, or Guard-Lamp
or an All Pro TE- OJ......but I already know the response there-
"we have a top 10 te group"
Pitta- my sister blocks better. overrated as a receiver, predictable handicap
Gilmore- can't get on the field
Watson- too old and coming off devastating injury
Maxx- A bust and " not strong enough" after his 2nd year in the league..........LOL REALLY?
Boyle- A good back up that was suspended most of the year
Waller-"potential" and everyone knows he's not a TE

Amazing to me that are fans are still enamored with the "potential" word

im pretty sure that if humphrey get to cover any of those receivers he will get safety help over the top.

if those CBs where better then him they would have gone in round 1 to and probably before him.
NFL teams dont agree with you.
nothing more to add to this.

also nobody is denying that OJ is a very talented TE.
But what makes you think that his talent would translate to being an all pro on the ravens?

for someone that says he has been a ravens fan for 12 years i really wonder based on what do you think we would all of sudden have the offense that gets players to  be considered an all pro?

 

[The Negotiator]

Matt Elam 2.0

[Ravensfansince03]

I agree, we could have one of the best secondaries (on paper). But without a capable D-line our secondary will still get chewed up. Now they have to pick trough the later rounds to find a sure pass rusher, game changing type of DE

[Ravensfansince03]

It was great watching the kid that announced our pick. The crowd was enthusiastic and showed amazing love. It is so hilarious how the crowd bo's Goodell every time he takes the stand lol. That should have been sent the NFL a message. Just shows they could care less if the fans like goodell or not.

[Tru11]

8 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

So anytime Marlon is on the field, we'll just make sure Weddle always has to cover him over the top? what a plan

even when marlon is not on the field i expect a safety over the top .

nothing radical about this tbh.

quite frankly i expect any defender not named jimmy to get safety help if they have to cover the opponent top receiver.

heck i could even see jimmy get help from time to time if has to go against guys as good as OBJ and julio tbh.

 

 

[Corvus]

Can't and won't hate on this pick simply due to Jimmy Smith's injury history. That said, you don't want to hear that your newest big investment at cornerback has trouble tracking the ball in the air downfield in basically every scouting report. Especially when you are in a division with Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, AJ Green (who has single handedly defeated our team deep many times), John Ross, Corey Coleman, etc...

[The Greek]

 

  57 minutes ago, The Greek said:

if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2

And if and when we struggle to pass the rusher from the inside I'm sure you'll wish we drafted Allen. 

Anybody can say stuff like that.

true but a more creative def coord. can improve the pass rush with exotic pkgs which out of date pees lacks

[sizzlingdoom]

Can't and won't hate on this pick simply due to Jimmy Smith's injury history. That said, you don't want to hear that your newest big investment at cornerback has trouble tracking the ball in the air downfield in basically every scouting report. Especially when you are in a division with Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, AJ Green (who has single handedly defeated our team deep many times), John Ross, Corey Coleman, amd possibly Josh Gordon...

Exactly. There were much better corner options further down the board.
So we not only missed out them now, but also passed on future All Pros like Lamp and OJ too.
Bummer to say the least