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3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

btw Humphrey was a lot more hyped the previous year. this year QBS targeted him and showed him up. 

Who did you want at that spot?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, redrum52 said:

I just wanna ask why people say a physical CB isn't a "sexy" pick?  

OJ Howard and Jonathan Allen were there. And Ozzie continues to neglect the offensive side of the ball...Again...

 

I like Humphrey but would have rather done something along the lines of the above. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I'm not sold on fournette btw

ok... 

So you dont like Fournette. You think Humphrey's a huge reach --- but you also thought Ramsey was a bust. So... hopefully this is really good news for Humphrey. Lately your hate of defensive backs (Ramsey, Landon Collins) has meant they become studs.

Basically seals it. Humphrey's a stud.

I'd actually be more worried if you really liked him.

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6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

OJ Howard and Jonathan Allen were there. And Ozzie continues to neglect the offensive side of the ball...Again...

 

I like Humphrey but would have rather done something along the lines of the above. 

I wanted Howard, but realistically, adding another TE wasn't necessary.  All the WR were gone and it was too early to OL.  CB was more important than DL and he's only 20. 

 

I also didn't want Allen.  Yea.  I said it.

 

He hasn't really neglected the offense either.  It may seem like it this off season, but was Wagner worth that money?  No way Juice was staying.  Still plenty of draft left and I highly doubt we don't scoop up any linemen.  I don't think anyone saw the Wrs all going in the top 10 either.  Also, everytime our first pick is a Alabama defender we make a deep playoff run.  So there goes that.

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[PurpleHorseman]

18 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well the fact that draft day it was reported that teams have Humphrey 2 and Jackson 3 which was surprising to most.... and by gosh, Humphrey goes 5 picks after lattimore, and Adoree goes 2 after that --- seems pretty legit.

Yes because Ozzie drafted him. Not everybody has the biasedness for Bama. Most teams after us probably liked different cornerbacks. If we didn't draft him can't say he would of been next cornerback drafted. I have read posts here calling about 5 different cornerbacks the best in the draft. Humphrey isn't one of those cornerbacks. 

Anybody saying he was BPA or best cornerback show some proof everybody you have Humphrey so high on your board. After ravens draft him everybody goes on an Easter egg hunt looking for somebody calling Humphrey a top10 pick. Show us anybody posting about that before last night. Show us a mock on this board with him the No.2 cornerback taken. 

Edited April 28 by PurpleHorseman

[Sami84]

8 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Who did you want at that spot?

BPA 

 

Rueben Foster or Oj howard. Or trade back and take T.White.

 

[Sami84]

I hope everyone here realizes that if Humphrey was an LSU player he wouldn't have been picked.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I wanted Howard, but realistically, adding another TE wasn't necessary.  All the WR were gone and it was too early to OL.  CB was more important than DL and he's only 20. 

 

I also didn't want Allen.  Yea.  I said it.

 

He hasn't really neglected the offense either.  It may seem like it this off season, but was Wagner worth that money?  No way Juice was staying.  Still plenty of draft left and I highly doubt we don't scoop up any linemen.  I don't think anyone saw the Wrs all going in the top 10 either.  Also, everytime our first pick is a Alabama defender we make a deep playoff run.  So there goes that.

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Coincidence? I think not lol. Like I said though, I like Humphrey. He's probably going to be a good player. 

That said, I honestly would have rather gotten Warford at this point and kicked Lewis out to tackle. My big fear is that our plan is to neglect the oline entirely and pick up Mangold and Vollmer. I don't like the in house replacements, and I am not too confident in our weapons. 

Howard is gonna be a special player though. I hope we can take my boys(Cooper Kupp and Jake Butt) but we need to fix that line first. I hope Lamp or Robinson fall(and Robinson is not a bad pick in the second). 

[Sami84]

8 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I wanted Howard, but realistically, adding another TE wasn't necessary.  All the WR were gone and it was too early to OL.  CB was more important than DL and he's only 20. 

 

I also didn't want Allen.  Yea.  I said it.

 

He hasn't really neglected the offense either.  It may seem like it this off season, but was Wagner worth that money?  No way Juice was staying.  Still plenty of draft left and I highly doubt we don't scoop up any linemen.  I don't think anyone saw the Wrs all going in the top 10 either.  Also, everytime our first pick is a Alabama defender we make a deep playoff run.  So there goes that.

 

I said at the end of the season that this FO will show if its evolved by letting B.Will walk and resign wagner. We could have signed wagner and got Pryor for the amount of dosh we spent on the vastly overrated williams.

 

our FO is declining big time.

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1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes because Ozzie drafted him. Not everybody has the biasedness for Bama. Most teams after us probably liked different cornerbacks. If we didn't draft him can't say he would of been next cornerback drafted. I have read posts here calling about 5 different cornerbacks the best in the draft. Humphrey isn't one of those cornerbacks. 

Anybody saying he was BPA or best cornerback show some proof everybody you have Humphrey so high on your board. After ravens draft him everybody goes on an Easter egg hunt looking for somebody calling Humphrey a top10 pick. Show us anybody posting about that before last night

Wasn't Allen regarded as a top 3 pick before the draft?  We were also praised I think for the Elam pick when it was made.  None of this stuff matters until they're on the field.  I like him cause he's physical, fast and has size.  Great on short passes and screen as well.  You know who loves to run screens?  Pats and Steelers.  Short routes?  Pats.  I think they knew what they had in mind when making the decision.  Marlon, Tavon and Tony should give us a nice young core in secondary.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Wasn't Allen regarded as a top 3 pick before the draft?  We were also praised I think for the Elam pick when it was made.  None of this stuff matters until they're on the field.  I like him cause he's physical, fast and has size.  Great on short passes and screen as well.  You know who loves to run screens?  Pats and Steelers.  Short routes?  Pats.  I think they knew what they had in mind when making the decision.  Marlon, Tavon and Tony should give us a nice young core in secondary.

 

I honestly want to see Ben sandwhiched between Tony and Marlon when he tries to do one of his scrambles against us. 

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3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Coincidence? I think not lol. Like I said though, I like Humphrey. He's probably going to be a good player. 

That said, I honestly would have rather gotten Warford at this point and kicked Lewis out to tackle. My big fear is that our plan is to neglect the oline entirely and pick up Mangold and Vollmer. I don't like the in house replacements, and I am not too confident in our weapons. 

Howard is gonna be a special player though. I hope we can take my boys(Cooper Kupp and Jake Butt) but we need to fix that line first. I hope Lamp or Robinson fall(and Robinson is not a bad pick in the second). 

I think he's going to be good and trust me, I said to my boy I think we're going Howard.  I would've been fine with Howard or Foster, but what do you think has honestly cost us the most games late in the season?  As bad as our OL was, they showed up late last year.

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I said at the end of the season that this FO will show if its evolved by letting B.Will walk and resign wagner. We could have signed wagner and got Pryor for the amount of dosh we spent on the vastly overrated williams.

 

our FO is declining big time.

I said they should've let both of them walk.  With the change in rules, we need power on the OL and that's not Wagner's game.  Would've loved to scoop Pryor, though for the cash we used on Williams.  I won't say he's overrated.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes because Ozzie drafted him. Not everybody has the biasedness for Bama. Most teams after us probably liked different cornerbacks. If we didn't draft him can't say he would of been next cornerback drafted. I have read posts here calling about 5 different cornerbacks the best in the draft. Humphrey isn't one of those cornerbacks. 

Anybody saying he was BPA or best cornerback show some proof everybody you have Humphrey so high on your board. After ravens draft him everybody goes on an Easter egg hunt looking for somebody calling Humphrey a top10 pick. Show us anybody posting about that before last night. Show us a mock on this board with him the No.2 cornerback taken. 

Want proof?

From BmoreBird22's Mock in the Draft talk... this is from my comment on the 1st page

"I like Humphrey but can't see us passing on Barnett or Allen especially to go with Humphrey. 

Wouldnt be surprised if we had

Humphrey as the top CB on our board but I have a bunch that both Allen and Barnett are top 5-7 guys on our board. Only way we'd pass on Allen there is if we took him off the board completely for medical reasons. 

And to go a step further.... no way Wilson is the 2nd CB off the board. All I've heard is that he's fallen to the 2nd round and a lot of teams project him more to S. In this scenario Philly would almost definitely take Conley or Humphrey imo. 

But to each his own. I doubt Humphrey is there when we pick..."

 

Barnett was gone, Im guessing we had Allen as undraftable at 16 bc of medical, and Conley had the rape accusations.

I didnt alter anything. You can check yourself.

[PurpleHorseman]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

BPA 

 

Rueben Foster or Oj howard. Or trade back and take T.White.

 

Dude some people here are going to say anybody ravens picked was the BPA and attempt to justify it. Every player we pick was the best possible pick ravens could make. It's actually funny

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1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude some people here are going to say anybody ravens picked was the BPA and attempt to justify it. Every player we pick was the best possible pick ravens could make. It's actually funny

I think a lot people will say that he's not necessarily the BPA, but he's a necessity and he's a good player.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I think he's going to be good and trust me, I said to my boy I think we're going Howard.  I would've been fine with Howard or Foster, but what do you think has honestly cost us the most games late in the season?  As bad as our OL was, they showed up late last year.

I said they should've let both of them walk.  With the change in rules, we need power on the OL and that's not Wagner's game.  Would've loved to scoop Pryor, though for the cash we used on Williams.  I won't say he's overrated.

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As bad as the secondary was towards the end. The pass rush did just as much damage. We were blitzing against pittsburgh on the final drive and we couldn't get stuff done. We need an edge rusher more than anything on defense right now, and olinemen to fill the two holes on the interior. 

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Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

As bad as the secondary was towards the end. The pass rush did just as much damage. We were blitzing against pittsburgh on the final drive and we couldn't get stuff done. We need an edge rusher more than anything on defense right now, and olinemen to fill the two holes on the interior. 

One hole.  Zuttah doesn't count...  Better coverage means holding the ball longer.  Also, Jimmy didn't play that game.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude some people here are going to say anybody ravens picked was the BPA and attempt to justify it. Every player we pick was the best possible pick ravens could make. It's actually funny

 

btw let me make this clear. Humphrey has really strong points..he is as many point out and his game tape shows this the best screen destroyer and tackler in this CB class and it's not close..he also had insane agility and good make up speed..but

 

HE"S a STRONG SAFTEY NOT A CORNER! he could be an All pro saftey..he is simply not a corner. He is worth the pick when everything is in front of him..when he has to mimmick and beat a top notch reciever and turn his head and use that elite corner instincts though he is Nowhere near a 1st round pick.

[Sami84]

Remember when ozzie signed michael huff and drafted matt elam.

 

i do

[Sami84]

13 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Coincidence? I think not lol. Like I said though, I like Humphrey. He's probably going to be a good player. 

That said, I honestly would have rather gotten Warford at this point and kicked Lewis out to tackle. My big fear is that our plan is to neglect the oline entirely and pick up Mangold and Vollmer. I don't like the in house replacements, and I am not too confident in our weapons. 

Howard is gonna be a special player though. I hope we can take my boys(Cooper Kupp and Jake Butt) but we need to fix that line first. I hope Lamp or Robinson fall(and Robinson is not a bad pick in the second). 

 

dont touch lewis and RT. He is an atrocious RT.

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Just now, Sami84 said:

Remember when ozzie signed michael huff and drafted matt elam.

 

i do

Remember when we had 2 14 points leads and still lost cause we were holding open tryouts for cb at flag football games?  

 

I do

[balfan23]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes because Ozzie drafted him. Not everybody has the biasedness for Bama. Most teams after us probably liked different cornerbacks. If we didn't draft him can't say he would of been next cornerback drafted. I have read posts here calling about 5 different cornerbacks the best in the draft. Humphrey isn't one of those cornerbacks. 

Anybody saying he was BPA or best cornerback show some proof everybody you have Humphrey so high on your board. After ravens draft him everybody goes on an Easter egg hunt looking for somebody calling Humphrey a top10 pick. Show us anybody posting about that before last night. Show us a mock on this board with him the No.2 cornerback taken. 

I'm just not exactly sure why I'm supposed to take the word of Mike Mayock (or any other analyst) over Ozzies. I'm not seeking to justify the pick by hunting for someone who will provide reassurance. None of these guys are our GM. Ozzie is. Until he retires or we fire him (not bloody likely), that's the guy I'm going to assume knows more than someone who writes for NFL network or any of these other self-styled gurus. 

I've had some reasons to not be thrilled with how the 1st round broke for us, but none have to do with where the guy we picked sat on some writer's big board. 

[Sami84]

i remember when people in this forum were legit saying

 

Huff and Elam > Pollard and Old Reed.

[January J]

11 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Then Take OJ Howard, or David Njoku. Or something along the lines of it! There was better value on the board! We need playmakers. 

 

I'm more pissed off than anything that we YET AGAIN Neglect the offensive side of the ball. Joe isn't superman. He needs help. Mainly on the oline. 

What do you mean YET AGAIN ? didn't we specifically draft a franchise left tackle last year at #6 overall? Didn't we address wide receiver with our first the year before that? Ozzie literally can't win. Damned if he does and damned if he don't. If we would've taken somebody else and jimmy went down in the thick of the playoff hunt again or Carr didn't pan out everybody would've been calling him a fool for passing on Humphrey too. As I said- ravens fans are NEVER satisfied.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, January J said:

What do you mean YET AGAIN ? didn't we specifically draft a franchise left tackle last year at #6 overall? Didn't we address wide receiver with our first the year before that? Ozzie literally can't win. Damned if he does and damned if he don't. If we would've taken somebody else and jimmy went down in the thick of the playoff hunt again or Carr didn't pan out everybody would've been calling him a fool for passing on Humphrey too. As I said- ravens fans are NEVER satisfied.

 

 it's not about taking a corner

 

it's about taking a corner that struggles against man to man coverage when there are many more polished and quite frankly better corners that could be had while getting an extra pick by trading down.

 

my point is that the eye test tells me that marlon is not only NOT BPA he's not even the best corner available.

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1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

i remember when people in this forum were legit saying

 

Huff and Elam > Pollard and Old Reed.

For reals?

 

2 minutes ago, January J said:

What do you mean YET AGAIN ? didn't we specifically draft a franchise left tackle last year at #6 overall? Didn't we address wide receiver with our first the year before that? Ozzie literally can't win. Damned if he does and damned if he don't. If we would've taken somebody else and jimmy went down in the thick of the playoff hunt again or Carr didn't pan out everybody would've been calling him a fool for passing on Humphrey too. As I said- ravens fans are NEVER satisfied.

TRUU

[balfan23]

OMG folks - take this hand wringing crap to the draft thread .... 

Welcome to the Ravens, Marlon Humphrey! You are coming into a quality organization that has a winning tradition and want to build on that with your talent. There are definitely worse places to land. 

Bring some swagger, confidence and give 110% ... another words ... PLAY LIKE A RAVEN! 

[Sami84]

Just now, redrum52 said:

For reals?

 

TRUU

 

yup..this forum just goes into a denial out of for the love of ozzie love fest.

I said huff was one of most non-instinctive players that we could sign and was only an athlete. I got a plethora of negs and what do you know? Ozzie knows best..

he probably would have drafted him 2006 as aside from reed he's never shown interest in guys that ballhawk over guys that run and jump

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude some people here are going to say anybody ravens picked was the BPA and attempt to justify it. Every player we pick was the best possible pick ravens could make. It's actually funny

its not saying that he was MY bpa. But clearly the Ravens had him as the highest available player.

Obviously not all people are going to agree on how players match up or rank. But to think or make an argument that the Ravens purposely picked a player they had ranked way lower than others is absolutely ridiculous.

And considering i know my own limitations and a few tapes on youtube is NOT enough resource to make accurate projections of prospects or evaluations; and that our FO is quite good at evaluating players and has access to far more resources.... im going to trust their judgement until proven otherwise.

 

Its almost a guarantee that some players picked ahead of Humphrey are going to be far worse and that there will be players picked behind him that will be better.

Its a guarantee that a bunch of players you really like will end up being terrible. And im sure some you like will pan out. Because its a lottery and far from a science.

But if you like the player, which i do, and expected him to be gone before our pick - which i did - then why not be happy about it? Its clear they tried to trade up for Barnett or Reddick, who are the only two players that got close to our pick that i wouldve preferred... so im right on board with their line of thinking.

Just bc you find the humphrey pick a reach or ridiculous doesnt make it so. Just shows you didnt have a clue how the actual teams are seeing and valuing these players.

Edited April 28 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, balfan23 said:

OMG folks - take this hand wringing crap to the draft thread .... 

Welcome to the Ravens, Marlon Humphrey! You are coming into a quality organization that has a winning tradition and want to build on that with your talent. There are definitely worse places to land. 

Bring some swagger, confidence and give 110% ... another words ... PLAY LIKE A RAVEN! 

 

He'll play like a raven, he'll play great run D and Break screens but will struggle to cover man to man and give up big plays  thats how we role ..you wont be disappointed in that regard