Welcome to Baltimore Marlon Humphrey

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

It was a weird one for me. I did my draft board up to a certain point and was kind of shocked when we picked him with the likes of Howard, Allen etc. still on the board but then I looked at my list and Humphrey wasn't too far off the spot we took him at. 

i did the exact same double take - i was like look at all the players left on the board and then looked down and humphrey was sat there like 2 spots behind oj howard and still in the top 16 players

[PurpleHorseman]

34 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well considering everyone constantly complains about our CBs always playing 10 yds off the ball, that technique would actually fit Humphrey brilliantly. When he keeps the play in front of him hes an absolute game changer.

Hes perfect for a Tampa 2 or Cover 3 type defense which we employ a lot of. And its not like hes going to be thrown in the fire immediately. Plus you absolutely can be taught ball tracking. Some of it is innate that you have it or dont.... but a team doesnt miraculously go from worst in the league for INT's to best by accident. We did bc our secondary focused on it and practiced tracking deep balls. 

He'll improve with good coaching.

His skill set was very much lauded early on in the process. As i remember it was almost unanimous that he was the somewhere from the 1st-4th CB in the draft depending on preference, and it wasnt until the Combine and Pro Days that he suddenly fell out of the conversation for some reason. Looks like for the teams, his stock never dropped.

 

And now we dont have to hope that a good CB falls to the 3rd round (they wont) and we can scoop up a 1st round talent at pass rusher or OL, maybe both with our next 3 picks.

Tim Williams and then Dion Dawkins and ill be as happy as a pig in you know what.

Any 2 of Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Tyus Bowser, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp, Dion Dawkins, Dan Feeney, Pat Elflein, Juju, Godwin, Zay Jones, Cooper Kupp, Ryan Anderson, Ahkello Witherspoon, Teez tabor, Fabian Moreau, Sidney Jones, etc... etc....

We have 3 of the next 46ish picks. Were in very good position.

Ravens pick pick 16 in round2 so many of the top players left will be drafted. There was no hoping a cornerback falls. Several are going to be there in round2 and 3. Matter of fact so many cornerbacks that several of the ones drafted after Humphrey will likely outplay him. Especially with his issues finding the football. His stock has plummeted lately because of it. His size twitch burst was coveted by the scouts. But when his tape was more closely examined his major issues jumped out of the screen. And those don't go away. It can get better a touch but not by much.

Ravens got better with ints not because players learned to play with their back to the ball but we brought in tavon young and Eric Weddle. And a coverage linebacker stepped up. Ravens need an edge rusher so that Humphrey isn't roasted while trying to cover all day with his back to the ball. We need a WR and serious offensive line help.

As for Humphrey's draft stock. Prisco said he talked with his Bama sources. And his deficiencies finding throws is very legit. And the younger cornerbacks at Bama were outplaying him because of it. That is a fact. However doesn't mean he is totally useless. He can play tampa2 and SS. Could eventually become the best SS.

[PurpleHorseman]

31 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

They wont get past the line of scrimmage....

Seriously?? Tell that to  the WRs that averaged nearly 20 ypc on Marlon Humphrey

 

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

no one's moved him up the board but no one's going to not support the guy who comes in to be a raven - ive always said the only guy i wouldnt be able to talk myself into would be taco charlton

I don't talk myself into liking players more because we drafted them. A player is what he is. 

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Seriously?? Tell that to  the WRs that averaged nearly 20 ypc on Marlon Humphrey

 

I don't talk myself into liking players more because we drafted them. A player is what he is. 

well then what's the point in watching the ravens this year if you are just going to root against the player we selected - im not saying he's the guy i would have wanted but im not going to just focus on all the negatives because that would make supporting the ravens and marlon humphrey a depressing business - especially when he has a lot of positives to him as well

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Ravens pick pick 16 in round2 so many of the top players left will be drafted. There was no hoping a cornerback falls. Several are going to be there in round2 and 3. Matter of fact so many cornerbacks that several of the ones drafted after Humphrey will likely outplay him. Especially with his issues finding the football. His stock has plummeted lately because of it. His size twitch burst was coveted by the scouts. But when his tape was more closely examined his major issues jumped out of the screen. And those don't go away. It can get better a touch but not by much.

Ravens got better with ints not because players learned to play with their back to the ball but we brought in tavon young and Eric Weddle. And a coverage linebacker stepped up. Ravens need an edge rusher so that Humphrey isn't roasted while trying to cover all day with his back to the ball. We need a WR and serious offensive line help.

As for Humphrey's draft stock. Prisco said he talked with his Bama sources. And his deficiencies finding throws is very legit. And the younger cornerbacks at Bama were outplaying him because of it. That is a fact. However doesn't mean he is totally useless. He can play tampa2 and SS. Could eventually become the best SS.

Yeah, anyone who watched Alabama knows he struggled to turn and locate the ball. You're not bringing some new revelation by posting the exact same thing 10 times over.

[rossihunter2]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Yeah, anyone who watched Alabama knows he struggled to turn and locate the ball. You're not bringing some new revelation by posting the exact same thing 10 times over.

exactly - i saw that too and was concerned about it but he's a monster playing in the zone in that left corner role with his eyes on the cornerback - he's a guy that puts himself in position to make plays on the ball in the zone - if he can improve his back pedal and hip fluidity then he can access that track speed he has in man coverage as well

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

exactly - i saw that too and was concerned about it but he's a monster playing in the zone in that left corner role with his eyes on the cornerback - he's a guy that puts himself in position to make plays on the ball in the zone - if he can improve his back pedal and hip fluidity then he can access that track speed he has in man coverage as well

Hip fluidity is a non issue for me. He's plenty loose for someone his size. 

He needs to improve his footwork.

And most college press man corners play the man and not the ball, so a lack of ball tracking on deep balls is a non issue to me for now.

[rudywasoffsides]

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

decosta most likely was pulling the strings given that he runs the draft

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

I'll say that. 

[Sizzlebshu]

3 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

 

Ozzie admitted, in not so many words, that he wasn't the best talent available. 

 

"He was the best player that we were going to take" 

 

This means that players with injuries (Foster, Allen, Mckinley) and players with character concerns (Foster, Conley) were off our board. 

 

We didn't have Howard rated higher because 

1. It takes a long time even for pro-ready TE. See Tyler Eifert. See Zach Ertz, Eric Ebron

s We have a lot of TE's and while none of them are reliable, we invested draft capital and aren't willing to give up on them. 

 

After that, give me a player who was better than Humphrey that went. I doubt you can. 

 

[PurpleHorseman]

19 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Ozzie admitted, in not so many words, that he wasn't the best talent available. 

 

"He was the best player that we were going to take" 

 

This means that players with injuries (Foster, Allen, Mckinley) and players with character concerns (Foster, Conley) were off our board. 

 

We didn't have Howard rated higher because 

1. It takes a long time even for pro-ready TE. See Tyler Eifert. See Zach Ertz, Eric Ebron

s We have a lot of TE's and while none of them are reliable, we invested draft capital and aren't willing to give up on them. 

 

After that, give me a player who was better than Humphrey that went. I doubt you can. 

 

Not a good challenge here!! Find one player better than a cornerback that can't play with his back to the football??It is very likely several cornerbacks drafted after him in rounds 2-3 or later will outplay him. Much less players from different positions. And I don't care the position. TE whatever a difference maker is a difference maker on offense. We don't have a clear starter at TE much less a difference maker. TE's aren't ready year one but Humphrey is a project as well. For those of you that believe he can get far better with his back to the play. You people aren't scared to say that cuz you all won't own up to it on RSR or wherever using a different name. One of those everybody lauding the pick then if he busts nobody ever liked the pick to begin with. He could become the best SS in the league but as a cornerback several drafted after him will outplay him. 

Look everybody not saying I hate the pick. I'm very excited about what kinda Strong Safety he will become!! Best in the league is my guess. But as a cornerback he scouts found serious deficiencies in coverage and said younger Bama cornerbacks outplayed him. And some QBs actually picked on him after trying the underclassmen who were far better in coverage intermediate and deep. I like the pick I don't love the pick cuz I preferred an offensive difference maker. He is an incredible specimen. I think he will be a great great player but not as cornerback.

 

Edited April 28 by PurpleHorseman

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

51 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Ravens pick pick 16 in round2 so many of the top players left will be drafted. There was no hoping a cornerback falls. Several are going to be there in round2 and 3. Matter of fact so many cornerbacks that several of the ones drafted after Humphrey will likely outplay him. Especially with his issues finding the football. His stock has plummeted lately because of it. His size twitch burst was coveted by the scouts. But when his tape was more closely examined his major issues jumped out of the screen. And those don't go away. It can get better a touch but not by much.

Ravens got better with ints not because players learned to play with their back to the ball but we brought in tavon young and Eric Weddle. And a coverage linebacker stepped up. Ravens need an edge rusher so that Humphrey isn't roasted while trying to cover all day with his back to the ball. We need a WR and serious offensive line help.

As for Humphrey's draft stock. Prisco said he talked with his Bama sources. And his deficiencies finding throws is very legit. And the younger cornerbacks at Bama were outplaying him because of it. That is a fact. However doesn't mean he is totally useless. He can play tampa2 and SS. Could eventually become the best SS.

his stock didnt plummet. Walter, Charlie and Ian Rappaport all report the contrary... and considering they actually talk to the teams, and you dont im going with them.

Albert Breer also did a piece yesterday morning about 10 things hes hearing leading up to the draft... and one of them was -- Marlon Humphrey and Adoree Jackson are going to go ALOT higher than people think. They are the #2 and #2 CBs on everyones board.

 

But hey, the whole league is wrong.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

34 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

I believe he was the best draftable player on the Ravens board.

They have the best intel on Bama players, so if Allen and Foster were off their board - i trust their judgement over anyone else.

 

4 draft guys i respect among the most all reported Humphrey was top 10 on most boards, as the #1 or #2 CB almost unanimously.

 

And i know @BmoreBird22 can certainly say it with a straight face. he has for weeks.

Edited April 28 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[PurpleHorseman]

39 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

his stock didnt plummet. Walter, Charlie and Ian Rappaport all report the contrary... and considering they actually talk to the teams, and you dont im going with them.

Albert Breer also did a piece yesterday morning about 10 things hes hearing leading up to the draft... and one of them was -- Marlon Humphrey and Adoree Jackson are going to go ALOT higher than people think. They are the #2 and #2 CBs on everyones board.

 

But hey, the whole league is wrong.

Prisco said scouts saw serious deficiencies. And when he talked to his Bama mates younger cornerbacks outplayed him. And QBs actually picked on him because the younger cornerbacks were better in deep coverage. And that is fact. He gave up 19 ypc and was picked on after the younger guys held up better in coverage. GMs send out smoke screens all the time. But the Bama coaches do not have a reason to. One of those guys put Corey Davis late round1!! Since his college coaches see the action close up I'm going with what those sources said about Humphrey.

it is mind boggling how many people talking themselves into Humphrey was BPA. These same people would be saying same thing if Howard Allen Njoku Harris Watt were the pick. Only bird22 can honestly say that. Nobody else put Humphrey over any of those players until the ravens drafted him. Some people on this board are so full of it

Edited April 28 by PurpleHorseman

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Prisco said scouts saw serious deficiencies. And when he talked to his Bama mates younger cornerbacks outplayed him. And QBs actually picked on him because the younger cornerbacks were better in deep coverage. And that is fact. He gave up 19 ypc and was picked on after the younger guys held up better in coverage. GMs send out smoke screens all the time. But the Bama coaches do not have a reason to. One of those guys put Corey Davis late round1!! Since his college coaches see the action close up I'm going with what those sources said about Humphrey.

That younger corner is Mincah Fitzpatrick and he's an easy top 10 pick next year if he keeps up his play

[Adreme]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Prisco said scouts saw serious deficiencies. And when he talked to his Bama mates younger cornerbacks outplayed him. And QBs actually picked on him because the younger cornerbacks were better in deep coverage. And that is fact. He gave up 19 ypc and was picked on after the younger guys held up better in coverage. GMs send out smoke screens all the time. But the Bama coaches do not have a reason to. One of those guys put Corey Davis late round1!! Since his college coaches see the action close up I'm going with what those sources said about Humphrey.

And yet despite knowing that he was still the second highest rated CB on most teams boards.  If he had no flaws he would have been top 5.

[443hurricane]

Every scout says he gets separated from receivers too easily for a former 5 star and consistently got beat on the deep ball ala mike williams from clemson in the championship game

[Drew P]

42 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Ozzie admitted, in not so many words, that he wasn't the best talent available. 

 

"He was the best player that we were going to take" 

 

This means that players with injuries (Foster, Allen, Mckinley) and players with character concerns (Foster, Conley) were off our board. 

 

We didn't have Howard rated higher because 

1. It takes a long time even for pro-ready TE. See Tyler Eifert. See Zach Ertz, Eric Ebron

s We have a lot of TE's and while none of them are reliable, we invested draft capital and aren't willing to give up on them. 

 

After that, give me a player who was better than Humphrey that went. I doubt you can. 

 

Tak

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That younger corner is Mincah Fitzpatrick and he's an easy top 10 pick next year if he keeps up his play

Mincah is better than Humphrey imo no doubt about it

[PurpleHorseman]

8 minutes ago, Adreme said:

And yet despite knowing that he was still the second highest rated CB on most teams boards.  If he had no flaws he would have been top 5.

That's what teams said but nobody is going to give away their real draft intentions 

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Mincah is better than Humphrey imo no doubt about it

mincah looks pretty special though

[Edgar]

19 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I believe he was the best draftable player on the Ravens board.

They have the best intel on Bama players, so if Allen and Foster were off their board - i trust their judgement over anyone else.

 

4 draft guys i respect among the most all reported Humphrey was top 10 on most boards, as the #1 or #2 CB almost unanimously.

 

And i know @BmoreBird22 can certainly say it with a straight face. he has for weeks.

Well, he put him in his mock draft. I'll take him at his word but the fact that he mocked him here doesn't necessarily show what he would have done last night.

His mock also has two corners and OJ going before Marlon.

Again, if he says that to him, Marlon was #1, I don't disbelieve him.

 

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yeah, anyone who watched Alabama knows he struggled to turn and locate the ball. You're not bringing some new revelation by posting the exact same thing 10 times over.

Some people nievely think he can fix that and turn it into a strength. Not a learned skill. Have it don't have it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

19 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Prisco said scouts saw serious deficiencies. And when he talked to his Bama mates younger cornerbacks outplayed him. And QBs actually picked on him because the younger cornerbacks were better in deep coverage. And that is fact. He gave up 19 ypc and was picked on after the younger guys held up better in coverage. GMs send out smoke screens all the time. But the Bama coaches do not have a reason to. One of those guys put Corey Davis late round1!! Since his college coaches see the action close up I'm going with what those sources said about Humphrey.

it is mind boggling how many people talking themselves into Humphrey was BPA. These same people would be saying same thing if Howard Allen Njoku Harris Watt were the pick. Only bird22 can honestly say that. Nobody else put Humphrey over any of those players until the ravens drafted them. Some people on this board are so full of it

Prisco is a moron.

He also said Fournette wont be good, and that Garret is a bust already.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Read this: walterfootball.com has Humphrey ranked top 1-2 corners in the draft, and had the Saints taking him 11th last night in their mock...

2017 NFL Draft Prospects: Cornerbacks

Humphrey has a superb skill set with the size to match up against big wideouts and enough speed to run with speed receivers. He has quick feet, physicality, length, and is agile to run the route with wideouts. Humphrey is well-developed and should be quality starter quickly in his NFL career. Some teams have Humphrey as their top-rated cornerback. 

In 2016, Humphrey totaled 33 tackles with two tackles for a loss, two interceptions and five pass breakups. He had an excellent season opener against USC as he shut down wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster, holding him to one catch for nine yards. Humphrey also had an interception returned 18 yards for a touchdown and a tackle for a loss. 

Humphrey is a well-rounded prospect who does everything well. Sources feel that Humphrey's only real flaw is that he had issues playing the ball in 2016, although he did better at that in his 2015 tape. He is very good at preventing separation as he can vertically stay with speed wideouts and run the routes with receivers, but some opponents made catches over him. Against Arkansas, Humphrey gave up a few receptions, including a touchdown. He also had a rough game against Ole Miss as he gave up a few completions downfield, including a score. On those plays, Humphrey was close to the receivers and not allowing separation, but they were making receptions over him and he wasn't doing a good job of playing the ball. That is the one issue that Humphrey needs to fix for the NFL. Some teams feel it is very correctable. 

9/3/16: In speaking to sources at multiple teams, they really like Humphrey and already view him as a high first-round talent. Teams feel he has a great skill set with size, speed and athleticism. After redshirting in 2014, Humphrey had an excellent debut to help Alabama win the National Championship. He earned a starting job across from Cyrus Jones and Humphrey was the Crimson Tide's top corner. In 2015, Humphrey totaled 45 tackles with three interceptions and eight passes broken up. He could take his game to another level in 2016

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

That's what teams said but nobody is going to give away their real draft intentions 

Well the fact that draft day it was reported that teams have Humphrey 2 and Jackson 3 which was surprising to most.... and by gosh, Humphrey goes 5 picks after lattimore, and Adoree goes 2 after that --- seems pretty legit.

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Prisco is a moron.

He also said Fournette wont be good, and that Garret is a bust already.

 

I'm not sold on fournette btw

[Sami84]

btw Humphrey was a lot more hyped the previous year. this year QBS targeted him and showed him up. 

[redrum52]

I just wanna ask why people say a physical CB isn't a "sexy" pick?