Welcome to Baltimore Marlon Humphrey

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

The fact that he has the same weaknesses as Jimmy coming out of college means we can probably fix them even faster.

What i dont understand about our scouting dept or our FO belief system is that we seemingly have no interest in players that play the ball, specifically corners. We seem to be more interested in guys whos strengths are at the line rather than deep on the outside where big plays occur.

I see no reason for the FO to have Humphrey ahead of t.white unless it's because of ozzies hatred of LSU. T.white is so much more polished and is a playmaker. the only think humphrey does better is break up screens. We have enough guys for that :/

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So. I've let the pick sit... I'm doing draft grades. I'm going to be honest.

 

I hate this pick. But I do not hate Marlon Humphrey . 

 

Marlon does a lot of things well. He's very good at breaking on the ball, he's got good instincts. He's a very good player. He was third rated corner, and frankly, I think he has a higher floor than most give him credit for. I think when Jimmy goes down, Humphrey becomes invaluable depth. I eventually think that by mid-season he could be a good starter. He's got a lot of things that I like. Likewise, he could eventually play safety since he's better going towards the ball than he is backpedalling. Overall. Marlon isn't the issue for me. 

 

My issue is passing up on Jonathan Allen. What the hell were we thinking? We trade away a damn good interior rusher when he was on his A game and have one fall right into our laps and we pass on him. Even with those shoulders, I do not understand that.

 

Don't get me wrong. Marlon is more likely than not to become a good player in my eyes. But my god. Freaking Allen was there. Smh Ozzie. What are you doing?

 

overall player grade: B. I think that by mid-season Humphrey gets the starting gig and does a good job. 

 

Overall Grade: F. You get a bonafida stud and pass on him. What was Ozzie thinking?

Not gonna lie, you're as bad as Sami with overreactions

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

WEAKNESSES

 Impatient from press coverage. Opens inside or outside too early rather than waiting for a clear declare from receiver. Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts. Issues playing the deep ball are a concern. From off coverage, overreacts to route fakes and opens the door to a big play. Allowed more than 19 yards per completion as a starter. Can be slow to locate the ball and finds himself out of optimal position to play the ball.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Round 1

SOURCES TELL US

 "There are some things on tape that really worry you. If he has trouble playing the long ball it is going to be bombs away against him and his team might have to change how they cover because of that. Those issues usually don't go away." -- Scouting director for AFC team

NFL COMPARISON

 Jimmy Smith

BOTTOM LINE

 Talented height-weight-speed prospect who comes from NFL bloodlines. Might need time for his technique to catch up with his traits. Coverage inconsistencies could cause him to struggle against quality competition early on, but his mental makeup and recovery talent should help him pull through. Has the instincts and run-support skills to become an early starter for a zone-cover defense, but it will be hard for teams looking for a lockdown, man corner to pass on all of those physical gifts early in the draft.

 

 

Basically, expect him to be giving up big plays unless we play him in a more limited or specialized role with saftey help.

The scouting report is correct. When a player has trouble locating football much less getting his eyes around to anticipate and break it usually doesn't go away. That is something you can or can't do unfortunately for him. It's what makes Malcolm Butler so great. Gets his eyes around, anticipates finds and breaks on throws. His skills at doing that somehow helped tom Brady leapfrog Montana as the best QB of the last 25 yrs or so. Marlon can't do that and probably never will. Even his "Highlights" he sees the ball last second and scrambles to try and break it up. In his highlights anyways he was more less lucky cuz the WR dropped it and he was able to get in the way enough to cause a bobble and drop.

Not sure how our inept management could possibly have him BPA!! It is mind boggling. Does management not know what the great cornerbacks are?? What makes them so great?? Marlon could maybe excel in cover2 and any variety of zone coverage. Where he faces the QB and action and can use his elite closing burst, striking and tackling. Better yet with his size and physicality he could eventually be a great Safety. Especially if he totally bombs at cornerback it will force a move to safety. Where he could be really special!!

[Sami84]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

The scouting report is correct. When a player has trouble locating football much less getting his eyes around to anticipate and break it usually doesn't go away. That is something you can or can't do unfortunately for him. It's what makes Malcolm Butler so great. Gets his eyes around, anticipates finds and breaks on throws. His skills at doing that somehow helped tom Brady leapfrog Montana as the best QB of the last 25 yrs or so. Marlon can't do that and probably never will. Even his "Highlights" he sees the ball last second and scrambles to try and break it up. In his highlights anyways he was more less lucky cuz the WR dropped it and he was able to get in the way enough to cause a bobble and drop.

Not sure how our inept management could possibly have him BPA!! It is mind boggling. Does management not know what the great cornerbacks are?? What makes them so great?? Marlon could maybe excel in cover2 and any variety of zone coverage. Where he faces the QB and action and can use his elite closing burst, striking and tackling. Better yet with his size and physicality he could eventually be a great Safety. Especially if he totally bombs at cornerback it will force a move to safety. Where he could be really special!!

 

at saftey he could be a deone bucannon type. 

I'm kinda shocked the FO see him as a shadow corner. He's superb at the Line..he jams better than jimmy smith did at colorodo but boy when he has to turn his back and the ball is in the air he's useless!

[jazz1988]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So. I've let the pick sit... I'm doing draft grades. I'm going to be honest.

 

I hate this pick. But I do not hate Marlon Humphrey . 

 

Marlon does a lot of things well. He's very good at breaking on the ball, he's got good instincts. He's a very good player. He was third rated corner, and frankly, I think he has a higher floor than most give him credit for. I think when Jimmy goes down, Humphrey becomes invaluable depth. I eventually think that by mid-season he could be a good starter. He's got a lot of things that I like. Likewise, he could eventually play safety since he's better going towards the ball than he is backpedalling. Overall. Marlon isn't the issue for me. 

 

My issue is passing up on Jonathan Allen. What the hell were we thinking? We trade away a damn good interior rusher when he was on his A game and have one fall right into our laps and we pass on him. Even with those shoulders, I do not understand that.

 

Don't get me wrong. Marlon is more likely than not to become a good player in my eyes. But my god. Freaking Allen was there. Smh Ozzie. What are you doing?

 

overall player grade: B. I think that by mid-season Humphrey gets the starting gig and does a good job. 

 

Overall Grade: F. You get a bonafida stud and pass on him. What was Ozzie thinking?

 

Allen was top 5 talent that most had going high in the first round but his medicals dropped him. His medicals must have been  a serious issue for a guy of his talent to fall that far.

Edited April 28 by jazz1988

[Sami84]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

 

Allen was top 5 talented that most had going high in the first round but his medicals dropped him. His medicals must have been serious issue for a guy of his talent to fall that far.

 

we passed on gronk..and while gronk has had injury issues im pretty sure we'd have done better with him..

ahh that legendary draft..i wonder how many people here loved the terrence cody pick..?

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

WEAKNESSES

 Impatient from press coverage. Opens inside or outside too early rather than waiting for a clear declare from receiver. Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts. Issues playing the deep ball are a concern. From off coverage, overreacts to route fakes and opens the door to a big play. Allowed more than 19 yards per completion as a starter. Can be slow to locate the ball and finds himself out of optimal position to play the ball.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Round 1

SOURCES TELL US

 "There are some things on tape that really worry you. If he has trouble playing the long ball it is going to be bombs away against him and his team might have to change how they cover because of that. Those issues usually don't go away." -- Scouting director for AFC team

NFL COMPARISON

 Jimmy Smith

BOTTOM LINE

 Talented height-weight-speed prospect who comes from NFL bloodlines. Might need time for his technique to catch up with his traits. Coverage inconsistencies could cause him to struggle against quality competition early on, but his mental makeup and recovery talent should help him pull through. Has the instincts and run-support skills to become an early starter for a zone-cover defense, but it will be hard for teams looking for a lockdown, man corner to pass on all of those physical gifts early in the draft.

 

 

Basically, expect him to be giving up big plays unless we play him in a more limited or specialized role with saftey help.

No, as a rookie and until he gets better with his jam, he can play right now as an elite zone corner.

I already said I don't see a number one in him but that can change and right now he's bringing an element of speed, instincts and intimidation to our secondary. 

[Sami84]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

No, as a rookie and until he gets better with his jam, he can play right now as an elite zone corner.

I already said I don't see a number one in him but that can change and right now he's bringing an element of speed, instincts and intimidation to our secondary. 

 

actually, he jams as well as anyone..

[jazz1988]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

we passed on gronk..and while gronk has had injury issues im pretty sure we'd have done better with him..

ahh that legendary draft..i wonder how many people here loved the terrence cody pick..?

Alot of teams passed on  Gronk  though probably for the same reasons.   Gronk was drafted before The Ravens picked Kindle and Terrance Cody so i'm not sure where you going with this one.

[Sami84]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

Alot of teams passed on  Gronk  though probably for the same reasons.   Gronk was drafted before The Ravens picked Kindle and Terrance Cody so i'm not sure where you going with this one.

 

yeah we traded out of the first round. I'm just saying there were times when ozzie saw the stars while everyone else played cute and failed.

now he does the latter...

exceptionally well too, sadly..

[mc_red23]

Regardless of whether I or anybody else likes/dislikes the pick, welcome to Baltimore, Marlon! 

I fully understand the pick, Jimmy Smith doesn't last a full season and Brandon Carr isn't the greatest or youngest but I wanted Allen so bad. Marlon worries me when it comes to deep balls, I hope he figures it out.

Edited April 28 by mc_red23

[Tru11]

53 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

at saftey he could be a deone bucannon type. 

I'm kinda shocked the FO see him as a shadow corner. He's superb at the Line..he jams better than jimmy smith did at colorodo but boy when he has to turn his back and the ball is in the air he's useless!

deone bucannon does not play safety ....

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

What i dont understand about our scouting dept or our FO belief system is that we seemingly have no interest in players that play the ball, specifically corners. We seem to be more interested in guys whos strengths are at the line rather than deep on the outside where big plays occur.

I see no reason for the FO to have Humphrey ahead of t.white unless it's because of ozzies hatred of LSU. T.white is so much more polished and is a playmaker. the only think humphrey does better is break up screens. We have enough guys for that :/

Then why didnt White go in the first round if hes so good? He doesnt have that long speed and just isnt the height, weight, speed type of corner we covet

edit: My bad white went 27th

Edited April 28 by ravensnation5220

[GrimCoconut]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

When you get a guy who is as talented as Allen, I don't give a damn what position he plays. Allen is a future difference maker who provides interior pressure. And this is a deep CB class. 

 

Seriously. Words cannot describe how awful the value was. This isn't Ronnie Stanley, who was an elite prospect anyway regardless of what people though. Humphrey is a good  prospect, but Allen was in our laps and we let him slide. And he's gonna make us regret it. 

People talked of Humphrey as the best CB in the Draft earlier in the year then his popularity took a nosedive but the talent is there. He just didn't have the best of years but he's got talent. He's not my favorite pick for us because I really wanted TJ Watt but that wasn't in the cards. 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Then why didnt White go in the first round if hes so good? He doesnt have that long speed and just isnt the height, weight, speed type of corner we covet

White did go in the first round. The Bills took him

[Jacquouille]

37 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

actually, he jams as well as anyone..

His jam is very inconsistent, he doesn't always reroute the receiver the wqy you'd want it or disturb the release. When he places his hands well, his jam is very very good, but he needs more consistency here.

[flynismo]

This was a guy many projected going to NO at #11 overall. He was good value where we got him.

I won't lie, I was extremely disappointed that we did not get one of the three WRs, I was certain one of them would fall to us. My predraft wish list, Humphrey was #6 on that list. So if I look at it from that perspective, it would be easy to be upset with this pick.

On the other hand...Of the guys left on the board, who was a better choice? Allen dropped like a rock because he is this year's Myles Jack. Foster, who I love and feel like was born to play on a 2000s Ravens D, has personal and health issues that can't be overlooked in a 1st round pick. Howard, okay, I can get on board with that, but we already have Gilmore and Waller behind Pitta. Really, I think he was absolutely the right choice when we got on the clock.

This kid has been compared to Jimmy Smith by many people. He isn't as good a pure cover man as Jimmy, but I think he is just as good, maybe better, a press corner as Smith is -- and that is saying something. And he can hit like a truck.

I saw bmorebird22 talk about how he fits like a glove. I think that is spot on correct. And think about it...We all recognize how much fitting a scheme affects a players development and performance. With all this raw talent and athleticism, as well as only being 20, this pick may well result in multiple Pro Bowls.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I am beyond excited. Humphrey fits like a glove in this defense. I have so much hope that he'll be an excellent pro for so many years to come.

I called this one.

One thing is for sure about this pick, he fits. I don't like the downside but in our system he can shine. We like top down attacking coverage and he does that better than any corner in the draft. We have the safety help to ease him into it. 

And thank god, we have a corner who can stop the quick pass, finally. Hot read to Edelman on the blitz? Meet Humphrey, coming in like a missile to ruin your day. 

But then again... play action deep shot and "welcome to the NFL marlon Humphrey" in the worst way... I hope he gets his head in the game and learns how to stay patient

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

One thing is for sure about this pick, he fits. I don't like the downside but in our system he can shine. We like top down attacking coverage and he does that better than any corner in the draft. We have the safety help to ease him into it. 

And thank god, we have a corner who can stop the quick pass, finally. Hot read to Edelman on the blitz? Meet Humphrey, coming in like a missile to ruin your day. 

But then again... play action deep shot and "welcome to the NFL marlon Humphrey" in the worst way... I hope he gets his head in the game and learns how to stay patient

Only way he gets stuck in one on one situations like that is if hes in cover 3. In that case i think he'll be fine. We have brandon carr and jimmy who are both 6foot corners to mentor him. Ive always loved Humphrey as a fit for us but didnt think we would take him once we signed Carr. @BmoreBird22 you and I were probably the only ones to have mocked him to us 😆

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Only way he gets stuck in one on one situations like that is if hes in cover 3. In that case i think he'll be fine. We have brandon carr and jimmy who are both 6foot corners to mentor him. Ive always loved Humphrey as a fit for us but didnt think we would take him once we signed Carr. @BmoreBird22 you and I were probably the only ones to have mocked him to us 😆

I mocked him to us about a month ago but I changed it to Corey Davis in my latest. I think my smokescreen theory about Davis was right btw, wasn't there talk of the ravens really wanting Davis hours before the draft?

[The Raven]

Okay, I watched Marlon Humphrey vs USC, Humphrey vs Texas A&M and Humphrey against Clemson. I LOVE the pick. The past couple months of work kept me away from the pre-draft scouting but my schedule is opening up again, so I'm gonna be taking a look at our guys.

The first things that jumped out to me were his energy and physicality. He plays fast and he plays through the whistle. He knocks guys out if they touch the ball. If you run a screen on him, he shuts that Crap down. He erases the short routes. He doesn't give people easy completions. I think that in the NFL his footwork may make him liable to a couple blown coverages on deep balls but he'll work on it.

In the run game, he is willing to get into traffic. Frequently in the Clemson game he made an effort to engage a tackle. Not many corners are willing to take on a block from a lineman. If he's got an angle on the back, he brings the wood. He really tries to fight off blocks, and if it's a WR, he usually wins.

He's built thick for a corner. That 6'0, 200 build, I think, is ideal for a corner. Long but not so long you have slow foot speed. 

The talk of him being stiff hipped I can see, but I think it's exaggerated. He's pretty fluid for a longer corner. It's the footwork that I think is the problem, and you see that around 3:05 against A&M. He played the slot most in the Clemson game, and to be honest, I think he can fit in there. I didn't see any glaring issues with him in the slot.

And whoever thinks he doesn't have ball skills needs to check out 2:30 against Texas A&M. He's got em. I just think he needs to get better at turning his head. He may not have the best ball skills but this guy is going to force a lot of incompletions, a lot of sacks, and a lot of punts. He's a good cover corner.

Another thing: he's a tone setter. Our defense lacks that right now in my opinion. I'm really loving this pick.

[Tru11]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

One thing is for sure about this pick, he fits. I don't like the downside but in our system he can shine. We like top down attacking coverage and he does that better than any corner in the draft. We have the safety help to ease him into it. 

And thank god, we have a corner who can stop the quick pass, finally. Hot read to Edelman on the blitz? Meet Humphrey, coming in like a missile to ruin your day. 

But then again... play action deep shot and "welcome to the NFL marlon Humphrey" in the worst way... I hope he gets his head in the game and learns how to stay patient

good thing we have weddle , webb and jefferson lol.

both webb and weddle can play the centre field role and provide help over the top.

jefferson could possibly do that as well.

could see the ravens press the outside receivers before passing them to the safeties giving the opponent very tight windows to fit the ball in while also disrupting any timing and giving the pass rusher a lil bit more time to get there.

with the safeties we have i feel we dont have to worry about the deep ball that much unless we plan on leaving him on an island from the start.
only way i see that happening is if we are again forced to send blitzes to get any kind of pressure.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

good thing we have weddle , webb and jefferson lol.

both webb and weddle can play the centre field role and provide help over the top.

jefferson could possibly do that as well.

could see the ravens press the outside receivers before passing them to the safeties giving the opponent very tight windows to fit the ball in while also disrupting any timing and giving the pass rusher a lil bit more time to get there.

with the safeties we have i feel we dont have to worry about the deep ball that much unless we plan on leaving him on an island from the start.
only way i see that happening is if we are again forced to send blitzes to get any kind of pressure.

I think it creates a lot of opportunities for turnovers. With dean pees defense we can sit the safety 10-15 yards deep, let them read and react, and Humphrey should be able to do what he does best and come downhill without having to worry.

The qb will have no choice but to throw in front of Humphrey because you'd be an idiot to try to squeeze a touch throw in front of a Webb or weddle who is sitting back with time to react, and behind a corner who's covering shallow. You gotta put air under it to get it in that window in between and you just can't put hangtime in a ball in front of our safeties. 

The more you think about it the more this pick makes sense, he just fits and brings us something we have lacked, the ability to stop the underneath quick passes.

[Davesta]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I mocked him to us about a month ago but I changed it to Corey Davis in my latest. I think my smokescreen theory about Davis was right btw, wasn't there talk of the ravens really wanting Davis hours before the draft?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a smokescreen. Nobody expected Corey Davis to go that high. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a smokescreen. Nobody expected Corey Davis to go that high. 

I thought decosta speaking indifferent about Davis was a smokescreen and that we really wanted him at 16

[Purple&Black#20]

9 hours ago, SepticeyePoe said:

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10 Could you guys give a breakdown on Humphrey's strengths and weaknesses? 

Great height, weight and speed. Very physical but lacks ball awareness. 

[BmoreBird22]

I love how people talk about him not turning his head as if it's not coachable.

That's a very rare quality for young corners to have. It's very learned. 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I love how people talk about him not turning his head as if it's not coachable.

That's a very rare quality for young corners to have. It's very learned. 

Humphrey is kinda similar to Marcus Peters too who a lot of people wanted. He's not a bad pick and he plays with a swag similar to Peters without the off the field coaching concerns 

[Tru11]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think it creates a lot of opportunities for turnovers. With dean pees defense we can sit the safety 10-15 yards deep, let them read and react, and Humphrey should be able to do what he does best and come downhill without having to worry.

The qb will have no choice but to throw in front of Humphrey because you'd be an idiot to try to squeeze a touch throw in front of a Webb or weddle who is sitting back with time to react, and behind a corner who's covering shallow. You gotta put air under it to get it in that window in between and you just can't put hangtime in a ball in front of our safeties. 

The more you think about it the more this pick makes sense, he just fits and brings us something we have lacked, the ability to stop the underneath quick passes.

yup exactly just that.

with jefferson and mosley probably taking care of the middle , jimmy and marlon should force receivers to the inside and any pass over the top is for weddle/webb.

all those guys are solid tacklers so  i could see a lot of short gains with little yac.

with jimmy and marlon press ability they could route receivers to where we want them to go.

if we had bad safeties i would be  second guessing this pick but we have 3 of the best so im really not that worried about big plays unless pees goes for all out blitzes all the time orso lol

[Drew P]

Put him in center field