Welcome to Baltimore Marlon Humphrey

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, SepticeyePoe said:

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10 Could you guys give a breakdown on Humphrey's strengths and weaknesses? 

I've seen him called the best corner within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and I'd agree.

Excellent height/weight/speed/length to be a physical press man corner that can blow up screens and outside runs. And he's the best run defending corner in the draft, bar none. He's very aggressive and can hit like a truck.

He recognizes and digests routes well. He makes pretty good breaks on the balls, but will get much better with better footwork. 

He struggles on deep balls. He'll flip his hips too early to defend the deep ball and bites on double moves. Average ball production that should spike with better footwork. Does not turn his head enough at the moment.

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, SepticeyePoe said:

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10 Could you guys give a breakdown on Humphrey's strengths and weaknesses? 

Strengths: Can play multiple schemes and should fit in any type of coverage, very athletic and quick hips despite what people may think, makeup speed is great, physical tackler in the run game and at the LOS, disciplined, aggressive and competitive at all times

Weaknesses: Footwork needs some work, needs to be better at turning and looking for the ball, fears getting beat for the long ball sometimes, athleticism sometimes catches up to him where he gets a little too loose

Edited April 28 by rmw10

[K-Dog]

Sounds like his weaknesses are very coachable.

[SepticeyePoe]

Thanks guys.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, The Raven said:

What do you like about him?

I think it's a great pick overall, but I actually have some questions about how and where he fits. From what I've read, it seems he's a press guy who struggles in off man. I've heard he's not good on the inside. Which makes me wonder where he'll fit. Will Carr slide in? Or will we see if Marlon can do that?

And, is Pees going to commit to a press-heavy coverage philosophy? Last year, it was all about off man and break on the ball. Jimmy's not the bets fit for that type of approach, and if Marlon is a Jimmy-clone as I've read, I wonder how the scheme will adjust. Hopefully it's a lot of bump and run or press bail. From the little I've seen and read, it seems Marlon was born for press bail.

I think Humphrey can play off man. He's got to clean up his footwork and plant and drive a little bit and stop opening his hips so quickly, but he's got excellent route recognition to understand what's going to be coming. He actually masks some of the plant and drive issues by being so smart to understand what the receiver wants to do.

Prototypical press corner. Excellent length and speed to press and recover if beaten. 

He's going to excel in zones where he doesn't have to turn his head too much early. Let him see the play develop, digest the route, and use his length to disrupt the play.

I expect a lot of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 this year with press being the primary look being shown on the outside. The Tampa 2 requires excellent tackling corners and you now have three in Jimmy, Young, and one that can hit like a truck in Humphrey.

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Humphrey can play off man. He's got to clean up his footwork and plant and drive a little bit and stop opening his hips so quickly, but he's got excellent route recognition to understand what's going to be coming. He actually masks some of the plant and drive issues by being so smart to understand what the receiver wants to do.

Prototypical press corner. Excellent length and speed to press and recover if beaten. 

He's going to excel in zones where he doesn't have to turn his head too much early. Let him see the play develop, digest the route, and use his length to disrupt the play.

I expect a lot of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 this year with press being the primary look being shown on the outside. The Tampa 2 requires excellent tackling corners and you now have three in Jimmy, Young, and one that can hit like a truck in Humphrey.

Okay, yeah, that does sound like fitting like a glove. 

This pick, paired with the Carr signing, sets a clear vision to me: gone are the days of the 15 yard cushion. Regardless of the shell, it looks clearly like we're playing at the line and shutting down those easy dump offs the Patriots have killed us with time and time again.

[Deflated Football]

I've seen him compared to Jimmy Smith, DRC and Casey Hayward. Not bad 😎

[Bltravens]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I've seen him called the best corner within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and I'd agree.

Excellent height/weight/speed/length to be a physical press man corner that can blow up screens and outside runs. And he's the best run defending corner in the draft, bar none. He's very aggressive and can hit like a truck.

He recognizes and digests routes well. He makes pretty good breaks on the balls, but will get much better with better footwork. 

He struggles on deep balls. He'll flip his hips too early to defend the deep ball and bites on double moves. Average ball production that should spike with better footwork. Does not turn his head enough at the moment.

This is about what I saw from him in the limited amount of games I watched.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, The Raven said:

Okay, yeah, that does sound like fitting like a glove. 

This pick, paired with the Carr signing, sets a clear vision to me: gone are the days of the 15 yard cushion. Regardless of the shell, it looks clearly like we're playing at the line and shutting down those easy dump offs the Patriots have killed us with time and time again.

I remember watching a lot of games later in the season and I'd notice that the Ravens would press the lesser skilled receivers and give too much respect to receivers that are considered top tier (this was without Jimmy). Like, Wright/Young would press an Eli Rogers or a Hawkins, but would lay off of Brown or Pryor.

I think Humphrey and Carr both bring a mentality of never backing down.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Perhaps Jimmy and Humphrey on the outside and Carr is the slot, with Tavon at no 4. Too early to truly tell but damn I love the fact that we took him, our secondary looks stacked on paper.  And who knows if we find another CB in the later rounds and even another Cary Williams through UFAs. 

[redrum52]

34 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I've seen him called the best corner within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and I'd agree.

Excellent height/weight/speed/length to be a physical press man corner that can blow up screens and outside runs. And he's the best run defending corner in the draft, bar none. He's very aggressive and can hit like a truck.

He recognizes and digests routes well. He makes pretty good breaks on the balls, but will get much better with better footwork. 

He struggles on deep balls. He'll flip his hips too early to defend the deep ball and bites on double moves. Average ball production that should spike with better footwork. Does not turn his head enough at the moment.

Sounds familiar and that guy turned out ok for us...  I'm not mad at the pick at all.  We need physical bodies in the secondary, especially with the backs we need to deal with.  Great size and speed combo and can easily be coached up.  It feels so good to finally say... OUR SECONDARY IS A STRENGTH!

[Cville-Raven]

This secondary man

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I am beyond excited. Humphrey fits like a glove in this defense. I have so much hope that he'll be an excellent pro for so many years to come.

I called this one.

Much love man! Didnt see it comming (especially lately) like you but always loved Marlon. 

[Boddiebroadus]

 just watch the first play

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

I dont understand why we didnt trade back. He probably would have been available at 24 or even 28

No he wouldn't. He was going 18 to Tennessee. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Secondary goes from being the reason we lost to the Pats in '14 and not making the playoffs last year to now the best and deepest group on the team and maybe best unit in the league. 

3 deep with studs at Safety and if Marlon can turn it on early we've got 4 starting caliber CBs. Jimmy a Top 5 guy, Carr one of the better #2's, Tavon the best young slot CB in the game and Humphrey with all the potential in the world. Even if one goes down we can roll out 6 quality DB's. 

 

Real No Fly Zone. And good luck running. This D can be scary good if we get a stud pass rusher round 2.

Get Marlons team mate here stat. 

[rossihunter2]

Something I hadn't even considered but marlon Humphrey spent a lot of his time at bama playing LCB which would fit right in with jimmy on the other side 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

So. I've let the pick sit... I'm doing draft grades. I'm going to be honest.

 

I hate this pick. But I do not hate Marlon Humphrey . 

 

Marlon does a lot of things well. He's very good at breaking on the ball, he's got good instincts. He's a very good player. He was third rated corner, and frankly, I think he has a higher floor than most give him credit for. I think when Jimmy goes down, Humphrey becomes invaluable depth. I eventually think that by mid-season he could be a good starter. He's got a lot of things that I like. Likewise, he could eventually play safety since he's better going towards the ball than he is backpedalling. Overall. Marlon isn't the issue for me. 

 

My issue is passing up on Jonathan Allen. What the hell were we thinking? We trade away a damn good interior rusher when he was on his A game and have one fall right into our laps and we pass on him. Even with those shoulders, I do not understand that.

 

Don't get me wrong. Marlon is more likely than not to become a good player in my eyes. But my god. Freaking Allen was there. Smh Ozzie. What are you doing?

 

overall player grade: B. I think that by mid-season Humphrey gets the starting gig and does a good job. 

 

Overall Grade: F. You get a bonafida stud and pass on him. What was Ozzie thinking?

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So. I've let the pick sit... I'm doing draft grades. I'm going to be honest.

 

I hate this pick. But I do not hate Marlon Humphrey . 

 

Marlon does a lot of things well. He's very good at breaking on the ball, he's got good instincts. He's a very good player. He was third rated corner, and frankly, I think he has a higher floor than most give him credit for. I think when Jimmy goes down, Humphrey becomes invaluable depth. I eventually think that by mid-season he could be a good starter. He's got a lot of things that I like. Likewise, he could eventually play safety since he's better going towards the ball than he is backpedalling. Overall. Marlon isn't the issue for me. 

 

My issue is passing up on Jonathan Allen. What the hell were we thinking? We trade away a damn good interior rusher when he was on his A game and have one fall right into our laps and we pass on him. Even with those shoulders, I do not understand that.

 

Don't get me wrong. Marlon is more likely than not to become a good player in my eyes. But my god. Freaking Allen was there. Smh Ozzie. What are you doing?

 

overall player grade: B. I think that by mid-season Humphrey gets the starting gig and does a good job. 

 

Overall Grade: F. You get a bonafida stud and pass on him. What was Ozzie thinking?

Ozzie can draft DL.  Not many chances we get to select a top CB.  

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, redrum52 said:

Ozzie can draft DL.  Not many chances we get to select a top CB.  

When you get a guy who is as talented as Allen, I don't give a damn what position he plays. Allen is a future difference maker who provides interior pressure. And this is a deep CB class. 

 

Seriously. Words cannot describe how awful the value was. This isn't Ronnie Stanley, who was an elite prospect anyway regardless of what people though. Humphrey is a good  prospect, but Allen was in our laps and we let him slide. And he's gonna make us regret it. 

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

btw..Humphreys is only 20, that's his saving grace but this is a pick for the future..now now. That's what i find ridiculous about this situation. Ok so we lost out on the 3 WR's. OJ howard was as SAFE of a prospect as I;ve seen in years and could help in the run and recieving game. 

 

I wonder if ozzie just tries to do the opposite of what any sane man would do just to look like he's some kind of genius at the end of it all...?

I agree 100%. And if this was a futures pick then y not draft oj Howard and get Jones in round2?? Jones is better than Humphrey and can excel in press off and zone. Humphrey I feel being solid and reliable but not a difference maker. Yet one more serviceable player without any difference makers on this team!!

BTW this being such a deep cornerback draft you can't help but think there are going to be round 3 and round4 cornerbacks outplay round1 cornerbacks. Ozzie does realize there is more to a team then the secondary?? If we were going to take a chance on a cornerback then I would of preferred sign Claiborne for $6mil and save our round1 pick for a difference maker

the offense sucked last year and got worse. Losing Steve Smith and Wagner. Does anybody in the front office realize what will happen if Joe lays an egg again?? After all management gave him that contract the franchise is locked into. Not going to look good if he lays an egg again while missing playoffs yet again. And if the rush regresses again I don't care who is in the secondary. If the rush regresses with Suggs older and Jerney gone the secondary could really struggle.

[allblackraven]

39 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

When you get a guy who is as talented as Allen, I don't give a damn what position he plays. Allen is a future difference maker who provides interior pressure. And this is a deep CB class. 

 

Seriously. Words cannot describe how awful the value was. This isn't Ronnie Stanley, who was an elite prospect anyway regardless of what people though. Humphrey is a good  prospect, but Allen was in our laps and we let him slide. And he's gonna make us regret it. 

Ravens aren't the only team leaving Allen on the board. Those shoulders more likely than not won't last too long.

[Static]

I generally dont like drafting CBs with bad hips but I think everyone realizes that Marlon is a project.

 

Also dont be surprised when he sees time at safety sooner than later in his career. Imagine if Haha Clinton Dix was more aggressive and athletic 

 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

49 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Ravens aren't the only team leaving Allen on the board. Those shoulders more likely than not won't last too long.

Then Take OJ Howard, or David Njoku. Or something along the lines of it! There was better value on the board! We need playmakers. 

 

I'm more pissed off than anything that we YET AGAIN Neglect the offensive side of the ball. Joe isn't superman. He needs help. Mainly on the oline. 

[sflegend89]

People were generally unimpressed with CJ Mosley on draft night, some outright hated the pick. I never forget that when I see knee jerk reactions to draft picks on here. I think Humphrey is going to be a stud once he fills out a little more and matures. I actually think Humphrey is more pro ready than Jimmy was coming out but we won't really see the player he's going to be until year 2 and 3. This guy is an AFCN player, big and physical for his position. I love that he can be a factor in run support and hit. Maybe not the best pure cover corner, but much like Jimmy, if he can get a good jam on you and disrupt the timing of the route he can really cause problems for an offense. We have a very physical secondary and a bunch of corners that can put hands on you at the point of attack.

My only gripe was positional value, there are going to be so many CB's available in round 2 (Wilson, King, Auwuzie, Tabor, Jones), Why not take Allen or Howard because you know another good CB is going to make it to us in the 2nd, the class is stacked with them. I just hope Humphrey separates himself from that pack and proves why he was taken where he was.

Edited April 28 by sflegend89

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

People were generally unimpressed with CJ Mosley on draft night, some outright hated the pick. I never forget that when I see knee jerk reactions to draft picks on here. I think Humphrey is going to be a stud once he fills out a little more and matures. I actually think Humphrey is more pro ready than Jimmy was coming out but we won't really see the player he's going to be until year 2 and 3. This guy is an AFCN player, big and physical for his position. I love that he can be a factor in run support and hit. Maybe not the best pure cover corner, but much like Jimmy, if he can get a good jam on you and disrupt the timing of the route he can really cause problems for an offense. We have a very physical secondary and a bunch of corners that can put hands on you at the point of attack.

My only gripe was positional value, there are going to be so many CB's available in round 2 (Wilson, King, Auwuzie, Tabor, Jones), Why not take Allen or Howard because you know another good CB is going to make it to us in the 2nd, the class is stacked with them. I just hope Humphrey separates himself from that pack and proves we he was taken where he was.

 

 

i liked mosely. 

 

but there is no excuse taking humphrey over Allen Oj howard or R.foster. He plays more like a SS. I know this FO hates guys that actually make plays on the ball and prefer hard hitters but while everyone else here lauds this secondary, I think people are overrating it somewhat.

[MrPlankton]

7 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i liked mosely. 

 

but there is no excuse taking humphrey over Allen Oj howard or R.foster. He plays more like a SS. I know this FO hates guys that actually make plays on the ball and prefer hard hitters but while everyone else here lauds this secondary, I think people are overrating it somewhat.

With Allen, my guess is that the FO doesn't expect the guy's shoulder(s) to hold up over the long run (due to him having arthritis in each). As for Foster and others like him, "thank" Ray Rice because I don't expect the FO to take a chance on any player with character issues for a long, long time.

Edited April 28 by MrPlankton

[Jacquouille]

5 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Sounds like his weaknesses are very coachable.

His weakness are basically what Jimmy corrected last offseason, with the «tennis ball drill».

 

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

His weakness are basically what Jimmy corrected last offseason, with the «tennis ball drill».

 

 

WEAKNESSES

 Impatient from press coverage. Opens inside or outside too early rather than waiting for a clear declare from receiver. Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts. Issues playing the deep ball are a concern. From off coverage, overreacts to route fakes and opens the door to a big play. Allowed more than 19 yards per completion as a starter. Can be slow to locate the ball and finds himself out of optimal position to play the ball.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Round 1

SOURCES TELL US

 "There are some things on tape that really worry you. If he has trouble playing the long ball it is going to be bombs away against him and his team might have to change how they cover because of that. Those issues usually don't go away." -- Scouting director for AFC team

NFL COMPARISON

 Jimmy Smith

BOTTOM LINE

 Talented height-weight-speed prospect who comes from NFL bloodlines. Might need time for his technique to catch up with his traits. Coverage inconsistencies could cause him to struggle against quality competition early on, but his mental makeup and recovery talent should help him pull through. Has the instincts and run-support skills to become an early starter for a zone-cover defense, but it will be hard for teams looking for a lockdown, man corner to pass on all of those physical gifts early in the draft.

 

 

Basically, expect him to be giving up big plays unless we play him in a more limited or specialized role with saftey help.

[RaineV1]

The fact that he has the same weaknesses as Jimmy coming out of college means we can probably fix them even faster.